So basically what you're saying is that despite the fact that they're joining this generation late and despite the fact that after a poor E3 showing, critics are already doubting them tremendously, Microsoft is PURPOSEFULLY going to create a shortage of X-Boxes? Do you know how silly that sounds? They've produced 0 systems so far and have promised 500,000 delivered to stores by November. With people already questioning their ability to put out a competetive system, they aren't going to purposefully anything else to write about.

If you're still calling Gamecube a "kiddie" system, obviously you haven't taken your own advice and actually looked and played the games. And if you haven't spent time looking at the other systems, how do you feel that you can make a proper opinion about any of them?

Your last comment about games selling systems...well duh. Of course. That being said, which game is going to sell X-Box? Of all the X-Box games that I've played, the only one that is anywhere near being a good game is Oddworld. Of that entire list of games that you posted, how many of those titles are EXCLUSIVE to X-Box? The games that are on every system aren't going to persuade someone to get one system over another, and X-Box certainly doesn't have enough exclusive titles yet to carry the system.

I don't know for sure if X-Box is goign to succeed or if any system is going to succeed. However if you're going to try to sell a system, at least get some valid arguments and try to learn some facts about the systems that are in competition with the system that you're selling.

Of course, the bundling crap they're trying to push can't help things.

"So basically what you're saying is that despite the fact that they're joining this generation late and despite the fact that after a poor E3 showing, critics are already doubting them tremendously, Microsoft is PURPOSEFULLY going to create a shortage of X-Boxes?"

Microsoft won't have a shortage of X-boxs, unless they want to. Every studied economics? I am guessing your about 12, am I right? Sony wanted to create demand, its the simply law of supply and demand.

"They've produced 0 systems so far and have promised 500,000 delivered to stores by November."
You think Microsoft doesn't have any systems built? Ever been to Redmond, Washington? Check out Microsofts building and count how many X-Boxs they have just in the buildings.


"they aren't going to purposefully anything else to write about."

I can't understand what you are trying to say

"If you're still calling Gamecube a "kiddie" system, obviously you haven't taken your own advice and actually looked and played the games. And if you haven't spent time looking at the other systems, how do you feel that you can make a proper opinion about any of them? "

Actually when I went to E3, something you probably aren't alloud to go to, but I hope the magazine helps! I spent four days playing the Gamecube and the X-Box. The Gamecube controller is a pain and out of the four or five games you can play there I played two, Luigis Manshion, and Super Smash Bros Melee. The games were horrible, Luigis Manshion looked great, but it was another search for the coins type, and Smash Bros was just a better looking version then the first. I spent some time playing the X-Box, GBA, and Gamecube. The X-Box had more games, and better games. I.E. HALO, even Ps2 and GC fans agree this game was great, Oddworld, New Legends, Mad Dash, DOA, etc...The X-Box had more playable games then the Gamecube and Gameboy Advance combined.
"Your last comment about games selling systems...well duh. Of course. That being said, which game is going to sell X-Box?"

Name a game that won't sell the system. That you have played.

"Of that entire list of games that you posted, how many of those titles are EXCLUSIVE to X-Box? The games that are on every system aren't going to persuade someone to get one system over another, and X-Box certainly doesn't have enough exclusive titles yet to carry the system. "

Oddworld, DOA3, etc..

"I don't know for sure if X-Box is goign to succeed or if any system is going to succeed. However if you're going to try to sell a system, at least get some valid arguments and try to learn some facts about the systems that are in competition with the system that you're selling."

Who needs facts when you got a mouth like yours?

What facts have I posted that are incorect? Other then them only having 5 launch games?


Obviously this forum is biased by a bunch of gaycube fans, who have yet to play the system, oops I mean gamecube fans.

Seriously have you played the X-Box or Gamecube?

In reply to the bundle forum, you save about 80 bucks if you buy a bundle, but if you don't want to buy it seprate.

Are you just trying to pick a fight, or what? First you call someone a racist, then you insult someone's age. That's not how it works... besides, this is a game system... not exactly something to get worked up over.

Nevermind, Filmjester. I'm not going to discuss this any more. Its obvious you're just trolling and not interested in actually listening to what people have to say. Otherwise you wouldn't STILL be saying 5 launch titles for Gamecube, despite the number of times people have replied and told you otherwise (and in some cases, posted release lists).

