Goldberg74

Kind of like the Dominion in DS9, the Vorta were the brains and the Jem’Hadar were the muscle while the Changlings ran the show.

tanman

Actually, for me, they took it just a little too far in this episode. Don't get me wrong I've absolutely loved Anson Mount's performance as Pike in SNW. Love it. But this season they've really kind of nerfed him just a tad. He's had a lot less to do this season (which is for personal reasons so that's great). But he also just hasn't had as many badass/leadership moments as he had in the first season.

Just compare his look of absolute bewilderment on this cliffhanger with Commander Riker's look of absolute determination in the Best of Both Worlds. Just a nitpick from me but that last look just didn't sit right with me.

As if. That wait was from June to September. Just 3 months. (Mine was just one day since I was catching it afterschool on syndication and even that wait was excruciating). This wait will be one year minimum and who knows how long it really will be with the strikes and the belt tightening of studios. The view of streaming being some kind of panacea is over. So who knows how the TV landscape will be changed coming out of this. Either way the wait for this resolution really sucks. I knew it was coming but still. I'm actually suggesting the friends that watch this show to just skip the finale for now and catch it before the next season.

That's an interesting take coming from you. Aren't you the one that's usually saying how Trekkers need to get that stick out of their ass and come on board with nuTrek? And didn't you just start watching TOS?

tanman

I've generally not really agreed with some folks that have commented how knowing who ends up on TOS ruins this show since they have built in plot armor. Generally I think there's plenty of stories to tell between now in the SNW timeline and when we get to TOS.

But...that being said, this episode, for me, that plot armor really stripped all the tension away in all the scenes. Did Chapel survive? Yup. Will Pike survive? Of course. Will they find the missing crew members next season. Yup. I guess the only members of the cast that don't have plot armor at this point are Pelia, Ortegas and La'an. Still a great episode. But all the tension is gone.

Meathead

They made a deal out of this being Ortegas' first away mission... I'm betting she doesn't make it.

Goldberg74

But she flies the ship.

Meathead

So does a certain swashbuckling helmsman.

Noonan

I also thought Ortega was toast when she was asked to join the away team.

Giantrobo

Ortegas has a fanbase. They are still waiting for her episode. Killing her would cause rioting.

Bandoman

It's like the contrast between Romero's slow, lumbering zombies and the newer fast zombies. They're both scary, but I think there's a better buildup of dread with the slower mindless enemy that you can outrun, but that simply doesn't stop and if it catches you, you're toast.

I initially thought that too, but there are plenty of characters we care about who could be at risk, e.g.Captain Patel. I wasn't sure about her at first, but now I'm invested and her fate isn't certain.

I'd be writing some strongly worded letters if they killed her off. I love Ortegas.

Josh-da-man

Enterprise introduced the fast Gorn-moving, didn't they?

Superman07

I didn’t even know this game existed let alone this commercial. However, given the discussion n this thread I found it quite funny. I however did not find it funny Google must have been tracking my inter webs search history to recommend it…

The Cow

^^ I had not seen that commercial before either. Love it!

tanman

That is absolute gold.

WTF is that game? Looks great. The only tie in I remember was a small downloadable arcade style game that tied in to Star Trek 2009.

The Cow

^^ Star Trek (2013 video game)

I don't remember it either. Reviews are pretty terrible.

Giantrobo

I remember the game but not that commercial.

milo bloom

We got a little behind but finally finished this off and that's a crackerjack for sure.

I can accept the one Gorn we saw in TOS being a different sub-species, we already saw that kind of thing with the Xindi on Enterprise so it could work here.

And yes we know Chapel would have survived but it's more about seeing how Spock reacts to their situation.


Very glad to see Scotty but he was way too young. This is only 5-6 years before TOS where Scotty was always assumed to be James Doohan's age at the start (44) and this actor is only 29. Same issue with Robert April (yeah, he's black now, whatever, but he's way too young also).


Anyways, this is some damn fine Trek. I mean this show and Picard S3 were some of best Trek the franchise has seen in its entire run.

RocShemp

Just chalk it all up to this being part of a third Trek timeline.

stingermck

Some the VFX may already be done as well:

https://trekmovie.com/2023/11/13/sta...n-on-season-3/

Xiroteus

Which everything having alternate timelines and multiveres I just toss it in with another timeline. So it is canon.....with that timeline. I'm not going to worry about canon as much when the show is really good.