The Sandman (Netflix) -- Based on the DC comic -- Season 1 thread -- Premieres 8/5/22
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I like how Merv Pumpkinhead has a slight, presumably intentional, claymation look to his movement, it's awesome.
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Cons:
-None really thus far other than the episodes lengths seeming to be all over the place. I feel streaming series that aren't 25-30min length should all be a solid 50-60min. This stuff were a series has 40-50min eps with 37min and other weird lengths mixed is annoying. Especially in a series like Sandman were there is so much that needs to able to breath and not get shorted. But that's just me...
-None really thus far other than the episodes lengths seeming to be all over the place. I feel streaming series that aren't 25-30min length should all be a solid 50-60min. This stuff were a series has 40-50min eps with 37min and other weird lengths mixed is annoying. Especially in a series like Sandman were there is so much that needs to able to breath and not get shorted. But that's just me...
The breakdown is, roughly:
Episode 1 - Issue 1
Episode 2 - Issue 2
Episode 3 - Issue 3 (plus new Ethel/John Dee material, expanded from Issues 2 & 5)
Episode 4 - Issues 4 & 5
Episode 5 - Issues 6 & 7
Episode 6 - Issues 8 & 13
That's all I've watched up to so far.
So as you can see, the only significantly short episode, episode 2, only covers one issue, while the rest either add in new material, or combine issues. So they're letting the material have room to breath, but the somewhat irregularity of the original source material's stories is playing a role.
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Re: The Sandman (Netflix) -- Based on the DC comic -- Season 1 thread -- Premieres 8/5/22
Yeah I guess, fair enough.
As mentioned..The short ep reminded me of other series that do this. So the criticism wasn't all about Sandman or even a major critique.
As mentioned..The short ep reminded me of other series that do this. So the criticism wasn't all about Sandman or even a major critique.
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Watched the first episode of this last night with my fiancée. Thought it was pretty good overall. She’s read a chunk of the stories and has some of the trades.
I had always heard it was a good series but never got around to reading it. I read the first chapter of volume one last night and felt the episode was pretty faithful but had some changes.
Probably will keep on reading through the trades and watching the show.
I had always heard it was a good series but never got around to reading it. I read the first chapter of volume one last night and felt the episode was pretty faithful but had some changes.
Probably will keep on reading through the trades and watching the show.
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This was a hit for me. Some of the plot was goofy. The meandering philosophical discussions and situations made me feel and were the highlight.
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I watched a little bit of this on Saturday night and the Sandman did his job. I was asleep within minutes.
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Loving this so far but it seems to be generating little “buzz” - look at this dead thread! - which is a worry as I really hope for a season 2. It’s astoundingly faithful to the comics but not in the way that the 2009 Watchmen movie was which drained a lot of the life out of it and felt like a cover song version.
I wish Netflix would stop the stupid drop all episodes model, I think week by week is a far better way to generate momentum. But I’m old.
I wish Netflix would stop the stupid drop all episodes model, I think week by week is a far better way to generate momentum. But I’m old.
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I thought this would be terrible, but I loved it and ended up binging the last 5 episodes all at once. Looking forward to season 2.
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I'm torn. I binged the first 6 episodes yesterday, and while I really liked the first 4, the diner episode REALLY dragged around, and now the plot seems to just be meandering about. Feels like the show completely lost momentum.
Plus I'm not really a fan of the lead actor, or his anime haircut.
Plus I'm not really a fan of the lead actor, or his anime haircut.
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Loving this so far but it seems to be generating little “buzz” - look at this dead thread! - which is a worry as I really hope for a season 2.
I wish Netflix would stop the stupid drop all episodes model, I think week by week is a far better way to generate momentum. But I’m old.
I wish Netflix would stop the stupid drop all episodes model, I think week by week is a far better way to generate momentum. But I’m old.
Yeah that's a drawback on them releasing all eps at once. Not saying that's the only reason buzz is dead, but it's a big one.
