Doctor Who - Season 1 Thread - S: Ncuti Gatwa
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I love Millie Gibson/Ruby sooo much. I’m still getting a feel for the new Doctor but this is the best I’ve felt about this series in YEARS!
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Ncuti is an absolute joy to watch -- it's wonderful to have a Doctor who actually feels like he enjoys being the Doctor -- but the stories have been terrible.
Davies is leaning way too far into camp in Ncuti's first three episodes. I was initially cool with the goblins and flying ship in the Christmas special, but the next two episodes have featured talking babies running a space ship and the Doctor dueling Jinx Monsoon with animated sheet music. Not to mention completely wasting a guest appearance by the Beatles.
Wild speculation time: We're leading up the return of Susan. She got name-dropped in "The Devil's Chord" that ended with a musical number about a "Twist at the end." Not to mention that the Doctor also brought up the Tardis being an acronym for Time And Relative Dimension in Space (which is what Susan named it in the first episode back in 1963.
Look at the credits and one of the actresses is named... Susan Twist.
Was Susan the mysterious woman who left Ruby at the church? Is Ruby The Doctor's great-granddaughter?
After watching "The Church on Ruby Road," I thought that maybe the woman who left baby Ruby on the church doorstep would be Ruby herself, but now I'm not sure. And there's still the matter of the woman who lives next door to Ruby who knew about the Tardis.
Davies is leaning way too far into camp in Ncuti's first three episodes. I was initially cool with the goblins and flying ship in the Christmas special, but the next two episodes have featured talking babies running a space ship and the Doctor dueling Jinx Monsoon with animated sheet music. Not to mention completely wasting a guest appearance by the Beatles.
Wild speculation time: We're leading up the return of Susan. She got name-dropped in "The Devil's Chord" that ended with a musical number about a "Twist at the end." Not to mention that the Doctor also brought up the Tardis being an acronym for Time And Relative Dimension in Space (which is what Susan named it in the first episode back in 1963.
Look at the credits and one of the actresses is named... Susan Twist.
Was Susan the mysterious woman who left Ruby at the church? Is Ruby The Doctor's great-granddaughter?
After watching "The Church on Ruby Road," I thought that maybe the woman who left baby Ruby on the church doorstep would be Ruby herself, but now I'm not sure. And there's still the matter of the woman who lives next door to Ruby who knew about the Tardis.
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Ncuti is an absolute joy to watch -- it's wonderful to have a Doctor who actually feels like he enjoys being the Doctor -- but the stories have been terrible.
Davies is leaning way too far into camp in Ncuti's first three episodes. I was initially cool with the goblins and flying ship in the Christmas special, but the next two episodes have featured talking babies running a space ship and the Doctor dueling Jinx Monsoon with animated sheet music. Not to mention completely wasting a guest appearance by the Beatles.
Davies is leaning way too far into camp in Ncuti's first three episodes. I was initially cool with the goblins and flying ship in the Christmas special, but the next two episodes have featured talking babies running a space ship and the Doctor dueling Jinx Monsoon with animated sheet music. Not to mention completely wasting a guest appearance by the Beatles.
That said, the next episode is a Stephen Moffat penned one, so we may get a more classical, twisty episode. That said, RTD wrote, solo, 6 out of the 8 episodes this season, so expect more RTD wackiness.
Wild speculation time: We're leading up the return of Susan. She got name-dropped in "The Devil's Chord" that ended with a musical number about a "Twist at the end." Not to mention that the Doctor also brought up the Tardis being an acronym for Time And Relative Dimension in Space (which is what Susan named it in the first episode back in 1963.
Look at the credits and one of the actresses is named... Susan Twist.
Look at the credits and one of the actresses is named... Susan Twist.
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I'm not going to say all old white women look the same but Susan Twist isn't the the neighbor who knew what a Tardis was in the Christmas episode is she? I think her name was Mrs. Flood?
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Susan Twist is an actress who has had bit parts in four of the episodes since RTD's return... she was Mrs. Merridew in "Wild Blue Yonder," she was the concertgoer in "Church on Ruby Road" who requested Gaudete, she was one of the people who abandoned the space station in "Space Babies," and she was the woman who sold the Doctor and Ruby tea at the EMI canteen in "The Devil's Chord." She's also, apparently, going to appear in the next episode, too.
Seems like RTD is planting another "Bad Wolf" in this season.
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Well... "Boom" was immensely better than the previous two episodes.
