Filmjester

I am a HUGE X-Box fan and supporter and I have been going to biased forums and would like to know for sure. What you think.

Thunderball

I think it will. The XBox is up against the industry powerhouse(Sony) and the fan favorite(nintendo), and with the $300 price tage...it's a bit too steep for those already invested in a PS2.

Jackskeleton

i think we have to wait to see the release titles and the games that will come out. it shows promise. and even though its up against two power houses, Nintendo of course will be the winner of this fight, but it seems like sony is being to cocky. l

Keyser Soze

yes.

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Jacko

Microsoft has a five year plan and a couple of billion dollars to invest in the X-Box. Time and money is on their side.

The first verison of anything Microsoft does is lackluster. But, they hang in there and eventually become the industry leader.

In three years, Microsoft's whatever box will be #1.

mmconhea

These are not my reasons, as I am quite interested in the X-box, but these are some of the primary arguments I have seen around the net while doing my research of the industry.

-Reasons why the X-box will fail:
-Lack of Powerful 1st party franchises
-Lack of experience in industry
-Lack of Support from Japanese and Asian Gamers
-Size of system (Japan)
-Too close to a computer (same problems as a PC)
-Controller design is non-ergnomic
-Piracy is expacted to be rampant as the technology is almost identicle to PC technology
-Microsoft's reputation among gamers.
-Loyalty towards Nintendo.
-Lack of funds for gamers that have already purchased Competing Systems (PS2)
-Saturated Market
-Price point
-Ease of use (expected to be more complicated for a younger audience.
-Installation, disk space and loading issues presented by a hard drive.
-Emphasis on highbandwidth network gaming, when the majority of the gaming public is not at that point yet.
-Bill Gates is ugly (I've seen this one so many times)
-Nintendo's connecting GBA and GameCube offers expanded gameplay benefits.
-Too Complicated.
-Not ready for a new technology.
-Loyalty towards Sony

Josh H

I don't think it will "fail", but I do think it will be the least popular of the next-gen systems. The launch will probably be less than stellar as a lot of the hype for X-Box, especially in the gaming media, died down after the poor E3 showing, and Gamecube's took off. Plus, IMO, the X-Box game line-up looks pretty crappy compared to PS2 and Gamecube, especially when comparing games that will be exclusives.

CKMorpheus

I feel it'll be the next Sega Saturn

Feneant

It won't fail, it should make the Gamecube fail if we're lucky though, i'd kill to see Nintendo go out of business to real companies can put out their products and get a bigger share of the market.

IIG

Oh yeah, I agree all the way. Let's get Nintendo out of the picture, so real video game companies can continue to push their DVD/Videogame Console hybrids...

X Box is failing folks, and it won't be a pretty sight when the king is absolutely thrown from his high hill. Goodbye Mr. Gates!

Trigger

[whine voice]"X-box is gonna fail" "Bill Gates is stupid" "I hate Microsoft because they are a large company" "whaaaaahh"[/whine]



My friend has a PS2 and there are no good games for it... I haven't seen anything (and we've rented pretty much everything available) worth a crap and it's been out for half a year now. We played Gran Tourismo 3 last night and I didn't see anything new. Same tracks - same graphics (only slightly improved IMHO) and nothing really revolutionary - it seemed rushed. Overall - I think PS2 sucks and I wouldn't buy it if it was $100 and the games were $9 each (but that's getting close to what I think it's worth). I think it's funny how people are so loyal to Sony because Microsoft is this giant evil corporation, but Sony is even worse than Microsoft. Playstation 2 launched with like 4 crappy titles or something. X-Box is set to launch with a ton of awesome games available. I don't know - I've never been tempted to buy a console system until the X-Box. I've never owned any consoles besides the Atari 2600, but I've played them all and haven't been impressed enough to buy. I don't think the X-Box will fail - I think it will surprise alot of people by delivering a superior product with superior games. Just my opinion.

Jeremy517

Fail? Perhaps, perhaps not. But if they want to make it, they have a LONG way to go, based on the games that I played one month ago. Considering they haven't produced even one system yet, the road gets even longer if they hope to make their 500,000 units by November.