I've been listening to Sandman Series related Podcasts discussions to get me through it since hardly anyone here is talking about it.
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Episode 6 was probably the best episode of tv I’ve watched this year, managing to adapt two of my favourite Sandman comics of all time flawlessly.
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Never having read the comics. I'm liking this a lot so far 3 episodes in and I will probably finish it today (after the Mets game).
Whoever is playing Constantine is very damn pretty. Don't think I've seen her anywhere else. I want more of her... =)
Whoever is playing Constantine is very damn pretty. Don't think I've seen her anywhere else. I want more of her... =)
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I'm very impressed by the look and cast of the show, I'm just nervous about it not going forward and covering the entire comic book series the same way Game Of Thrones (until they ran out) covered all the novels. While there were absolute fantastic issues like "The Sound Of Her Wings" and Hob Gadling's story, the first year or so of The Sandman comic is very rough, like Season 1 of Seinfeld rough. I'd be really bummed out if they got this incredible team together who can make this fantastic show, but them never getting to make Seasons of Mist or Brief Lives ect..
I've never wanted a series to continue on more than this.
I've never wanted a series to continue on more than this.
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I finished the season, and I was very happy with the back half. While I understand the talk about the comic itself being a bit rough and taking its time to find its feet. I think the show streamlined the narrative and polished off the rough edges, while being faithful to the core story and what made it work in the comics. I think anyone who's read the comics should be very satisfied with the adaptation, but I think newcomers will like it too.
That's Jenna Coleman. She's in several seasons of Dr. Who, and the titular star of the show Victoria.
That's Jenna Coleman. She's in several seasons of Dr. Who, and the titular star of the show Victoria.
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I think if they can keep up the momentum, and I hope they do, seasons would break down like this:
Season 1: Preludes & Nocturnes, The Doll's House
Season 2: Doll's House Prologue (Nada), Seasons of Mist, A Game of You, some Dream Country (Shakespeare)
Season 3: Brief Lives, some Fables and Reflections (Orpheus)
Season 4: The Kindly Ones and a shortened version of The Wake
I'd be surprised if we see all of Dreak Country, all of Fables and Reflections, or even any of World's End. Maybe one episode with truncated tales leading to the last scene of the last issue foreshadowing The Wake, but otherwise this would be four seasons, maybe five, and I'll take whatever they have for us.
Alternative five season version:
Season 1: Preludes & Nocturnes, The Doll's House
Season 2: Doll's House prolonged (Nada), Seasons of Mist, Dream Country (Shakespeare)
Season 3: A Game of You, some Fables and Reflections (Orpheus)
Season 4: Brief Lives, some World's End
Season 5: The Kindly Ones and a shortened version of The Wake
Season 1: Preludes & Nocturnes, The Doll's House
Season 2: Doll's House Prologue (Nada), Seasons of Mist, A Game of You, some Dream Country (Shakespeare)
Season 3: Brief Lives, some Fables and Reflections (Orpheus)
Season 4: The Kindly Ones and a shortened version of The Wake
I'd be surprised if we see all of Dreak Country, all of Fables and Reflections, or even any of World's End. Maybe one episode with truncated tales leading to the last scene of the last issue foreshadowing The Wake, but otherwise this would be four seasons, maybe five, and I'll take whatever they have for us.
Alternative five season version:
Season 1: Preludes & Nocturnes, The Doll's House
Season 2: Doll's House prolonged (Nada), Seasons of Mist, Dream Country (Shakespeare)
Season 3: A Game of You, some Fables and Reflections (Orpheus)
Season 4: Brief Lives, some World's End
Season 5: The Kindly Ones and a shortened version of The Wake
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I finished the season, and I was very happy with the back half. While I understand the talk about the comic itself being a bit rough and taking its time to find its feet. I think the show streamlined the narrative and polished off the rough edges, while being faithful to the core story and what made it work in the comics. I think anyone who's read the comics should be very satisfied with the adaptation, but I think newcomers will like it too.
