fujishig

They had cartoons that mimicked the MCU characters (like the cartoon GotG, or that second Avengers cartoon) and they didn't care if people got them confused. And back in the day both Spider-man and X-men had cameos galore, so I don't think they're that concerned like WB was back in the day when they made the dumb decision to say "no Bat villains in JL" or whatever.

This version of X-men is great and I don't mind them being part of the multiverse but to have these characters as the mainline X-men in the MCU? No thanks. Not sure if that's what's being implied but yeah, keep them in cartoons and come up with something different for their MCU debut.

Why So Blu?

Awesome season finale. There is a small mid-credit scene foreshadowing season 2.

OldBoy

i thought the finale was the worst of the this series. just boring. nothing much really happened imo. good series overall though.

fujishig

Boring? Did you watch the wrong episode by mistake? Or is this sarcasm?

Amazing finale.

Still can't decide if it's stupid or accurate that we decided to launch missiles and ended up making the situation much much worse. Like were they expecting to blow away the asteroid? How stupid are the world's scientists.

The current Black Panther is Tchalla's father, I didn't expect that.

I think you lose something in the central message of "hey this is about bigotry" when you make Bastion that bwahhaha evil, going against humans and mutants alike, and becoming so far from being a human that the bigots would never follow him. I thought they did a decent job in an earlier episode when they basically said people volunteered for the Sentinel program (then had their minds wiped), but this episode kind of placed the blame solely on him for brainwashing people (obviously some were brainwashed like Trish but I thought a bunch of them were "patriots"). But minor nitpick.

Just like Claremont in my youth the X-men made me look up a word I had never heard of before: pogrom.

This is basically just a huge love letter to the X-men and I can't get enough. I mean we went through

X-cutioners Song
The trial of Magneto
Inferno
Mutant Massacre (kinda... ok it was more Astonishing X-men crossed with the X-gala)
Xavier in space
Fatal Attractions
Operation: Zero Tolerance

And they didn't take what I would consider the easy out and go straight to Onslaught, instead giving us The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix and the past of a major bad guy, Rise of A (like who thought those two mini series, well three, would make it onto the screen?).

Oh, and Shadowcat (and Rachel, kinda)! And animated Peter and Mary Jane (he found her!), and animated Force Works Iron Man!

And hoo boy the Morph/Wolverine shippers are going to be excited.

Deftones

Nice way to set up S2 and the villain.

So so many cameos. Was cool to see them all.

Story about one of them I missed: https://www.polygon.com/24157229/x-m...-series-finale

I don't recall the extent of Rogue's powers but she never tried to touch Bastion? Maybe wouldn't work because he is basically a machine? She should have at least tried.

fujishig

I noticed Quicksilver and Wanda were off world but I didn't realize that Cable, Sunspot, and Jubilee were all AWOL. Hmm...

Kdogg

There’s always the chance she absorbs part of the personality (even temporarily) especially if it’s a psychopath. That’s what happens if she tries that on the Juggernaut (from past episodes). Then you have two.

Kdogg

Make it into smaller pieces that burn up in the atmosphere or are small enough not to cause an extinction level event if they do hit. Three one mile meteors hitting are theoretically better than one three mile meteor.

fujishig

I understand the concept, but nobody deflected the missiles (that I saw), they hit full on, and all it did was cause Asteroid M to plummet when it was perfectly fine in the first place.

Add to that the world leaders knew Magneto had been thwarted because the power came back on. They knew that Bastion and his sentinels were a bigger threat AND that they had been defeated because the Sentinels fell. So their first response is "the muties only understand force?" And T'chaka and Captain America are the only ones who are like "welp, that's a bad idea but you do you?"

Then there's the fact that ONLY the X-men even tried to divert the asteroid, the world leaders had absolutely no other response, no superheroes to help, only a news announcement that "well, we screwed up, sorry."

Magneto was right.

fujishig

This is going to blow some minds (the confirmation of it at least):

Dr. DVD

Finished binging this yesterday. I was just getting into X-Men and comics in general when the original animated series was starting back in '92. I would do the readings and then do a lot of whatever the equivalent of the DiCaprio gif from OUATIH was while watching. The cartoon started when I was just starting as a sophomore in high school and I actually made a point to try and catch or record it while in my dorm in college when it was in its final days. In short, I have a bit of history. That being said, this series really surpassed my expectations. Granted, given creative output of Marvel as of late that isn't too high a bar, but this would have surpassed even higher ones.