Aghama

Trigger, What are X-Box's big exclusive launch titles?

DOA3 - *yawn*
Halo - I'll get it on PC, if at all
Oddworld - Will probably be good, but a system seller?

That's tempting you to buy your first console in 20 years? Just wait for the inevitable PC ports.

Filmjester

Are all of you Nintendo fans who have yet to play the X-Box? Have any of you played it? Did any of you go to E3?

"Ohh its microsoft, I hate microsoft", or is it bill gates you hate so much? You must have Mac or Lynix to be so anti-microsoft. The X-Box is going to slaughter the competition, Gamecube is a childs play thing! And the PS2 needs a decent game to get gamers attention. Sony has about 2.5x the amount of money microsoft has and yet no one is anti Sony.
You want a list of X-Box games?
You got em!
4x4 Evo 2 Racing Terminal Reality Gathering of Developers Q4, 2001
A.I Chaser Racing Microsoft Microsoft Q4, 2001
A.I Fighter (working title) Fighting Microsoft Microsoft Q4, 2001
Airforce Delta Storm Action Konami Corporation Konami Q4, 2001
All-Star Baseball 2003 Sports Acclaim Entertainment Acclaim Entertainment
Amped: Freestyle Snowboarding Sports Microsoft Microsoft Q4, 2001
Antz Racing Racing Empire Interactive Light and Shadow Production
Aquanox Adventure Massive Development Fishtank Interactive Fall 2001
Arctic Thunder Racing Midway Entertainment Midway
Armada 2: Exodus Shooter Metro 3D Metro 3D TBA
Azurik: Rise of Perathia Action Adrenium Microsoft Fall 2001
Batman: Vengeance Action Ubi Soft Entertainment Q4 2001
Battlefield: 1942 First Person Shooter Digital Illusions Electronic Arts Q4, 2001
Black and White RPG LionHead Studios 2002
Blademasters Action/RPG Ripcord games
Blood Wake Action Stormfront Studios Microsoft Q4, 2001
Bounty Hunter FPS / Space Sim Warthog Crave Entertainment
Brain Box Strategy Capcom Capcom
Breed Action Brat Designs Q4, 2001
Broken Sword 3 Adventure Revolution Software 2002
Bruce Lee: QFTD Action Ronin Entertainment Microsoft Q4, 2001
Brute Force Action/Adventure Digital Anvil Microsoft TBA
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Action/Adventure Collective Fox Interactive
Call of Cthulhu - Dark Corners Survival/Horror Headfirst Productions Fishtank Interactive Q4, 2001
Call of the Dragonfly Action/RPG Lost Boys Interactive 2002
Cel Damage Racing Pseudo Interactive Electronic Arts Fall 2001
Celestial Realms Adventure Grand Studios Fat Tuna
Championship Manager 4 Sports Sports Interactive Eidos Interactive 2002
Chase
Colin McRae Rally X Racing Codemasters Software Company Codemasters
Conflict: Desert Storm Action Pivotal Games SCi 2002
COPS: Too Hot for TV Adventure Mass Media Fox Interactive TBA
CORE Action Unique Development Studios CDV Software 2003
Crash Bandicoot X Adventure Traveller's Tales Konami
Crazy Car Championship Racing Synaptic Soup Fall 2001
Crazy Taxi Next Racing Hitmaker Sega 2001
Crimson Sea Strategy Koei Co Koei Co 2002
Crimson Skies Action/Adventure Microsoft Microsoft
D.O.U.B.L.E. Steal Action Bunkasha Publishing Co. Bunkasha Publishing Co.
Dark Angel: Vampire Apocalypse Action/RPG Metro 3D Metro 3D
Dark Summit Sports Radical Entertainment THQ November 2001
Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2 Sports Z-AXIS Acclaim Entertainment
David Beckham Soccer Sports Rage Software Rage Q2, 2002
Dead or Alive 3 Fighting Tecmo, Ltd. Tecmo, Ltd. Q4, 2001
Dead to Rights Action Namco Namco
Dino Crisis 3 Action Capcom Capcom
Divine Divinity Action/RPG Larian Studios CDV Software Q4, 2001
Doom 3 First Person Shooter id Software Activision 2002/2003
Downforce Sports SmartDog Titus
Dragon's Lair 3D Adventure Dragonstone Software Ubi Soft Entertainment Q4, 2001
DroneZ Action Zetha GameZ
Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Action/RPG Bethesda Softworks EON Digital Fall, 2001
Elite 4 Space Sim Frontier Development
