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Old 03-02-01 | 11:46 AM
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Man, as much as I was irritated because of Mike, I feel bad for him. That looked so painful.

Merger:
This is where it will get interesting. The shift now goes to voting off your stronger adversaries. Since the one old guy made it to the merge, he might be looking good now. Having each club go in with 5 is good for the show. I think everyone knows that the strategy is to have the tribe with more members pick off the smaller tribe one by one. But now they can't.

I think Ogakor has to, and will, put aside differences because of the merger. The one thing that this show has shown us over and over, is that most people put aside pet peeves and personality when it comes to what they perceive they have to do to win. $1mil can make people ignore small details, specially after the merger.

So, unless theya re totally stupid, each tribe will pick a person from the other tribe to vote off. It should end in a tie. How do they handle that? I forget.
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So, unless theya re totally stupid, each tribe will pick a person from the other tribe to vote off. It should end in a tie. How do they handle that? I forget.

Run-off vote. Neither of the people who were tied can vote. Then the remaining people for one of the tied people. Of course, if pattern follows, that would result in another 4-4 tie. Then it goes to whoever received more votes in previous tribal council votes.
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I do not quite understand
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how Mike fell into the fire. Did he fall asleep near it and later rolled into it without waking up so quickly? Very odd.
I second that with Jerri.
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Those two, Jerri and Amber, did tick me off indeed. Poor Colby having to listen to those two. It was kinda funny though. The torture Colby and Keith go through with those two must be unbearable.
I think Ogakor is a dying tribe. Kucha should pick Ogakor apart. Of course, that is what the previews are suggesting so the reverse may be true. Survivor II is doing a good job keeping us guessing.
Here's how it happened:

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Mike was talking really fast and shouting (for good reason), but I heard him say he was doing something at the fire (cooking or blowing on it to stoke it up), but he was too close and got a lungful of heat/fire. He said this caused him to pass out. He woke up a little later IN the fire!


Not that I would wish that on ANYONE, but if SOMEONE had to have that happen to them, I'd choose Jerri.
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Old 03-02-01 | 12:41 PM
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So, unless theya re totally stupid, each tribe will pick a person from the other tribe to vote off. It should end in a tie. How do they handle that? I forget.

Run-off vote. Neither of the people who were tied can vote. Then the remaining people for one of the tied people. Of course, if pattern follows, that would result in another 4-4 tie. Then it goes to whoever received more votes in previous tribal council votes.
I don't think the votes from the individual tribes matters any more. Wasn't there a time after the merger in S1 where there was a tie and Jeff sai "one of you has to switch sometime, or we'll be here all night"?
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Old 03-02-01 | 01:17 PM
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So, unless theya re totally stupid, each tribe will pick a person from the other tribe to vote off. It should end in a tie. How do they handle that? I forget.

Run-off vote. Neither of the people who were tied can vote. Then the remaining people for one of the tied people. Of course, if pattern follows, that would result in another 4-4 tie. Then it goes to whoever received more votes in previous tribal council votes.
I don't think the votes from the individual tribes matters any more. Wasn't there a time after the merger in S1 where there was a tie and Jeff sai "one of you has to switch sometime, or we'll be here all night"?
RIGHT. The previous councils don't matter at this point.
As in S1 "we can be here all NIGHT guys!". And somebody switched the vote immediately.

So I think Ogakor is in trouble with this scenario, because they have "weaker" bonds you would think with all the prior tension. So with Jerri always up to know good I think she should get with Kucha, (Jeff and Alicia specifically) and agree to vote with Kucha against someone like Keith.
And in return talk Jeff and Alicia into keeping her untill the end because with the following scenario they would need her: So Kucha plus Jerri continue to pick off the rest of Ogakor. She should realize that there are two strong bonds in Kucha right now of two people each (Roger and Liz) and (Jeff and Alicia) (I don't know where Nick stands right now). And what both of those two mini-groups have to realize is that they either have to fight for Nick's vote (assuming he isn't in one already) or some of Ogakor's votes. Because if they just pick off the whole Ogakor tribe then there will be trouble when it gets to their mini-group Tribal Councils. There are so many possible scenarios. You always want to have the numbers for the advantage, but also can't let it backfire on you. And you need a good face, in order to win the final VOTE for the million. Roger and Liz could also be wild cards when it comes to this game also. They have their "mini-alliance" friendship going but at the same time are more likely than the others to have a "change of heart" and vote their concious sometime or another.

I think Mike had a GREAT advantage untill last night! He was "playing the game". I also think Jeff is a thinker and trying to "play the game" correctly. I think Nick is just the Gervase of S2 and going with the flow which can't last forever. Right now Jeff has an advantage in his line of thinking if he can put it together. However it "could" backfire to early before it gets started if he is "found out" first. Almost as Rich was almost voted out early on.

