My honest opinion? yup, worthless.

-sigh-

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...lo#post1724453

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...lo#post1788952

In the second thread, go about 5 posts down and read my spoiler. The open snow levels provide for some great shortcuts since you can get a banshee as well.

Good for Chris Butcher for sucking at his own game. Maybe 20 hours may seem short to you, but I beat Legendary in 6 days at no more than 3-5 hours a day. So 30 hours, tops? Sorry I didn't have a stopwatch to time myself.

Edited to add: I played legendary for the sole purpose of beating the game to see the ending. Since I had already beaten the game on Normal, I didn't explore every crevice of every level. It's possible to blast through many parts of the game and not have to absolutely clear every part. The Library is a great example of this. Because of the slow nature of the Flood, you can sprint from one checkpoint to another if you're properly armed.

I agree. I think I misrepresented myself a bit up there. I agree you should have played a game, for a little while at least, on a standard TV in your home or at a friend's, before stating your opinion on that game.

All I meant was that I know Halo is single-player intensive, I know I don't have broadband so I can't play it online, and I know that it has no bots to play against. That is a problem FOR ME. That's all I was trying to say.

So yes, your opinion about SWRL, while positive, is worthless. By your own criteria too.

Still Very Doubtful. I hope for your sake there is some sort of Halo tournament for cash if you can beat the fellow that programmed the AI.

Give me a break. What do you get from beating legendary that you don't get from beating it on a lower difficulty level? In Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, the higher difficulty levels held more objectives and opened special levels and multiplayer options. In games where there are just more enemies, and they do more damage, I never see much reason to play back through on the hardest levels. The games are usually balanced at the middle level, and too easy on the easy level, and annoyingly hard on the hard level.

It probably took you 36 hours to beat the game on Legendary because you kept getting killed, and having to do the same thing over and over and over. That's not the kind of gameplay I want. On the PC, I usually finish the single player on the default difficulty, and then go straight to the internet. On the console, if the game doesn't have a decent multiplayer, or some other way to make it replayable, I usually trade it in.

Halo is a very good game, but your logic in claiming it as a 100 hour game is pretty silly. It's a 15-20 hour FPS, with a multiplayer mode which has questionable longevity.

Since when are the programmers automatically great at their games?

Whoa, I was going to make a retort on how programmers don't necessarily make them great gamers, but since the poster I was going to respond to is now [banned] for whatever reason, I guess it's moot...

A more intense experience. Stronger AI. A true test of your skills.


Actually he said "Heroic" in 36 hours. And it took me about that long too. It was one of the most fulfulling gaming experiences I've ever had. Once I screwed up and had to go back and replay a few hours again, once I got back into it, I had a lot of fun.

20 hours huh? Baloney. In normal mode yes, Otherwise, hell no.

How fun is it playing against "bots" anyway? That's what the main game is for.

No offense, but I don't buy your legendary time either. You'd have to cheat a lot more than what you did. But let's not rehash that argument. Are you sure you didn't just beat the last level on Legendary?

I think the guy Flay mentioned above is awesome for even getting through this game in Legendary. In 60 hours would be very good.

Scandal, what's your experience with this game that you can judge it so well?

After you beat the game on every difficulty what will you do then?

Bots make it so you by yourself can have a new game experience that is always random, where as the game is never random, it's programed, everything is always going to be in the same place and will always have a programed AI for that instance where in as in a multi player game with bots, they will have a broader AI and be a lot harder than even the enemies on legendary mode if that is what you want to set there diffeculty at.

Another option with bots in PD that Halo is lacking BOTs being number 1, is that you could play a co-op multi with your buddy vs. the bots.

Bots just bring much more to a game, and single player will never make up for them not being included. There is nothing anyone can say that makes up for it.

They should have been in the game period.


ON a side note ... Galent Pig why are you defending Halo so much? Are you saying you would not enjoy bots as they where in PD?

I never played PD. PD didn't invent bots. My first exposure to bots was on QuakeIII. They bored me to death, since I already had a lot of experience playing Quake II Online. I guess that's why I could care less about bots.

I'm defending Halo so much because it's being criticized and attacked by people who don't own it and only played it at Target or whereever. Basically people who don't own the XBox are piling on it here trying to make it look worse than it actually is. Funny nobody does that with games for other systems. Nismo, have you started playing again? Try it on Heroic and see what you think.

But, you see, I haven't dogged the single player. I have dogged the lack of options ingame and in multi. So I don't know why the conversation is continuing.