Enclave Action Starbreeze Studios Conspiracy Entertainment Q2, 2002
End Game Action Empire Interactive Spring 2002
Engalus First Person Shooter Crytek Studios
eRacer Racing Rage Software Rage Q2, 2002
ESPN NBA 2Night2 Sports Konami Corporation Konami Q4 2001
ESPN NFL 2Night2 Sports Konami Corporation Konami Q4 2001
Fatherdale RPG Snowball
Fellowship of the Ring Action/Adventure Whole Experience Sierra Studios 2002
Fuzion Frenzy Puzzle Blitz Games Microsoft Q4, 2001
Galleon Action Confounding Factor Interplay Q4 2001
Genma Onimusha Action/Adventure Capcom Capcom
Ghost Recon Action Red Storm Entertainment Ubi Soft Entertainment 2002
Giants (working title) Action Planet Moon Interplay
Goblin Quest Adventure Kodiak Fall 2002
Good Cop Bad Cop Action Revolution Software 2002
Gorkamorka Racing Ripcord games
Grand Theft Auto 3 Action DMA Design Rockstar Games
Gun Metal Action Rage Software Rage Q1, 2002
Gun Valkyrie Action Smilebit Sega Q4, 2001
Halo First Person Shooter Bungie Microsoft Q4, 2001
Harry Potter Adventure EA Games Electronic Arts
Heaven and Hell Strategy MadCat Interactive CDV Software 2002
House of the Dead 3 Shooter Wow Entertainment Sega 2001
Hunter: The Reckoning Action/Adventure High-Voltage Software Interplay 2002
Infiltrator: Shadow Wars MMORPG Orbital Frog
Inline Skating Sports Rage Software Rage Q4 2002
Internal Affairs Other Attention to Detail 2002
Isle of Man T.T. Racing Jester Interactive
Jackie Chan Adventures Action Encore Software Sony Pictures
James Bond Action/Adventure EA Games Electronic Arts
Jet Set Radio Future Action Smilebit Sega Q4, 2001
Jikkyou World Soccer 2001 Sports Konami Corporation Konami
Jonny Drama Action/Adventure Sierra Studios Sierra Studios Winter 2001
Judge Dredd First Person Shooter Rebellion Q4 2002
Jurassic Park X Action/Adventure Konami
Kabuki Warriors Fighting Crave Entertainment Crave Entertainment November 2001
Kleaners First Person Shooter Argonaut Games
Knights Other Lost Boys Interactive SWING! Entert@inment Media 2002
Knockout Kings 2002 Sports Black Ops Entertainment Electronic Arts
Last Ninja: The Return Action/Adventure Studio 3 Interactive Q4, 2002
Loons: The Fight For Fame Adventure Infogrames Infogrames Q4, 2002
Lotus Challenge Racing Kuju Entertainment 2002
Mad Dash Racing Crystal Dynamics Eidos Interactive November 8, 2001
Madden NFL 2002 Sports EA Sports Electronic Arts Q4, 2001
Maelstrom FPS / Space Sim Virgin Interactive
Magides Fight Action Takuyo Kougyo Co. Fall 2001
Malice: A Dark and Fiery Comic Action/Adventure Argonaut Games Fall, 2001
Master Slave Action/RPG Takuyo Kougyo Co. Winter 2001
Matrix Action Shiny Entertainment Interplay Fall 2001
Max Payne Action Remedy Entertainment Take-Two Interactive Fall 2001
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault First Person Shooter 2015 Electronic Arts
Metal Dungeon RPG Panther Software
Metal Gear Solid X Action Konami Corporation Konami
Mission Impossible: 2 Action Infogrames
Mouse Adventure Action/Adventure Media Vision Late 2001/ early 2002
MX 2002 Sports THQ THQ
Myst III: Exile Puzzle MIPIC Ubi Soft Entertainment
Nascar Heat Racing Monster Games Infogrames
Nascar Thunder 2002 Racing Tiburon Entertainment Electronic Arts
NBA 2K2 Sports Sega Sega 2002
NBA Inside Drive 2002 Sports Microsoft Dec 2001
NBA Live 2002 Sports EA Sports Electronic Arts Dec 2002
Neverland Saga Other Idea Factory
New Legends Action Infinite Machine THQ Fall, 2001
NFL 2K2 Sports Sega Sega 2002
NFL Blitz '02 Sports Midway Entertainment Midway Q4, 2001
NFL Quarterback Club 2002 Sports Acclaim Entertainment Acclaim Entertainment
NHL 2002 Sports EA Sports Electronic Arts Dec 2001
NHL Hitz 2002 Sports Midway Entertainment Midway Winter 2001
Nightcaster Action/Adventure VR1 Entertainment Microsoft Fall, 2001
