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Old 07-12-24, 12:51 PM
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

Renewed for a 2nd season with a new case
Gyllenhaal will stay as a credited EP. But, Variety has not confirmed if the Rusty character will have a part of season 2 or not.

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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

Okay, well that is something I would never have expected.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

I’m onto ep 5 right now and this show has been great until episode 5.
I hope it’s not getting dumb and is too many episodes.

Dont care for The Guy from the bar and Jake’s character going to the other guys’ house.

Show is losing me.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

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Well they continue to wildly deviant from the book. Didn't expect that last courtroom surprise at all. Didn't buy it either. That's old L.A. Law David E Kelley theatrics right there. Good episode, overall though.
Yeah, that was definitely some “90s Network Television Drama” type nonsense. Which is a shame because up until that point, this series didn’t feel anything like a cliché ridden courtroom drama.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

Was anyone surprised by what happened at the end of that episode?
I wasn’t.
Been telegraphed the whole series. Was just a matter of when.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

I'm about to start episode 7. I think the evidence will all come down to one word:
Spoiler:
"Similar."

The rope ties were similar.


When she said that and everyone just left it there, it became obvious that is a critical piece of evidence.

Here we go. Witness...
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^^ Regarding your spoiler - 100% agree. I caught that verbiage when it was spoken in ep 3 or so... it was a critical moment in the show.

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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

Originally Posted by whotony
I’m onto ep 5 right now and this show has been great until episode 5.
I hope it’s not getting dumb and is too many episodes.

Dont care for The Guy from the bar and Jake’s character going to the other guys’ house.

Show is losing me.
Same. I really hope it doesn't end with a cliffhanger; if it does I'm probably out.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

I haven’t watched the newest episode yet but I hope it doesn’t turn out
Spoiler:
that Rusty’s son is the killer and Rusty takes the fall for him
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

Last few eps it looks like they’re trying to point us at
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Tommy Molto which means it probably isn’t him.
We’ve seen him be inappropriate with the dead Woman or at least her acting very uncomfortable by his actions..
Complaints about someone at work. Some other signs.

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This has been a pretty good show so far. I don't know anything about the source material so it's all fresh to me with nothing to compare to. I hope they at least end it in a way so that we know what happened, rather than just knowing the outcome of the case. Like is often the case with L&O episodes. You see the ruling, but they leave it open on if the person actually was the killer.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

They will wrap up the case next week for sure. Next season will be a different case. Rusty may or may not be involved in next year's story, they haven't said yet.
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Does the actor playing the more senior prosecutor have a lisp or is that just his American accent? I think he's British? Sounds like Fabian from Archer.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

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Does the actor playing the more senior prosecutor have a lisp or is that just his American accent? I think he's British? Sounds like Fabian from Archer.
He's British and his American accent doesn't sound like that. He's affected the douchiest accent possible.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

Oh, so it's on purpose for this role?
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

I'm enjoying The Ringer's podcast on this series. I think Bill Simmons nails it with this Tweet.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

Anyone else have any thoughts on the Finale? I don't want to ruin it, so behind spoilers here (with discussion of book and movie as well).
Spoiler:
Wow, they did change the ending. For those unaware, Barbara did it in the book and movie (just snapped in the movie, premeditated frame up of Rusty in the book). And in neither did Rusty (or anyone) tie Carolyn up after death. That is just such a weird change. And of course the thought that a 16 year old girl could clean a crime scene after committing a murder so well that CSI couldn't extract ANY evidence, either in her home, in the car or at Rusty's place (and also cleaned the murder weapon spotless). It just doesn't make a lick of common sense.
That said, the way they lead book readers to think they were revealing Barbara as the killer before doing the switcheroo was pretty nifty.


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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

I plan to watch the finale tonight. I'm caught up except for the finale.

I'm torn on DEK's take on this story so far. He likes doing things over-the-top when it comes to legal dramas - the collapse of his former boss defending him in trial and the inevitable Rusty defending himself for examples. Pretty

I think Jake did a great job as Rusty. The rest - not so sure about.
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Finally something that ENDs and does it well.

Really liked this overall.
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I never read the book or saw the movie and even did everything I could to avoid the Wikipedia article on both. I really enjoyed this series and thought it had a satisfying ending. I had my suspicions about the ultimate "Oh, THAT'S what happened!" by the middle of episode 6, and that lingered with me into episode 7 and on. I think my hunch about that key word kinda played a key role, but not too much. That's a nice touch, to have a handful of suspects, motives, leads, pieces of evidence, etc. that you ultimately have the chance to keep guessing until the ending (both endings, the courtroom and epilogue). Yeah, I liked this and it didn't feel drawn out but a good length.

Not sure where they'd take a second season, but certainly this sort of approach to the legal thriller worked for me, and I say that without being a huge legal thriller fan.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

I thought this was a terrific show and had the right ending.
Has been decades(?) since I’ve seen the movie so had no memory of that.

Spoiler:
thinking about the last 3 eps and remembering some of what we see of the person who did it I think the clues while subtle are there.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

Originally Posted by Red Dog
I plan to watch the finale tonight. I'm caught up except for the finale.

I'm torn on DEK's take on this story so far. He likes doing things over-the-top when it comes to legal dramas - the collapse of his former boss defending him in trial and the inevitable Rusty defending himself for examples. Pretty

I think Jake did a great job as Rusty. The rest - not so sure about.
Watched it. I had it pegged - 2-3 eps ago with the way it was going. Simply because I recognize the DEK fakes through many legal shows.

This was okay. So drawn out. As I said, Jake was great. The rest - not so much.

The movie and novel are so much better.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

Originally Posted by Noonan
Does the actor playing the more senior prosecutor have a lisp or is that just his American accent? I think he's British? Sounds like Fabian from Archer.
It's hard to imagine someone with that kind of vocalization getting elected to office in this country. It was hard to believe.

I didn't like the Molto characterization in this either. Granted, in the movie, he comes off as more of an idiot.
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Re: Presumed Innocent (Apple TV+) -- EP David E. Kelley, S: Jake Gyllenhaal -- premieres 6/12/24

Ending took us by surprise. Didn't pick up on any subtle clues. Enjoyed this series quite a bit.
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Good ending, IMO. The garage scene was acted excellently by both Jake and his wife.
Spoiler:
I fully went from thinking it was the wife, to thinking Rusty was a COMPLETE psychopath, to realizing the truth. The actress playing the wife was outstanding when she realized the daughter was the killer.




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