Go troll elsewhere.

He admitted he was wrong about the 5 launch titles comment - and he probably was just saying it for effect. I don't know how many launch titles PS2 had, but it wasn't alot - and none of them were worth a sh** (IMHO), so might as well have been NONE. I don't think he's trolling - he's just frustrated with people not listening to what he's saying and then simply throwing out the same argument. He's making very valid points. True - it's just a game system - not something to get worked up over... but I think people are getting worked up over the fact that people aren't listening to each other and are just saying stupid sh**.

The guy went to E3 and played these consoles first hand, so his experience is alot more valuable than most of yours (since you haven't played either)... You don't have to share his opinion, but at least respect the fact that he's had experience with these systems and you haven't. It's like if your friend went to see a movie and you asked him how it was - he tells you it was good and you just argue with him that it sucked (even though you never saw it).

If anything - I think this whole thread is a Troll because it's kinda knocking a console that many people are interested in. I'd be interested to see if this same poll would have different results if the title was "Will the X-Box Succeed?"

I personally agree that Nintendo systems have always been geared more towards little kids than for adults. Never appealed to me. I might just get a Dreamcast when the price drops to 50 bucks and the games are all ten bucks. I don't know how often I'd play with it. If I ever do.

My money will be going to the X-Box.

I played both systems at E3.

I liked the gamecube and thought the graphics were amazing and still do. But it was the same old nintendo in my opinion. You Walk through a door then find this, find that, jump, duck, same old BS. I liked that when i was 12-13. I also found the controller weird and I didn't like the feel of it.

The X-Box I thought had unbelievable graphics. I played quite a few X-Box games at E3 and was blown away again and again. Even the games that were just previews and not playable were sweet. I didn't like this controller either. I thought the buttons would be easier to distinguish. but that is something that becomes second nature after hours of playing.

Overall X-Box seems to be the better choice for me.

Oh yeah, no trolling going on here...

It usually helps to actually read the thread before posting belligerent responses.

I grew up playing Nintendo and then the Super NES, but I was unaware that so many people favored nintendo after the N64 which I though sucked. I am sure this was due mainly to me owning a PS1 at the time. No doubt they can make some of the best 1st party games but they are a bit immature at times. Also I do not think any of the three will bomb as Sega has the past two systems. I think there is room for 3 systems now. Although the major competiotn will be between Xbox and PS2 not because they are the best but they have the most incommon with each other. The Gamecube appeals to a different crowd, well the majority of the sales will. And someone stated earlier that th PS2 launched sucked due to its games.... Well that is true but it didnt really matter at that time since the dreamcast was the only system out. And now PS2 has over 10 million units sold and looking to sell 20 million before xbox sells 1 million. So in short the Xbox needs a strong start. or it could be in trouble!

Just felt the need to share that!

Josh

Obviously you didn't bother to read any of my posts either or else you would know that I HAVE played X-Box. Numerous times, many different games. My experience wasn't limited to a show where you get to play games for a few minutes before having to pass controllers on to other people. Living 10 minutes from MS and knowing tens of people that work at MS has its advantages sometimes. Thank you for contributing, though.

Really, You know people at Microsoft and yet your still a Gamecube fan, huh. So do you know what Dante is?

And the X-Box and Gameplaying wasn't limited in minutes, but days.

I am seriously asking how old are you, if you don't mind.

Lets try to keep this a valid argument and not bashing.

The X-Box cant fail, Microsoft and their unlimited advertising budget will not let it fail.

You think what Sony did was on purpose? They obviously didn't study their supply and demand graphs then. The only thing they did to themselves, IF THEY PURPOSEFULLY CUT SUPPLY, was HURT sales, because people who wanted to purchase the system couldn't. And you're also not following the rules because you're leaving price out of the whole issue. The only reason to cut supply is to increase demand so you can RAISE THE PRICE. The only way you paid more for a PS2 was if you bought it on Ebay when they were in short supply. And Sony doesn't get more money because you wasted 1000 dollars on Ebay or 300 dollars in the store. So please, let's leave the supply and demand discussion out of this. They may have cut supply to increase awareness, but who cares if people know the system is out, and can't buy it. A stupid strategy if you believe it was on purpose.

by the way I am 39 and I have played all three games sytems at E3. I do think the Xbox will fail and i was not at all impressed with the showing at E3 or the gameplay of the Xbox.