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"Boom" is peak Moffat. When he's good, he's good, and he's very good at self-contained stories. A very clever and twisty story, but also with some emotional heft; you care about the guest characters, even after knowing them for only a few minutes. One minor complaint is that I think the actor for Splice was maybe a bit too old for the way that character acted. It seems like the character was written as younger, but maybe they were tired of all the age restrictions from filming Space Babies.
There's this short video where Stephen Moffat explains his inspiration for the story:
It ends up being almost a bottle episode. There's only a handful of sets, and like 90% of the episode happens on one of them. It's really interesting to see the show constrained that way.
Now a little more spoilery, this article goes into more speculation about Susan Twist, who's role in this episode is pretty prominent:
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi...st-newsupdate/
Also, the "Easter eggs" and references in the episode explained:
https://mashable.com/article/doctor-...om-easter-eggs
And an interview with Stephen Moffat about the episode, which includes a spoiler about next season's casting that was already announced. but people may not have been paying attention:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...al-1235903042/
There's this short video where Stephen Moffat explains his inspiration for the story:
It ends up being almost a bottle episode. There's only a handful of sets, and like 90% of the episode happens on one of them. It's really interesting to see the show constrained that way.
Now a little more spoilery, this article goes into more speculation about Susan Twist, who's role in this episode is pretty prominent:
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi...st-newsupdate/
Also, the "Easter eggs" and references in the episode explained:
https://mashable.com/article/doctor-...om-easter-eggs
And an interview with Stephen Moffat about the episode, which includes a spoiler about next season's casting that was already announced. but people may not have been paying attention:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...al-1235903042/
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It also featured that odd obsession Moffat seems to have with malfunctioning medical equipment. It's a quirk/kink that seems show up in a lot of his stories in one form or another.
Still probably the best episode since "Heaven Sent."
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So 73 yards....
It starts off compelling, I liked the fake-outs in the Welsh pub, but I think the resolution was unsatisfying. The episode creates a big mystery, actually a few, and the resolution is one of those non-answer "explanations" that doesn't actually explain anything. It reminds me a bit of the show LOST, where people get drawn in to the big mysteries, but it turns out the mysteries were so big and odd that even the writers that created them didn't have an explanation.
Also, it made Ruby seem like the dumbest companion. Like, why wouldn't you spend way more time trying to figure it out? Do research on fairy circles? The figure is obviously signing a message, why not try and interpret that. At least she came up with a clever way to weaponize the situation, although I don't even know if that use "stuck," due to the ending. Meanwhile, while other episodes where companions been left without The Doctor and have to fend for themselves, it shows them rising to the occasion and figuring out a solution, here the resolution just... happens.
Maybe, this episode will fell more satisfying once the larger mystery of Ruby and her origin is explained. But as-is, for me the resolution landed with a thud. something that resolves the problem in the episode without actually explaining anything.
It starts off compelling, I liked the fake-outs in the Welsh pub, but I think the resolution was unsatisfying. The episode creates a big mystery, actually a few, and the resolution is one of those non-answer "explanations" that doesn't actually explain anything. It reminds me a bit of the show LOST, where people get drawn in to the big mysteries, but it turns out the mysteries were so big and odd that even the writers that created them didn't have an explanation.
Also, it made Ruby seem like the dumbest companion. Like, why wouldn't you spend way more time trying to figure it out? Do research on fairy circles? The figure is obviously signing a message, why not try and interpret that. At least she came up with a clever way to weaponize the situation, although I don't even know if that use "stuck," due to the ending. Meanwhile, while other episodes where companions been left without The Doctor and have to fend for themselves, it shows them rising to the occasion and figuring out a solution, here the resolution just... happens.
Maybe, this episode will fell more satisfying once the larger mystery of Ruby and her origin is explained. But as-is, for me the resolution landed with a thud. something that resolves the problem in the episode without actually explaining anything.
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I liked "73 Yards" on a visceral level, but the whole thing made little sense.
It sort of has a Black Mirror vibe to it, but, yeah, it's also a lot like Lost where there's all of this "weird"/"unexplained" stuff going on that only serves to drive the plot and has no in-universe explanation. Why did the Doctor vanish? Who created the fairy circle with the scrolls?
Wonder if this was a standalone episode, or if it will have larger implications down the line when we start to learn more about Ruby.
It sort of has a Black Mirror vibe to it, but, yeah, it's also a lot like Lost where there's all of this "weird"/"unexplained" stuff going on that only serves to drive the plot and has no in-universe explanation. Why did the Doctor vanish? Who created the fairy circle with the scrolls?