No One Lives Forever (Sequel) First Person Shooter Monolith Productions Fox Interactive
Nomads Other CDV Software
Obi-Wan Action Lucas Arts Lucas Arts Fall 2001
Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee Adventure Oddworld Microsoft Fall, 2001
Orchid Action Argonaut Games
Outlaw Golf Sports Simon & Schuster Interactive Simon & Schuster Interactive 2002
Ozzy's Black Skies Action iRock Interactive
Panzer Dragoon Shooter Smilebit Sega Q4, 2001
Pirates of Skull Cove Adventure Westwood Studios Electronic Arts 2002
Power Smash 2 Sports Hitmaker Sega
Project ABC Space Sim 3000AD, Inc. Late 2001/ early 2002
Project Ego Action/RPG Big Blue Box Microsoft 2002
Project Gotham Racing Bizarre Creations Microsoft Q4, 2001
Project K-X (working title) Action Dream Publishing Microsoft Fall 2001
Race of Champions Racing Climax Group Activision 2002
Rally Championship Extreme Racing Warthog Activision
Rally Trophy Racing JoWood March 2002
Rayman M Adventure Ubi Soft Entertainment Ubi Soft Entertainment
Ricochet Rick Flying Titus
Robin Hood: DOTC Other Cinemaware Spring 2002
Rocky Fighting Rage Software Rage 2002
Runebrid RPG Takuyo Kougyo Co. Fall 2001
Salt Lake City 2002 Sports Attention to Detail Eidos Interactive 2002
Sega GT 2002 Racing Wow Entertainment Sega
Seraphim Action/Adventure Valkyrie Studios Q4, 2001
Sgt. Cruise Action Titus Interactive Titus Q2 2003
Shrek Adventure Digital Illusions TDK Mediactive Fall, 2001
Silent Hill 2 Survival/Horror Konami Corporation Konami 2001
Silent Space Strategy Crytek Studios
Simpsons: Road Rage Racing Fox Interactive Fox Interactive
Spyro The Dragon Action/Adventure Universal Interactive Studios
SSX: Tricky Racing EA Sports Electronic Arts
Star Wars Starfighter: SE Shooter Lucas Arts Lucas Arts Fall 2001
Stung! Action/Adventure Prey Digital Studios
Style Laboratory Other Watermarks
Superman Action Infogrames 2002
Test Drive Racing Pitbull Syndicate Infogrames Q4, 2001
Test Drive: Off Road Racing Angel Studios Infogrames Winter 2001
Tetris World Puzzle THQ THQ Fall, 2001
The Devil Inside Action/Adventure Cryo Take-Two Interactive
The Druid King Action/Adventure Sidhe Interactive
The Thing Survival/Horror Computer Artworks Universal Interactive Studios TBA
The Weakest Link Other Activision Activision
Thunderstrike III Action Core Design Eidos Interactive Late 2001
Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf Sports EA Sports Electronic Arts
Title Defense Sports Climax Group Climax 2001
Tomb Raider Action/Adventure Core Design Eidos Interactive
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 X Sports Treyarch Activision Q4, 2001
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 Sports Neversoft Entertainment Activision 2002
Toxic Bunny 2 Action/Adventure Twilyt Productions 2002
TransWorld Skateboarding Sports Barking Dog Studios Infogrames Q1, 2002
TransWorld Snowboarding Sports Housemarque Infogrames Q1, 2002
TransWorld Surf Sports Angel Studios Infogrames Q1, 2002
Triangle Again Adventure MIG Entertainment Production-IG
Trophy Bass 5 Sports Dynamix Sierra Studios
Tyco R/C Racing Mattel Interactive Mattel Interactive Fall 2001
Ultimate Blade of Darkness Action Rebel Act
Unholy Action/Adventure OtherWorlds Interactive Late 2001
Unreal Championship Action Digital Extremes Infogrames Spring 2002
USS Antarctica Action/Adventure DarkWorks Studios
V.I.P. Action Kalisto Entertainment
Warzone Online Strategy Paradox Entertainment Fall, 2001
Wiggles Strategy Innonics Q4, 2001
Worms World Party Strategy Virgin Interactive
WWF: Raw is War Sports Anchor THQ Q4, 2001
X-Games Snowboarding Sports Konami Corporation Konami
X-Isle First Person Shooter Crytek Studios Fall, 2001
Xavier Fox: The Lost City Adventure Vision Games
XIII Action/Adventure Ubi Soft Entertainment Ubi Soft Entertainment
Yager Action Yager Development THQ Fall, 2001