I do not think personal attacks are really the way to convince someone you are right. you have time and time again in this thread insulted fellow members and made comments that are not appropriate.

who cares how old someone is? if someone is twelve are they no longer entitled to an opinion here at Dvdtalk? I have met twelve year olds with far more intelligence than many adults -age is not a factor in deciding to listen to someone. if you disagree then great do not insult them however

also is it possible for you to put links to the pictures so that those who care to see the screen shots can click on the links and not force everyone to see them.

Yeah - your posts were putting me to sleep... if you've played x-box and the gamecube or whatever - then the comment wasn't directed at you.

Aghama - I just thought it would be a funny thing to say and when I said that the tone of the thread was more tongue in cheek sarcasm. So whatever to you.

The people who think this probably also believe the myth about New Coke.

Yeah, your right, sorry about all the cuts, I got carried away. Sorry about all that.


Age doesn't matter if you have a valid argument, but some of these people......

My point about the "give all the bugs to Japan, what are you a racist?" Was a joke, but kinda of an insult as well, why should Japan have all the bugs? Why not us? I think the systems should be released at the same time, I think it would be fair.


There's a new coke??? No Way!

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=628

Hey we all get carried away some times

I believe most of us on this website like to play games. However many of us like different games and different styles of gameplay. If you ask if something will fail. then we base our comments on our interests and likes since this is what we like. So if i did not like the games or the feel of the game controller of the xbox then I will say they will fail.

Is this what will happen- who knows. this is what i think and nothing more.

There is always a lot of give and take here with many people just not seeing the games they like on the PS2 or Gamecube or the Xbox. this is why the whole market decides who will fail not us . Many people say there are still no good games out for the PS2- I and many would disagree but then I have no idea what the person saying it is looking for in a game. to them they see no good games. are they right? for them they are. for the market as a whole since the games are selling i would not agree.

Gee to here people talk the Dreamcast was the best selling system of all time due to the people who post here. We all know it sold very few systems and is still selling so bad they may need to lower the price even more to clear out the systems.

Is the system bad- Of course not. It just did not catch on in the marketplace and failed due to the lack of sales and the lack of funding from sega.

I don't agree. It all starts and ends with developer support and customer satisfaction. I'm not sure about either one.

Consumers arent normally that smart, the most people buying them are parents for there kids, etc. If they pump enough advertising at it, the parents will buy them (Not all parents but most will) because they normally buy into stuff like that.
Im not saying they will be making much money off the X-Box, im just saying they dont really care if they do, they will just try there asses off to make it sell, weather they make money or not.

And as far as developer support, they will have no problem with that, they already have over 100 companies developing for it and I hear it is very easy to port a Win9X/2K game to the X-Box which means many re-releases of already popular PC games (Which is a lot harder to do with the PS2 or GameCube which requires more of a re-write then a port).

Just thought I would chime in here.

I haven't played either system, so I don't have that kind of experience. But I plan on buying the Gamecube, simply because it looks like they have the games I want to play.

I've always had Nintendo systems, and never felt "let down." I was playing "Majora's Mask" yesterday, thinking what a great game it was. I've never regretted my purchase of the 64. My roommate in college had a Playstation, and I played the crap out of that too, so I do know what it offered.

I don't care if Nintendo only had a few games people really liked, because those were the ones I bought. I've never bought tons and tons of games, so as long as there are 5-10 games I enjoy playing, I consider the system a good purchase.

But X-box just seems...off to me. Not that they don't know how to turn out quality software, because I'm usually fairly happy with my MS-based computer. But because they are releasing a system at such a high price. Because they seem to be forcing the bundle system, and because I can't distinguish the X-box from an underpowered computer.

Will they fail? Probably not, there's enough interest out there. But my money is on Gamecube. I paid $200 on launch day for my Super NES, my N64, and now my Gamecube. That's very appealing to consumers.