Wonder if this was a standalone episode, or if it will have larger implications down the line when we start to learn more about Ruby.
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Some speculation based on casting news:
Spoiler:
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I just assumed that it was some kind of supernatural shenanigans that were causing people to run away in fear.
The more you think about "73 Yards," the more it feels like an incomplete story. Like we only got one side of something much bigger.
As for the spoiled speculation, I could see them pulling something like that. Especially with Davies saying that the season would end on something "big" and "devastating."
Between all of the mystery... the identity of Ruby's mother or whoever left her at the church, the mystery surrounding Mrs. Flood, Susan's return being teased, the new companion being dropped in early and unceremoniously, and now Ruby's ghostly time travel ghost adventure, I'm fully expecting some kind of timey-wimey goings on.
The more you think about "73 Yards," the more it feels like an incomplete story. Like we only got one side of something much bigger.
As for the spoiled speculation, I could see them pulling something like that. Especially with Davies saying that the season would end on something "big" and "devastating."
Between all of the mystery... the identity of Ruby's mother or whoever left her at the church, the mystery surrounding Mrs. Flood, Susan's return being teased, the new companion being dropped in early and unceremoniously, and now Ruby's ghostly time travel ghost adventure, I'm fully expecting some kind of timey-wimey goings on.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor...ies_14#Filming
https://screenrant.com/doctor-who-se...explained-rtd/
Interestingly, tonight's episode "Dot and Bubble" was the 2nd episode shot, part of "block 1" of production. I wonder if it will also be Doctor-lite.
Regarding the mystery of what the old woman tells people that freaks them out, RTD says he'll never reveal it:
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi...ry-newsupdate/
Speaking on the latest episode of Doctor Who: Unleashed, Davies said when asked what the woman was saying: "You will never know. I’m never gonna tell you what she says. It’s kind of up to you to sit there and think, 'Well, what could someone say that would make a mother run away from her daughter forever?'
"You could look at yourself and think, 'What would make me do that?' And once you start to do that, you enter the real horror story. The dreadful things that are being said there, terrible things."
"You could look at yourself and think, 'What would make me do that?' And once you start to do that, you enter the real horror story. The dreadful things that are being said there, terrible things."
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In the behind-the-scenes, they note that this was the first episode shot, before the Christmas Special. Millie started her work on the show doing the montage of her aging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor...ies_14#Filming
https://screenrant.com/doctor-who-se...explained-rtd/
Interestingly, tonight's episode "Dot and Bubble" was the 2nd episode shot, part of "block 1" of production. I wonder if it will also be Doctor-lite.
Regarding the mystery of what the old woman tells people that freaks them out, RTD says he'll never reveal it:
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi...ry-newsupdate/
Which leads me to conclude he doesn't know either. He's leaving it up in the air because he knows there's no satisfactory answer, especially for the range of people the woman talks to, to get them all to react that way, so quickly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor...ies_14#Filming
https://screenrant.com/doctor-who-se...explained-rtd/
Interestingly, tonight's episode "Dot and Bubble" was the 2nd episode shot, part of "block 1" of production. I wonder if it will also be Doctor-lite.
Regarding the mystery of what the old woman tells people that freaks them out, RTD says he'll never reveal it:
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi...ry-newsupdate/
Which leads me to conclude he doesn't know either. He's leaving it up in the air because he knows there's no satisfactory answer, especially for the range of people the woman talks to, to get them all to react that way, so quickly.
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Weird having two "Doctor-lite" episodes in row so early into Gatwa's run. Whatever... I guess they have their reasons, like a scheduling conflict with the stars. Though since this is a streaming series, I would think the filming schedule would be more flexible.
As for the episode itself, it was quite good. Another Black Mirror-type story, though.
And it looks like both the Doctor and Ruby have noticed that Susan Twist keeps showing up.
As for the episode itself, it was quite good. Another Black Mirror-type story, though.
And it looks like both the Doctor and Ruby have noticed that Susan Twist keeps showing up.
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Weird having two "Doctor-lite" episodes in row so early into Gatwa's run. Whatever... I guess they have their reasons, like a scheduling conflict with the stars. Though since this is a streaming series, I would think the filming schedule would be more flexible.
As for the episode itself, it was quite good. Another Black Mirror-type story, though.
And it looks like both the Doctor and Ruby have noticed that Susan Twist keeps showing up.
