Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
#76
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
Yeah, if Francesca was working with the Feds - she wouldn't be trying to shake them off her tail when she was driving. It wouldn't make sense for her to do that when there's no one around she needs to fake concern about being followed.
#77
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
There's another great shot that shows a birdseye view of the man made grave at the end of the Walt/Jesse scene that transitions into Gene lying in his bed. Essentially saying Saul/Gene/Jimmy is digging his own grave. Upon a second viewing, I think the transitioning of scenes from the BB world to the Gene world was done quite well in this episode.
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#78
Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
Gene flipping out on the phone reminded me in Goodfellas when Karen flushed the drugs down the toilet and Henry was flipping out because that was all their money.
- He was on the phone asking about all the places he had 'stashed' money and his assistant said it was all gone
#79
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
Saul bought that gaudy McMansion in the four years between his break up with Kim and meeting Walt. It's safe to assume he got his Sandpiper money in that time.
#80
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
Doesn't he have a sack full of diamonds that he took with him (and a boatload of cash that Francesca mentions)? I think there was even a Gene scene reminding us of them a season or two ago.
I don't think he is hurting for money as much as he hates seeing all that work he did and was so proud of get blown up. Also, I think the scams (mall, identity theft) are Saul Goodman's form of going on a bender. Whatever he heard on the call to Kim triggered him into craving another fix. I think the money and the hookers are little more than a scorecard to keep track of "progress" but not necessarily something he really enjoys. That's why he ran the mall scam even though it was weirdly small potatoes for a man of Saul's abilities and the risk he was taking. And yes, it also eliminated the cab driver potentially turning him in, but the actual size of the payoff wasn't all that important to him.
I don't think he is hurting for money as much as he hates seeing all that work he did and was so proud of get blown up. Also, I think the scams (mall, identity theft) are Saul Goodman's form of going on a bender. Whatever he heard on the call to Kim triggered him into craving another fix. I think the money and the hookers are little more than a scorecard to keep track of "progress" but not necessarily something he really enjoys. That's why he ran the mall scam even though it was weirdly small potatoes for a man of Saul's abilities and the risk he was taking. And yes, it also eliminated the cab driver potentially turning him in, but the actual size of the payoff wasn't all that important to him.
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#81
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
Doesn't he have a sack full of diamonds that he took with him (and a boatload of cash that Francesca mentions)? I think there was even a Gene scene reminding us of them a season or two ago.
I don't think he is hurting for money as much as he hates seeing all that work he did and was so proud of get blown up. Also, I think the scams (mall, identity theft) are Saul Goodman's form of going on a bender. Whatever he heard on the call to Kim triggered him into craving another fix. I think the money and the hookers are little more than a scorecard to keep track of "progress" but not necessarily something he really enjoys. That's why he ran the mall scam even though it was weirdly small potatoes for a man of Saul's abilities and the risk he was taking. And yes, it also eliminated the cab driver potentially turning him in, but the actual size of the payoff wasn't all that important to him.
I don't think he is hurting for money as much as he hates seeing all that work he did and was so proud of get blown up. Also, I think the scams (mall, identity theft) are Saul Goodman's form of going on a bender. Whatever he heard on the call to Kim triggered him into craving another fix. I think the money and the hookers are little more than a scorecard to keep track of "progress" but not necessarily something he really enjoys. That's why he ran the mall scam even though it was weirdly small potatoes for a man of Saul's abilities and the risk he was taking. And yes, it also eliminated the cab driver potentially turning him in, but the actual size of the payoff wasn't all that important to him.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
#83
Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
BB IMO never got artsy or self indulgent, but BCS has in the last 2 episodes. They have sucked and are a complete waste of time
This episode sucked balls. And was Uber boring.
Also, the show actually NEVER really showed Jimmy transition to Saul even up to the point Kim dumped him. He was arguably mote morally good than she was at this time. Saul is evil in BB and in these last episodes but they never actually made the case for why
This episode sucked balls. And was Uber boring.