The only thing sadder then being a Gamecube fan and wanting to buy a gamecube, is being a gamecube fan and wanting to buy it without actually playing it.

Im sorry should I have just said, "BUMP"?

spacecowboy1

If you think the PS2 launch lineup was successful, you're a fool. Even Sony and their die hard fans acknowledge that the PS2 launch was a near, if not total disaster w/ lack of consoles and quality titles.

And regardless of what some of you want to think, there is room for 3 successful consoles. I bet that some of you would love a one-console world where games are mediocre and priced thru the roof. I hope that most of you who spew forth this drivel of one console "winning" and the other "failing" are senseless teenagers who have nothing better to do w/ their time, that would explain the lack of common sense that some of you reflect in your childish posts.

Keep in mind that YOU are not what drives the console gaming market. If there is a winner, or a loser, it will be decided by the masses AFTER legitimate hands on experience and/or reviews w/ all 3 consoles. Personally, I like what XBOX will be bringing to the table. But guess what??? I will most likely buy 2 of 3 of the systems because I can afford it! Face it, some of you are upset because there is now a CHOICE of consoles to satisy everyone's gaming needs, and it bothers some of you that there is the possibility of you making in your eyes the WRONG choice and having to live w/ your decision a long time because of the money that you invested in your choice.

Granted, it would be so much easier if there was only one superior console that everyone could identify as "the one to get" such as a PS vs. N64 scenario. In that scenario, the hands down, obvious choice was the PS, and that's what everyone bought. Right now, XBOX is in the same position that Sony was once in and regardless of what some of you are trying hard to convince yourselves of, XBOX WILL NOT FAIL! People outside of the gaming forums such as this one are excited about XBOX and are anxious to see what it can do. Gaming forums are not an accurate barometer of how a system will do. Product identification, marketing, and the appeal of the masses is what will launch XBOX into the spotlight just like it did Sony - when many of YOU wondered what they were thinking by trying to compete w/ Nintendo. Sony changed gaming forever and took it to a new level. XBOX stands poised to do similar things (at least it promises to).