On the other side I think Keith and Colby should join forces and "include" Tina for the ride. And try and get Roger and Elizabeth to "switch over". Then basically tell Jerri annd Amber that they got them to "switch over" and use those seven for the first vote off of Jeff or Nick or Alicia. Then after that immediately turn on Jerri or Amber!
Since I'm sure nobody wants those two annoying things around! Keith and Colby could pull that off with the "nice guy" approach with Roger and Elizabeth. Maybe Keith can find some creative ways to "cook" the chicken feed!

See there are many scenarios. And it is smart to pick off the tribe one at a time, BUT they have to realize "if" they do that then it would be eventually the 5 of them and so they have to see that 2 of them have the disadvantage! And more than likely those "2" already know who they are, and should break from those earlier on and get rid of "the leader" and show who is really incharge by getting some from the "other side" but not too many that could turn on them!

See last year Rich had the numbers PERFECTLY. He had the SOLID 4 with NONE of them really knowing who would be the final 3 (it would have been different if Kelly didn't have immunity!). With Kucha you have 5, BUT then two sub groups of two, or maybe one of them having Nick for the 3rd person. There isn't a group of 4. So one of the groups of 2 should strive to get some extra help from the "outside" before it's too late. That's assuming Kucha takes it to the end.
Ogakor is a different story. Who the hell knows what can happen over there!

I love over-analyzing this stuff (as with the MOLE). Should be an interesting few weeks ahead of us.
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Old 03-02-01 | 02:41 PM
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I don't think the votes from the individual tribes matters any more. Wasn't there a time after the merger in S1 where there was a tie and Jeff sai "one of you has to switch sometime, or we'll be here all night"? [/B]

There was a tie once last time after the merger, but it was immediately broken in the run-off. In the Final 4, Rich and Rudy voted Susan off while Kelly and Susan voted Rich off. Then they had a runoff and Kelly and Rudy voted off Susan.
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Old 03-02-01 | 03:10 PM
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Wow briank, good job!!

Have you, or are you, going to try out for this?

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Is there betting on Survivor in Las Vegas?
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Old 03-02-01 | 03:28 PM
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Hey have you guys read the news over at Daily Variety wire.....

concerning next weeks episode...don't read if you don't want to know

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Next week, Rodger falls off a horse and damages (breaks his collarbone. He gets treatment, but he comes back to keep competing right away.


Very interesting?
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Old 03-02-01 | 03:32 PM
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Hey have you guys read the news over at Daily Variety wire.....

concerning next weeks episode...don't read if you don't want to know

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Next week, Rodger falls off a horse and damages (breaks his collarbone. He gets treatment, but he comes back to keep competing right away.


Very interesting?
I have heard this. Some people thought this was going to happen last week and that was "THE INJURY". I didn't know it was already for this upcoming episode though. Should be "interesting".
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Old 03-02-01 | 04:13 PM
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Hey have you guys read the news over at Daily Variety wire.....

concerning next weeks episode...don't read if you don't want to know

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Next week, Rodger falls off a horse and damages (breaks his collarbone. He gets treatment, but he comes back to keep competing right away.


Very interesting?
Yeah right!
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Old 03-04-01 | 10:27 PM
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Is there betting on Survivor in Las Vegas?
I think there is. I remember when the first season was going Rudy was the favorite.
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Old 03-07-01 | 03:07 AM
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The slaughter of a pig on Survivor: The Australian Outback was condemned as gratuitous and cruel by animal rights groups, but Michael Skupin says the killing was humane.

http://www.foxnews.com/foxlife/030601/survivor.sml
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Old 03-07-01 | 10:15 AM
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Is there betting on Survivor in Las Vegas?

No way. No sportsbook in Las Vegas would put up lines on something where the outcome was determined months ago. The likelihood of fraud would be too great. Now you might see gambling websites with posted odds, but those are simply for entertainment purposes only.
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Time for predictions...who gets voted off tonight.

Jerri seems to be "favorite" to get booted but my guess is Colby. He is the biggest threat to the Kuchas because of his good-natured attitude and athleticism (which would help in future immunity challenges). Once they get him off, then they can pick the rest of the Ogakors off one-by-one. The real interesting question tonight will be if the 5 Ogakors can bond and protect themselves by all voting for 1 of the Kuchas and forcing a 5-5 tie.
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Old 03-08-01 | 02:54 PM
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I think Colby is a pretty good guess.

Once the tribes merge, the strongest member of the weakest tribe should, strategically, be the one who's booted. Just like last time, if memory serves.
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Old 03-08-01 | 05:46 PM
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I don't think it will be like last time. People, however, may want to keep Jerri around. Having someone irritating at the end can be good for the other person. I would love to see her get booted though.