Also, the show actually NEVER really showed Jimmy transition to Saul even up to the point Kim dumped him. He was arguably mote morally good than she was at this time. Saul is evil in BB and in these last episodes but they never actually made the case for why
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#84
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
That's a good point. The crux of BCS was to answer how this guy Jimmy McGill could morph into sleazeball criminal lawyer Saul Goodman. Seems the real transition only took a minute of screen time: Kim leaves him, and cut to 4 years later <poof> sleazeball criminal lawyer Saul Goodman everybody. While he had certainly gone through a lot prior to that moment he wasn't all that far removed from the guy he was in season 1. I'm not even criticizing how it was done, but it is interesting nonetheless.
#85
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
I don't think there's any single event that made Saul Goodman. He's always been on a destructive path; like Chuck said, he's like a chimp with a machine gun.
As for Kim, I doubt her phone would be bugged, or that the Feds would have much interest in her. She was out of his life well before Heisenberg became active. They might have questioned her, but I think they have some pretty rigid rules for getting phone taps, so, without some kind of suspicion or probable cause, so getting a warrant to tap her phone probably wouldn't happen.
As for Kim, I doubt her phone would be bugged, or that the Feds would have much interest in her. She was out of his life well before Heisenberg became active. They might have questioned her, but I think they have some pretty rigid rules for getting phone taps, so, without some kind of suspicion or probable cause, so getting a warrant to tap her phone probably wouldn't happen.
#86
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
I don't think the transition to Saul was that sudden. It was a slow process, brought about by many factors : the reckless disregard and open disdain for laws and expectations that were inconvenient for Jimmy McGill, the bitter resentment that he felt towards his brother Chuck, his misplaced guilt manifested as anger over Chuck's death, his love of the long con. Kim kept him grounded, kept him from giving into his worst impulses - until she didn't and then until she goaded him on. Once she left, he had no more tether, no moral compass, no reason to show a conscience any more. Whatever empathy he possessed just died. He became amoral, and that's what Saul is - a hollow shell who doesn't really care about anyone or anything besides self preservation.
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uteotw (08-03-22)
#87
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
I just hope the final episode isn't some BS like Saul has visions of all the people whose deaths he had some part in like Chuck, Howard, Nacho, Lalo, and Mike.
#89
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
I don't get these final b/w episodes. They seem mostly pointless.
Will this show just end with the conclusion that Jimmy turned into an irredeemable asshole? Even if he's scheming to help someone, he's just so unlikable now, I don't rally care.
Will this show just end with the conclusion that Jimmy turned into an irredeemable asshole? Even if he's scheming to help someone, he's just so unlikable now, I don't rally care.
#90
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
That's a good point. The crux of BCS was to answer how this guy Jimmy McGill could morph into sleazeball criminal lawyer Saul Goodman. Seems the real transition only took a minute of screen time: Kim leaves him, and cut to 4 years later <poof> sleazeball criminal lawyer Saul Goodman everybody. While he had certainly gone through a lot prior to that moment he wasn't all that far removed from the guy he was in season 1. I'm not even criticizing how it was done, but it is interesting nonetheless.
#91
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
From this meta-reading of the episode off reddit that I think makes great sense of this "pointlessness"...
Something to keep in mind here is that BCS has always had ten episodes a season. Each episode number had its own corresponding intro, ten in total that degraded over the course of the show. The natural arc of this is that the tenth episode of the final season should logically be the final episode. And if you saw Nippy and were told that it was the series finale, you'd probably believe it. Regardless of what you think of the quality of the episode, the last plot threads were pretty solidly wrapped up in this one. The resolution to the Jeff plotline was several seasons in the making, and we see Gene dip back into the Slippin' Jimmy/Saul lifestyle to get himself out of one last jam. When confronting the Jimmy/Saul outfit in the store, he hangs it back up on the rack. That part of his life changed him to an unbelievable degree, but he got past it. It's over now. He's at peace.
So after all that, a happy ending? No. There's an eleventh episode.
Gene doesn't know the rules of his own show. He can't recognize the natural conclusion. He keeps playing the tape, even though there's no more tape to play. We're out of intros. We just get a corrupted VHS mess as he drags this out a bit longer and dips back in.