The single player is top notch, however i feel that, without more options in game and in multi the game dose not feel complete, it almost feels like the multi is still in beta.(options wise)

There's like only 8 weapons. And the vehicles to me are just silly. if I was playing multi and I know I'm good at shooting you on foot and then you run me over with a warthog? Where is the skill in that?

There's like only 8 weapons. And the vehicles to me are just silly. if I was playing multi and I know I'm good at shooting you on foot and then you run me over with a warthog? Where is the skill in that?


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Right, but now imagine you have a rocket launcher Or are in a tank. Or you have a sniper rifle and get some space between you and the warthog. It can be pretty fun.

If you notice this thread, I agreed right with joshhinkle that the multiplayer isn't the be all and all of gaming experiences, but it was pretty good. Not great. The game shines in first player mode. I don't disagree with that at all. I do disagree with ScandalUMN or Daven-X (neither who own an X-Box) who comes in here and blasts the game as a mere 20 hour firstplayer experience. It's so much more than that. I guess Geoff or somebody should close it since everything has been said.

I never said the game wasn't a great single player experience. Quite the opposite. The only thing I have said over and over is that as a consumer, as a player of video games, I feel the lack of good multiplayer for those without internet access and friends who have the time to come over seems to be lacking because there is no option to "play against the computer."

I know you play the computer in the single player mode, but I enjoy playing against bots, I enjoy the "randomness" of deathmatches and "capture the flag" games. I throw Unreal Tournament in my PC and play "Overlord" all the time. I like playing against bots. That's all I was trying to say.

Wow. Everybody needs to breathe deeply in this thread and chill out...

Well color me shocked!

I didn't judge the game. I merely judged the assertion that playing the game on a harder difficulty level adds to the value.

I don't know what the difficulty levels are in Halo. If "Normal" is the game's easiest difficulty level, I agree that people shouldn't play it.

I play games at whatever the default difficulty level is. Usually that's where the learning curve is set. A good game shows you the ropes at the beginning, and gives you a good challenge towards the end. Usually, games are balanced this way at the default difficulty level.

I don't think a difficulty toggle adds worthwhile play value to a video game.

Its not. Theres an Easy setting as well. Normal is the default setting.

Actually, the AI in Halo is such that the aliens will react differently every time around. They won't always act the way you expect them to. Smart aliens -- even the little buggers.

Tuan Jim

also the aliens are in different places when you try at different times.

Good to see Flay go from banned to suspended. I can feel his pain as a strongly opinionated person myself, and I don't think he should have been banned for expressing his strong beliefs (if this discussion was indeed part of the reason that he was banned)... Perhaps Frank Black and THX 1138 retrials?

I originally decided not to post in this thread a few days ago, but now that it's gotten way out of hand I want to add a little something.
Many of you take feedback from others to heart. That's great. That's what these forums are for. You read the opinions of others and provide your own. That's all they are -- OPINIONS. Because of that, these topics end up getting nowhere.
I myself am guilty of getting involved in heated debates based purely on personal opinions.

Now, to keep this topic on track:
I too would have liked to see bots available in the Multiplayer aspect of this game and I think it would add to the replay value tremendously. But I can live with the fact that we can't have everything.
If you purchased a game and are unhappy with a certain aspect of it, tough luck. Should've rented first.
If the game has parts you liked and disliked, then try writing to the game programmers/developers because nothing will change by complaining in these forums. But perhaps you'll see changes in future releases. (This is how Neversoft works. They have tailored the Tony Hawk series from feedback and look where it got them).

With a game like Halo, you have to understand that it is a single story mode game first, multiplayer game second. For gamers that enjoy multiplayer, that's why Tribes 2, Unreal Tournament, Quake III, and so forth are programmed. The Xbox will get it's fair share of these type of games. Just hang in there.

All games I have played have an area that can be improved even in the slightest, but I enjoy them nonetheless. Seriously think about this. Have you really EVER played the PERFECT game? Because if you did, that would be the game to play forever. The answer is the perfect game doesn't exist.

The bottomline:

You can't satisfy everyone. Deal with it.

I don't know Centurion, the original Legend of Zelda and LoZ: A Link To the Past, are two perfect games, in my opinion. I've searched long and hard, and can't find a single flaw with them. I will play them forever in a sense, because they are too good to neglect forever. Everything else I agree with...

For those of you who have beaten Halo:

Is it pretty safe to assume we will be seeing a sequel? The ending pretty much left it wide open.