The interesting thing will be who gets a member booted, the old ogakor or kucha. If Kucha loses a member, this whole game changed on Michael's accident to the detriment of his entire 'tribe'.

Due to her strong personality and the quick change in the composition of the final 10, I think Alicia will get the boot.

Boy, do fans hate Jerri or what:

http://survivor.cbs.com/primetime/su...results06.html
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Rumor at survivorsucks has Alicia winning the IC. There was a clip on today of her jumping with excitment or something like that.
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How could they not vote for
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. Now the show is going to be stuck with the screaming moron girls...

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Old 03-08-01 | 08:06 PM
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Oh my! Richard Hatch's pick to win it all has been booted! Believe it or not, but Kimmi did in tonight's loser, Jeff, but it was along tribal lines as the tribes stayed true and consistent to boot him or Colby off. Jeff had one vote cast against him while Colby had none.

What this means is that Kucha is going down and I think we'll see a majority of Ogakorians in the final 4.

Even if a Kucha wins immunity next week, it's all over for the Ogakor group now. I say the pecking order will be Nick, Alicia, Elisabeth and then Rodger. Then the carnage begins 5 weeks from now.



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I say they'll group together and vote Jerri out


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Why would they vote Jerri off when they just broke the Kucha alliance? If they vote Jerri off, the teams would be once again equal, and at which point Kucha could reunite and get rid of Colby based on previous votes, and then regain the lead. Ogakor isn't dumb enough to break up their little alliance, even if everyone hates Jerri. CBS is using editing tactics to make you think something is up, otherwise no one will tune in until the final four when it truly is every person for themself. I'd be willing to bet we'll see an all Ogakor final four, unless somehow Nick or Alicia can win a sh!tload of challenges
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I think Alicia cost Jeff tonight! Tonight Jeff picked up on Keith "being an outsider". And figured they could either get him to the "other side" or atleast he probably had votes against him because of the outsider vibe he got from him. THen on the other side it was up to Alicia and she should have picked up on Jerri bad mouthing Keith. She "didn't". So they would have voted Keith if he didn't get immunity, but by default they should have picked up on the Keith/Jerri tension and voted Jerri by default since Keith had immunity. Then Jerri would be history with the tie breaker rule! Oh well. This was really disappointing because I wanted KUCHA to win, especially with how well Mike was playing the game! Now ofcourse the previews have it looking like Ogies are "breaking up and backstabbing each other". But can anyone say TAGI REPEAT!
Probably won't happen, well this next week anyway. But if they were smart Keith and Tina should defect after this week. And also Colby should do some scheming knowing he is an easy target AFTER Kucha is gone. They should defect from the Alliance before it's too late (which is BEFORE all of Kucha is gone, they NEED some of their votes!). So it "could" be still interesting. I don't want to see the next four Kuchas go in a row. Maybe I'm being to optimistic, however in the long run this would BENEFIT some of the Ogakor's as long as they KEEP the number advantage. They should vote of another Kucha, then the week after ONE OF THEIR OWN, by backstabbing, then a Kucha and so on.
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YES! YES! YES! Words can't express how happy I am that Jeff got voted off. There is a god!!!
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Hey Patman, do all of our sub-posts under you count as YOUR POST and add to your post total?
What kind of "alliance" is this?!?!?!
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One has to wonder how Kucha didn't pick up on the ease and guiltlessness of Colby jumping off, especially being as physical as he is. At which point, Keith got immunity, now that only leaves Jerri up there for any decent amount of time (she was actually bribed off, unlike Colby) and Jerri was also see stiring up sh!t. Personally I think Kucha is hurting without Mike, they lost their scheming brains to tell them what to do. You'd think Nick coulda figured it out... Geeze... They were just afraid of Colby and thought he could win every challenge after this week on sheer power. They didn't play it smart enough. I also think it wasn't Alicia's fault, because Jerri was such an easy target right after Keith. If Jeff didn't want to get voted off, he should stayed up there himself. He cost the team, not Alicia. What was Sue doing up there for so long? Maybe trying to intimidate Alicia? Now I'm thinking maybe if Sue and Keith cross over to Rodger, Elisabeth Alicia, and Nick, they could oust Amber Colby and Jerri.. HMMM... Sue is a really sneak biyatch, and Keith openly hates Jerri (did you catch the part where he was talking about his matches? lol...) At which point, they could get rid of Colby and Jerri, two of the strongest contenders, and keep the weak ones like Roger and Elisabeth there. I'm not sure if they'll cross over so soon though, they might want to thin the herd. So next week we'll see ALicia go, and after that Nick, and then let's say Sue and Keith team up with Roger and Elisabeth and oust Colby and Jerri, at which point Roger will lose the challenge and he'll go, then Elisabeth, then the final vote will go to Keith because he was less of a backstabber than Sue.
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