As for the episode itself, it was quite good. Another Black Mirror-type story, though.
And it looks like both the Doctor and Ruby have noticed that Susan Twist keeps showing up.
I'm still not entirely sure yet about how I feel about this over-emotional doctor.
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It's been awhile since the person/people that the Doctor helps have turned out to be still be complete pieces of crap. At least the Meep was intentional deceitful. Even in the end this group had no redeeming value.
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Apparently Gatwa did have a scheduling conflict with Sex Education which is why there were two episodes where he was barely in them. But it isn't just a streaming show; it still airs on the BBC on Saturday night each week, although they could have changed the filming schedule I would think.
I think maybe putting them back-to-back may have been a bit much, but the season is so short with only 8 episodes, not counting the Christmas Special. So you have 3 episodes at the beginning with The Doctor, 2 in the middle that are Doctor-lite, and 1 Doctor-heavy episode before the 2 part finale. I'm not sure where else they could be placed. I think it'd be way too early in the season if they had scooted one forward, and you also don't want your episode right before the finale to be a Doctor-lite one either.
At least with this one, with the screens, The Doctor is in it quite a bit, but mainly on the Bubble screen. So it's not as Doctor-lite as last weeks, while also not being that hard to shoot around Ncuti and let him do a lot of his part in essentially two scenes.
Last edited by Jay G.; 06-03-24 at 10:11 AM.
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I've enjoyed this season far more than I thought I would. Ruby is my favorite companion in a long time. As much as I've liked Gatwa the last 2 episodes have been my favorites of the season so far.
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"Rogue" was a pretty good episode.
While everyone is fixating on the Doctor being gay this time around, they also subtly dropped a canon bomb in there by seemingly canonizing Richard E. Grant's Doctor from the Wilderness Years ("Curse of the Fatal Death" and "Scream of the Shalka").
I have to wonder what the implications of Grant's inclusion here is. Presumably they would have to pay him for using his likeness, so I have to wonder if Grant will be putting in an appearance in the near future...
On the negative side, I thought that the bird people, who looked like something out of a children's program, seemed out of place in what was an otherwise weighty episode.
While everyone is fixating on the Doctor being gay this time around, they also subtly dropped a canon bomb in there by seemingly canonizing Richard E. Grant's Doctor from the Wilderness Years ("Curse of the Fatal Death" and "Scream of the Shalka").
I have to wonder what the implications of Grant's inclusion here is. Presumably they would have to pay him for using his likeness, so I have to wonder if Grant will be putting in an appearance in the near future...
On the negative side, I thought that the bird people, who looked like something out of a children's program, seemed out of place in what was an otherwise weighty episode.
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I'm guessing it's more "Scream of the Shalka" Richard E. Grant, since if they made "Curse of the Fatal Death" canon there'd be a lot more Doctors to add.
Also, Richard E. Grant has been on Doctor Who before, back in 2012, so the show may have permission to use his face/likeness for still shots and such, like they do with the other likenesses of characters.
In terms of its meaning, I think it's just RTD having fun. Chris Chibnall introduced the idea that there were previously unknown incarnations of The Doctor, and Jo Martin was also featured, so this is throwing in one more.
Regarding the "bird people," from the BTS doc, it was apparently RTD that pushed for them to look like birds, and he also delights that each is a unique design, since on previous productions they'd typically only have the budget to make one generic design for an alien species, and then apply that template to all the actors, with some slight variations.
Back to "Scream of the Shalka," the original site hosting it is pretty much useless with the retirement of Flash, but I found an Internet Archive video of it. It's also available on a pretty cheap DVD.
https://archive.org/details/dw-the-s...-shalka_202009
Also, Richard E. Grant has been on Doctor Who before, back in 2012, so the show may have permission to use his face/likeness for still shots and such, like they do with the other likenesses of characters.
In terms of its meaning, I think it's just RTD having fun. Chris Chibnall introduced the idea that there were previously unknown incarnations of The Doctor, and Jo Martin was also featured, so this is throwing in one more.
Regarding the "bird people," from the BTS doc, it was apparently RTD that pushed for them to look like birds, and he also delights that each is a unique design, since on previous productions they'd typically only have the budget to make one generic design for an alien species, and then apply that template to all the actors, with some slight variations.
Back to "Scream of the Shalka," the original site hosting it is pretty much useless with the retirement of Flash, but I found an Internet Archive video of it. It's also available on a pretty cheap DVD.
https://archive.org/details/dw-the-s...-shalka_202009