In the same way, we're sort of in Gene's shoes. We know there's three episodes left. And we have other questions. Probably at the forefront of our minds is: Where are Walt and Jesse? We were told they'd be here. Now, to be clear, the show works without them. There's no explicit reason to dive back into that storyline. There's a whole other show for that. But we'd like to see them all the same. We're curious, itching to go back to that time of our lives. Just like Gene. And that's what we get. The instant the show moves past its obvious conclusion, we get "Breaking Bad" and a flashback to a scene with Walt and Jesse that we've already seen. We're getting exactly what we want.
Gene plays a slightly different, but related game. He goes and makes the phone call that attentive viewers have been waiting for since season 4. We want answers, and so does he. But Francesca doesn't have anything to give him. Because really, there's no reason for him to be calling. He can't go back to Albuquerque. And there's no one there that he cares about. He's initially punished by learning that his money is gone, which he could have lived the rest of his life without knowing had he just let the story end. But now it's in his head. And the phone call's almost over. And he doesn't want it to be over. So he starts reaching, asking questions about arbitrary side characters and dropping a few names that that plenty of us don't even remember. Francesca even looks confused as to why he's asking, and she doesn't really have the answers because she hasn't thought about it. While we were watching, my friend described this scene as "the fans calling Vince to ask him about fan theories," and we laughed at the time, but the more we thought about it, the more we realized that's pretty much what it was. Gene's just trying to wrap up loose ends that never needed to be wrapped up, even spinning a "Bill Oakley is gay" fan theory that doesn't pan out. The show is over. There are no more loose ends.
Well, that's not quite true. There's one. Interestingly, Gene forgets to ask about it, implying he's forgotten about it and has moved on. But Pandora's Box is open now. And Francesca, almost out of pity for not being able to give Gene anything, lets him know the one thing that's left: that Kim called. Gene probably could have gone the rest of his life without tugging on the Kim thread, and he almost does. But he goes back, because, as the Breaking Bad flashbacks and his return to con artistry and his return to the house and the existence of the episode itself show, he can't quite leave well enough alone. And he calls Kim, which inevitably goes poorly. And the sunk costs of all the work he's done wash over him in one big wave, and he spirals back into something that's almost guaranteed to go poorly as well.
There was no reason for him to make that call except to be reminded that he'd lost his money, his legacy, and, most likely, his wife, forever. If he'd just gone about his life having moved on from those things and leaving the Kim plotline uncertain, he'd probably have been fine. But like Chuck said, our precious Jimmy just can't keep his hands out of the cash drawer. Maybe that's not always who he always was, and maybe that's not who he was destined to be. But it's who he is now, and he refuses to accept that there's nothing left from his old life, even when all signs point to that being the case. And when confronted with harsh, inescapable reality, he slips.
Both Gene and the audience want to squeeze out a little bit more. We want to bring color back into this black and white world, stretch the show out with a small dose of nostalgia for the good times. Running cons, watching Breaking Bad. It's fun. And it's not useless. We'll get a little money, a little dopamine boost, even some extra character development and depth to the Breaking Bad universe. But those things were always hiding darker secrets, and bringing them back comes at a cost.
So after all that, a happy ending? No. There's an eleventh episode.
Gene doesn't know the rules of his own show. He can't recognize the natural conclusion. He keeps playing the tape, even though there's no more tape to play. We're out of intros. We just get a corrupted VHS mess as he drags this out a bit longer and dips back in.
In the same way, we're sort of in Gene's shoes. We know there's three episodes left. And we have other questions. Probably at the forefront of our minds is: Where are Walt and Jesse? We were told they'd be here. Now, to be clear, the show works without them. There's no explicit reason to dive back into that storyline. There's a whole other show for that. But we'd like to see them all the same. We're curious, itching to go back to that time of our lives. Just like Gene. And that's what we get. The instant the show moves past its obvious conclusion, we get "Breaking Bad" and a flashback to a scene with Walt and Jesse that we've already seen. We're getting exactly what we want.