My parting words to you all is: If you can't afford more than one system (understandable), do yourself a favor and buy based on the GAMES that appeal to you and stop playing the "system" wars. And to the childish, brand loyal whiners........GROW UP!!!!!!

spacecowboy1

Way to show 'em Filmjester!!!!! If you play the games and not the system, WHAT IS THERE NOT TO LIKE ABOUT XBOX???

Filmjester

I agree, but its not simply that people can't afford more then one system, they just don't want to invest in the wrong one.
I honestly plan to buy an X-Box first, and if Metroid or Zelda are any good a Gamecube. It seems to me theres always been three systems and companys involved.

spainlinx0

Always three? To me the first big battle was only a duel between Sega and Nintendo. Atari really never had any competition and it still managed to blow that. I admit, I AM biased towards Nintendo, but I will probably purchase all three consoles because no matter what company I prefer, I still want to be able to have access to what games third parties will produce.

jingoro

A big reason I think it'll fail is the total apathy shown by the Japanese game developers, and japanese game consumers. The majority of games out there are developed by Japanese companies, and the Japanese video game industry is huge, easily surpassing the US. The Japanese also tend to be very nationalistic, and will support their own country's companies than foreigners'.

Jeremy517

As I mentioned in my post, yes I have played X-Box. I've played multiple games by multiple companies. I played them a while after E3. I'm definitely not anti-MS. I think Win2k is the best OS I've ever used. I've got at least 4 of their gaming titles on PC.

That being said, MS has a LONG way to go. They have yet to produce one unit that will be sold in stores, and they expect to have 500,000 units delivered to stores by November 1st? With the exception of Oddworld, every game I played was very below average. That goes beyond "simple" things like framerate that might be cleaned up before release. I'm talking about things that, given the timeline, can't be fixed by release date.

On a seperate note, calling Gamecube a child's play thing is silly and pretty much contradicts many of the points that you were trying to make about playing things before you judge, looking at screenshots, and looking at the lists of titles.

Speaking of titles...how many of those titles that you listed do you think will be exclusive to X-Box?

Josh H

Plus, when you grow up and get a life you don't have time to play games on a bunch of systems like when you were a kid/teenager. I think the X-box will do fine, but I won't considering buying one, and I'm not getting a PS2 either. It looks like most of the big third party games will be on all three systems. Leaving only first and second party games as exclusives. IMO Nintendo has a huge advantage in this area. No exclusives on PS2 or X-box will compare to Mario, Luigi, Wave Race, Mario Kart, Zelda, Metroid, Perfect Dark, Banjo, Donkey Kong and all the other Rare games. Since I only have the time and money to invest in one next-gen system I'm going with the Gamecube because of these exclusives. It will get most of the big third party games to, with the exception of square, which I don't really care about since FF has went downhill since FFIII. Plus FF is going online after X and I hate online games.

Filmjester

Microsoft is sinking so much money into this, there won't be a shortage, and if there is it will because they want one. Sony is one of the most powerfull companys in the world. Do you really belive that the PS2 shortage was an accident??? The gamecube is a childs toy, aren't you sick of finding coins, or bannanas, or batterys, or any other stupid treasure hunt type of game? It got old fast, and Luigis Manshion is like that. Most of the games are cute little characters, and while I don't mind the occasional Mario Kart, the tend to make too many too often. Phantasy Star Online, Metroid, Mario Kart, and if done right Zelda are going to be games that sell the system. Companys don't sell the system, games do.

And as for that "Lets give all the bugs to Japan" crap, what are you some kinda racist? There are a few Japanese supporters who are backing up Microsoft, that's why there are games like Metal Gear Solid X on it. Capcom is supporting them as well.

HE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU!! TURN AROUND!

Breakfast with Girls

Dude, that is not cool.

Michael T Hudson

Well I have a DC and a PS2 and will have a GC and Xbox next to those when they come out. No reason to miss out on good games.

jingoro

All the Japanese software developers have announced limited game support for the Xbox. They are not bringing that many games over at all... for example, look at the number and percentage of games that are made by japanese developers that are coming out for the xbox, and compare that with the PS2 or gamecube. Huge difference.