The reason the Dreamcast didn't do as well is because they don't have the advertising budget of Sony or Nintendo. Sega has always been playing second or third fiddle, but only because they don't have the funds to advertise as much as the others can. Sega has always been ahead of the other systems in technology and they have always had superior games. They released a 16 bit console years before Nintendo did, yet they didn't sell as well. Kids are impressionable - and if they see Mario on TV 100 times a day and Sonic only 2 times a day - he's gonna be thinking Mario instead of Sonic. That's the way it is.

Bill Gates has to really kiss those Japanese games developers' ass in order to beat Sony. Hate to say this, but we all know that no matter what those from country of rising sun make, we buy. In order to win, X box MUST have games from developers such as Squaresoft, Konami, Taito, Capcom, Atari, Kodensha, and etc. X box should not prioritize on local developers only. If X-box implant the philosophy of Americans loves US products, it will only result in total annihilation. Therefore start learning Japanese, Bill. Domo Arigato.

Squaresoft - Final Fantasy? Bouncer? Parasite Eve? Nope - nothing... I can live without
Konami - Air Force Delta Storm, ESPN NBA 2Night 2002, Silent Hill 2: Director's Cut, Jikkyou World Soccer 2001
Taito - None - and who cares? Bust-A-Move? That's it. Darius whatever? Who cares?
Capcom - Ahh yes... well, this is a downer. Capcom makes some great games...
Atari - You're joking... Haven't made anything since 97. Haven't made anything good in 10 years or so.
Kodensha - Uhh... who?

Well... X-Box doesn't yet have the support of those developers, but check out this list:

Ubi Soft - V.I.P., Batman: Vengence, Ghost Recon
Electronic Arts - NASCAR Thunder 2002, Madden NFL 2002, Cel Damage, Simpson's Road Rage, Pirates of Skull Cove
InterPlay - Galleon
Sega - Gunvalkyrie, Panzer Dragoon, Crazy Taxi Next
Konami - Air Force Delta Storm, Silent Hill 2: Director's Cut
Midway - NHL Hitz 2002, Ready 2 Rumble Boxing X, Mortal Kombat, MLB SlugFest 20-03, Defender, Gravity Games
CDV - Heaven and Hell
Infogrames - TransWorld Surf, La Femme Nikita, Superman, Mission: Impossible 2
Namco - Ridge Racer Xbox, Dead to Rights, Soul Calibur 2
Titus - Sgt. Cruise
Xicat Interactive - Ballistics, Hellraiser
Simon and Schuster - Outlaw Golf
Eidos Interactive - Thunderstrike Operation Phoenix
NewKidCo - E.T.
Climax (UK) - Title Defense
Mattel Interactive - Tyco R/C
Universal Interactive Studios - Jurassic Park 3, Spyro, The Thing
Empire Interactive - Antz Racing
Sony Pictures Consumer Products - Jackie Chan Adventures
Koei - Crimson Sea
Activision - Race of Champions, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2X, Minority Report
Funcom - Jet Sprint MX
Sierra - Malice, Fellowship of the Ring, Jonny Drama
Conspiracy Games - Enclave
Fox Interactive - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Crave Entertainment - UFC: Tapout, Kengo: Legacy of the Blade
EA Sports - NBA Live 2002
LucasArts - Star Wars: Obi-Wan,
THQ - Dark Summit, New Legends, MX 2002 Featuring Ricky Carmichael, WWF Raw is War
Acclaim - Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2
Take-Two Interactive - Max Payne
Bethesda Softworks - Elder Scrolls III
TDK Mediactive - Shrek
Temco - Dead or Alive 3
Gathering of Developers - 4X4 Evolution 2
and of course Microsoft - Halo, Fuzion Frenzy, Azurik, Amped, Oddworld, etc...

All of these developers are currently working on games specifically for the X-Box (not all exclusively of course, but some titles will be exclusive). Many of them working on multiple titles. There are more developers in that list than Nintendo will have actual games out by the end of 2002. You're nuts if you think the absence of Squaresoft, Taito, Capcom, Atari, and Kodensha will make any difference whatsoever. You people are complete fools if you think the X-Box will be a failure. I'll bet you all end up owning one! HAHAHA... j/k