Gene plays a slightly different, but related game. He goes and makes the phone call that attentive viewers have been waiting for since season 4. We want answers, and so does he. But Francesca doesn't have anything to give him. Because really, there's no reason for him to be calling. He can't go back to Albuquerque. And there's no one there that he cares about. He's initially punished by learning that his money is gone, which he could have lived the rest of his life without knowing had he just let the story end. But now it's in his head. And the phone call's almost over. And he doesn't want it to be over. So he starts reaching, asking questions about arbitrary side characters and dropping a few names that that plenty of us don't even remember. Francesca even looks confused as to why he's asking, and she doesn't really have the answers because she hasn't thought about it. While we were watching, my friend described this scene as "the fans calling Vince to ask him about fan theories," and we laughed at the time, but the more we thought about it, the more we realized that's pretty much what it was. Gene's just trying to wrap up loose ends that never needed to be wrapped up, even spinning a "Bill Oakley is gay" fan theory that doesn't pan out. The show is over. There are no more loose ends.
Well, that's not quite true. There's one. Interestingly, Gene forgets to ask about it, implying he's forgotten about it and has moved on. But Pandora's Box is open now. And Francesca, almost out of pity for not being able to give Gene anything, lets him know the one thing that's left: that Kim called. Gene probably could have gone the rest of his life without tugging on the Kim thread, and he almost does. But he goes back, because, as the Breaking Bad flashbacks and his return to con artistry and his return to the house and the existence of the episode itself show, he can't quite leave well enough alone. And he calls Kim, which inevitably goes poorly. And the sunk costs of all the work he's done wash over him in one big wave, and he spirals back into something that's almost guaranteed to go poorly as well.
There was no reason for him to make that call except to be reminded that he'd lost his money, his legacy, and, most likely, his wife, forever. If he'd just gone about his life having moved on from those things and leaving the Kim plotline uncertain, he'd probably have been fine. But like Chuck said, our precious Jimmy just can't keep his hands out of the cash drawer. Maybe that's not always who he always was, and maybe that's not who he was destined to be. But it's who he is now, and he refuses to accept that there's nothing left from his old life, even when all signs point to that being the case. And when confronted with harsh, inescapable reality, he slips.
Both Gene and the audience want to squeeze out a little bit more. We want to bring color back into this black and white world, stretch the show out with a small dose of nostalgia for the good times. Running cons, watching Breaking Bad. It's fun. And it's not useless. We'll get a little money, a little dopamine boost, even some extra character development and depth to the Breaking Bad universe. But those things were always hiding darker secrets, and bringing them back comes at a cost.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
#93
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
The thing is that the show IS over, only Jimmy doesn't know it.
From this meta-reading of the episode off reddit that I think makes great sense of this "pointlessness"...
From this meta-reading of the episode off reddit that I think makes great sense of this "pointlessness"...
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Jason Bovberg (08-05-22)
#94
Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
I wish I could find where I read this but the main idea was that Saul entered the frame when he justified Howard's murder as being Lalo's fault. Even though Kim went through with the lie, she felt remorse. Jimmy did not. After that, murder was an acceptable option for Jimmy and he was finally Saul Goodman.
#95
Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
The thing is that the show IS over, only Jimmy doesn't know it.
From this meta-reading of the episode off reddit that I think makes great sense of this "pointlessness"...
From this meta-reading of the episode off reddit that I think makes great sense of this "pointlessness"...
#96
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
He's been turning into Saul for years, from the very first episode defending the dumbass kids who skull fucked a corpse in the morgue.
#97
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
And there will always be people who despise it because it didn't play out the way they felt it should.
#98
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
I'd like to have seen a little more too, but all the signs were there already. Kim was able to turn a blind eye to a lot of it, but Howard's murder was a bridge too far. I wonder how she may have justified it if it hadn't happened right in front of her?
#99
Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
Well that is not me. I have really no expectation of how it should play out but I actually thought it would end up with Kim and Saul back together. I think this season has been very strong overall I just think the Gene episodes are not very good so far. And to me they seem self indulgent, but we will see how it ends.
#100
Re: Better Call Saul (S6E011) - "Breaking Bad" - 8/1/22
Saul is not evil, he's amoral. He's always been amoral. He has a soft spot for the downtrodden (the elderly, the poor, the outsiders) and is willing to take shortcuts to help them because he likes "sticking it to The Man". The throwaway line about the truck driver with the broken neck? He was going to get the guy money regardless of injury, it's just easier for him now.
He's been turning into Saul for years, from the very first episode defending the dumbass kids who skull fucked a corpse in the morgue.
He's been turning into Saul for years, from the very first episode defending the dumbass kids who skull fucked a corpse in the morgue.