The main aspect I enjoyed was that it was obviously written with the knowledge that most of the viewing audience would be full grown adults. This made it possible for them to go places they really couldn't during the original run in terms of more mature elements. They clearly had no problem with killing characters or people this time, or showing rather graphic acts of violence. I would guess this could still play to a younger crowd, but I doubt it would have the same impact. What I really liked about this new story was how much of the previously unacknowledged stuff from the comics they finally brought to light. Namely the past shared by Rogue and Magneto. In fact, the character of Rogue is probably the one who benefitted most from this series next to maybe Cyclops. Her character in the comics was rather interesting, but I never found her to be such in either the previous animated outing or the live action movies. The animated series just kind of made her eye candy and the movies barely let her do anything. It was good to finally see them address the fact that if she gets upset, she can be a pretty scary individual .
I am curious if the next season or future ones may introduce the character of Stryfe. X-Cutioner's Song was the first major X-Men story I followed, so it would be cool if he were to make an appearance. Cable is present, so I think it's a bit possibility.

Xiroteus

It's been awhile were Wolverine is part of the team and not Wolverine And The X-Men.

Dr. DVD

FWIW, when I was younger I sided with Xavier, but the older I get the more I think Magneto may be correct. Go figure.

Q: what determined which people became the Prime Sentinels? It looked like Bastion had people signing up to do it, but it also seemed like a bunch of random people turned as well.

Josh-da-man

When Grant Morrison was writing the book, they had kids at Xavier's wearing "Magneto was Right" shirts.

fujishig

He did have people signing up to do it, though they got their mind wiped after. They then kind of retconned that to put all the blame on Bastion and saying he brainwashed them. But there had to have been people forcibly taken and converted, for example Trish (the reporter) and most of the townsfolk in Bastion's town.

I do think there's something added when people volunteer to become cybernetic cyborgs because they hate mutants... basically agreeing to become not-human, the thing they hate the most, but just don't realize.

And yes Magneto was right. They had to basically have him go all out villain mode to push him to the "oh wait he must be wrong" side.

• He was completely justified in doing that EMP to keep the sentinels down.
• Xavier should have focused on working with him instead of splitting his team into two to take on him and Bastion. Magneto had a built in beef with Bastion, and as it played out, there's no way they could or should have taken out Magneto before Bastion. And there's no way in hell you send someone with a metal skeleton who's sole goal is to kill the one guy that can reverse the damage to the Earth.
• Humans had volunteered to disfigure themselves just to kill mutants. And the process at the time seemed irreversible. This plays into a lot of things that we probably now realize as adults that we didn't as kids.
• The human world government (or at least the secret governments, including Doom) were basically like screw Genosha and were behind OZT
• Even after they knew Magneto had been defeated the inept government's response was let's thrown missiles at the asteroid and dislodge it from orbit

Had Magneto made any effort to save, I dunno, anyone but two X-men on his little asteroid, I think I could be convinced that he was still at least justified in wanting to end humans after what they did (of course that wouldn't have been a heroic thing to do). But they had to add the "irreversible damage to the Earth" and then him not lifting a finger to help any of the other mutants.

And they absolutely played into it too. Magneto's more direct approach did more for mutantkind than anything Xavier did with his wealth in years and years, as he correctly pointed out with the morlocks. And Xavier coming back did absolutely nothing.

RocShemp

So did Disney rehire Beau DeMayo? If not, they should. Hell, let him spearhead the MCU X-Men as well.

tanman

How can it still be secret why they fired him? So weird.

DJariya

New writer and showrunner officially hired for season 3. For those who aren't aware, seasons 1 and 2 were produced back to back.

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candyrocket786

" Revised".... yeah, that doesn't give me much hope when DeMayo and his team knocked it out of the park with Season 1.

The logical choice would be to bring him back.

I guess I need lower my expectations.

Spiderbite

Ah...don't worry about that. I am sure they will hire some awesome experienced writers, producers and show runner and they will quality control that shit to the max! This is Disney/Marvel we are talking about here!

tanman

How in the world do we still not know what DeMayo did to piss off Disney? He hasn't been charged with anything or sued that we know of right?

RocShemp

Other than claims that he was "difficult to work with" and OnlyFans account, nothing new ever seems to show up. As for season 2, DeMayo did finally clarify that he wrote a large chunk of it, but has zero say in what they do with his scripts.

As others have mentioned, it sucks because he and his team delivered an excellent first season. Heck, I wish they'd hire him back and use him to right the MCU ship (really curious about his discarded 1920s draft for the MCU's Blade).

tanman

This is exactly why I'm so curious as to what he did. Is it really something that's so unforgiveable? It seems almost personal. Like it's not something that egregious that Disney knows that the fans would be clamoring to get him rehired. Like what happened with Gunn. Fans basically forced Disney's hand.

story

Not everything is a conspiracy. Not every parting of ways is over a controversy. Maybe the studio wanted Magneto dead and he couldn't see a way to do that or vice versa, I don't know. But it truly could just be the way it is and nothing more. I'm not trying to be flippant with anyone in particular, just offering that sometimes the something isn't much of anything in the big picture of what a something can be.

tanman

That's exactly what someone who's trying to cover up a conspiracy would say....