That's Jenna Coleman. She's in several seasons of Dr. Who, and the titular star of the show Victoria.
That's Jenna Coleman. She's in several seasons of Dr. Who, and the titular star of the show Victoria.
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I think if they can keep up the momentum, and I hope they do, seasons would break down like this:
Season 1: Preludes & Nocturnes, The Doll's House
Season 2: Doll's House Prologue (Nada), Seasons of Mist, A Game of You, some Dream Country (Shakespeare)
Season 3: Brief Lives, some Fables and Reflections (Orpheus)
Season 4: The Kindly Ones and a shortened version of The Wake
Season 1: Preludes & Nocturnes, The Doll's House
Season 2: Doll's House Prologue (Nada), Seasons of Mist, A Game of You, some Dream Country (Shakespeare)
Season 3: Brief Lives, some Fables and Reflections (Orpheus)
Season 4: The Kindly Ones and a shortened version of The Wake
I think they could pull this off in four seasons quite easily.
Seaon One: Preludes & Nocturnes and The Doll's House.
Season Two: A Season of Mists (with "Tales from the Sand" folded into it) and A Game of You. And they could, possibly, use "A Midsummer Night's Dream" as a midseason breather the way "The Sound of Her Wings" and "Men of Good Fortune" was used in season one. Could probably get a ten episode season out of it -- 5-1-4.
Season Three: Brief Lives (with "Thermidoor" and "The Song of Orpheus" folded into it) and World's End. Since the latter book is about a disparate group of travelers stranded in an inn during a storm, some of the shorts from Dream Country and Fables & Reflections could be included in the stories the travelers tell if they so choose. Brief Lives is a long road trip story, and including two extra shorts in it would likely balloon the time, but they could probably do 6-4 or 7-3, depending on how many shorts they want to include in World's End. They could do two shorts per episode; the Prez one probably wouldn't be included since it's DC-centric, and only one of the short stories from World's End is really germane to the greater story.
Season Four: The Kindly Ones and The Wake, with "The Tempest" serving as an epilogue. This could probably go 6-3-1, or 7-2-1 since The Kindly Ones is an even longer arc than Brief Lives.
I suppose they could do an animated spin-off series in the vein of Love Death + Robots that would make short films out of certain short stories from Dream Country and Fables and Reflections, like "Dream of a Thousand Cats" and "Ramadan." Those two stories, in particular, would be budget busters if done in live action. "Parliament of Rooks" would work well as an animated entry, too.
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Death is fine too... Loving the casting on this so far.
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I'm torn. I binged the first 6 episodes yesterday, and while I really liked the first 4, the diner episode REALLY dragged around, and now the plot seems to just be meandering about. Feels like the show completely lost momentum.
Plus I'm not really a fan of the lead actor, or his anime haircut.
Plus I'm not really a fan of the lead actor, or his anime haircut.
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So, for anyone watching the show that hasn't read the comics, episodes 1-5 are one major story arc, episode 6 is a sort of denouement/standalone/break between major arcs, and episodes 7-10 are another story arc. The second story arc is faster paced and a bit more focused, so if you stopped at episode 6 because you thought the show was slow/unfocused, give the final episodes a shot.
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I finally finished the series and really enjoyed it. I was a huge fan of the comic (I started buying the monthly floppies in 1990 starting with Season of Mists) and have reread the whole thing countless times. I bumped into some of the character and storyline changes a bit, but understand how most of it was necessary. It honestly turned out better than I could have expected, I can't wait for season two as Season of Mists is one of my favorites (along with Brief Lives) but am worried that it won't happen if this doesn't do as well for Netflix as they were hoping. I really need to see Destiny, Delirium and the prodigal (I still remember reading the letter columns in the comics where readers were trying to predict who that would be, lots of "D" names were being thrown around ).
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