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Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

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Old 10-21-19, 06:00 PM
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Thought it was good, not great, but I’m definitely in this for the haul and I think it will just get better as it goes along.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Sure. But if you read the post people are also talking about properly lighting black people.... thanks though.
I first noticed that in porn with dark-skinned African-American women. The lighting misses out on a lot of, lets just say "detail."

But in a broader context, there's been a trend for a lot of programming to be shot really, really dark. The "Battle of Winterfell" episode of Game of Thrones is an example of that.

And I mentioned Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, where almost every goddamned indoor shot is so dark that the blacks are crushed and there's not shadow detail. There's a close-up of someone wearing dark clothes in a dark room, and all you can see is a shadowy face against a diffuse, murky background.

And there's a lot of other random stuff, too, where there will be a dark scene where you can't tell what the fuck is going on, regardless of the race of the actors involved.

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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Originally Posted by Giantrobo


Ya'll have no idea how big a deal this is. Most of the time Black Folks aren't properly lit. Same goes with their makeup. You can't *properly* light a white person and dark skinned person the same way.
That never occurred to me until several months ago when my mom was showing me her high school yearbook. You couldn't even make out the faces of the black kids in her class, because as you say, everything was lit for taking pictures of white kids. I felt really bad for the families who couldn't even have a nice photographic record of their kids in school. So yeah, this is really nice to see in the show.
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It's raining squid. You have to wonder what Veidt is up to.

Thought it was interesting- it played sort of like a western. I liked it.

One criticism towards HBO- they really need to do something about their filming of dark/night scenes. The amount of banding/compression artifacts in this was atrocious, just as bad as it was in the White Walker episode of GoT last season. They need to get their shit together, and I'm not sure what the issue is. If HBO Max ultimately offers 4k/HDR maybe things will improve. No other network I know of has problems like this with their streaming content, at least not to this extent.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

I liked it.
And yes, the lighting/cinematography was good. (I could only watch Sabrina on one TV in my house because that was the only room dark enough to see a darn thing.)
I'm a little confused, and definitely disappointed in the very ending (as in, I didn't want that to happen, but I knew it was going to.)
But very intrigued and looking forward to the rest, especially after the 'this season on Watchmen' at the end.

Only thing I'm trying to connect in my head is
Spoiler:
if the Kavalry are the "descendants"/followers of Rorschach's writings, how did his journal get twisted like that? Not that he wasn't messed up, as was his journal, but I saw him as more of a nihilistic depressive misanthrope than a racist. But then, if something like the New Frontiersman published it, then it gets retold or passed on virally or via an even more underground or "alt" source, I guess I can see the evolution.


Regarding the servants:
Spoiler:
I could totally see them being androids or robots or something, especially with the name of the play that the Lord of a Country House wrote.
Old 10-21-19, 10:48 PM
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Originally Posted by starseed1981
I thought this was awful. A case of a rare instant miss for HBO. Lindelof strikes again.
Sometimes an inadvertent aside is very telling. You just told us you were dead set convinced it would be awful because you're still butt-hurt over the LOST finale.
You could like it, or not, but this was in no way "awful".
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

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Sometimes an inadvertent aside is very telling. You just told us you were dead set convinced it would be awful because you're still butt-hurt over the LOST finale.
You could like it, or not, but this was in no way "awful".
Really? I don't remember saying that about the Lost finale.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Originally Posted by starseed1981
Really? I don't remember saying that about the Lost finale.
Okay I will bite : What does 'Lindeloff strikes again' mean? This show was nothing like either LOST or The Leftovers besides I suppose introducing you to a world where there is a lot not explained to you up front They are all very different shows besides that.
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Okay I will bite : What does 'Lindeloff strikes again' mean? This show was nothing like either LOST or The Leftovers besides I suppose introducing you to a world where there is a lot not explained to you up front They are all very different shows besides that.
Relax. This isn't a forum from the early 2000's. Nobody is trying to bait you with a comment. For me, Damon's work is hit (Lost / The Leftovers) and miss (Prometheus / Tomorrowland). That's all. My OPINION is that this is already a miss. It's not for me. And that's ok. I'm glad other people like it.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

If you haven't already, check out the files at the link below - TONS of back-story, filling in the time between the graphic novel and the series...

https://www.hbo.com/peteypedia
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

And did anyone else feel that the outfit color choices here were a little on-the-nose?

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Though that would involve a lot of ret-conning, as Black Hood was supposedly killed by the Comedian, and also, he was supposed to be a German circus performer, who sympathized with the Nazis pre-WWII - though that could be a good cover
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Originally Posted by tonyc3742
I liked it.
And yes, the lighting/cinematography was good. (I could only watch Sabrina on one TV in my house because that was the only room dark enough to see a darn thing.)
I'm a little confused, and definitely disappointed in the very ending (as in, I didn't want that to happen, but I knew it was going to.)
But very intrigued and looking forward to the rest, especially after the 'this season on Watchmen' at the end.

Spoiler:

Maybe the old guy has some info on Johnson's character not being a good guy? I see people speculating that the 7th Cavalry and the Cops are in league with each other...like how White Supremacy groups and Cpps are in our world...


Only thing I'm trying to connect in my head is
Spoiler:
if the Kavalry are the "descendants"/followers of Rorschach's writings, how did his journal get twisted like that? Not that he wasn't messed up, as was his journal, but I saw him as more of a nihilistic depressive misanthrope than a racist. But then, if something like the New Frontiersman published it, then it gets retold or passed on virally or via an even more underground or "alt" source, I guess I can see the evolution.
Spoiler:
Remember, Rorschach was a piece of shit. No shock the other PoS animals would take his writings and run with them....



Regarding the servants:
Spoiler:
I could totally see them being androids or robots or something, especially with the name of the play that the Lord of a Country House wrote.
Spoiler:

Also remember that Ozymandias also did genetic stuff. He created that squid in the Gn and his cat pet. I wonder if his servants are genetic creations.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Originally Posted by slop101
If you haven't already, check out the files at the link below - TONS of back-story, filling in the time between the graphic novel and the series...

https://www.hbo.com/peteypedia
That's pretty cool.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Also, this in-depth, post-episode interview with Lindelof fills in a lot of holes people may have questions about...

https://ew.com/tv/2019/09/18/damon-l...mpression=true
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Sure. But if you read the post people are also talking about properly lighting black people.... thanks though.
Your right. It's about being able to see the person's expressions. It's a secondary shot to GoT, but the longer argument has been properly lighting actors of all skin tones.

This Guardian article from two years ago is a good primer for those interested: https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...ght-black-skin
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

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This Guardian article from two years ago is a good primer for those interested: https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...ght-black-skin
This should be required reading for any aspiring porn director.

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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Really enjoyed Ep.1.
Although I did watch that crap of a movie from 10 years ago, I am unfamiliar with the Watchmen.
There is a lot here for HBO to mine; its alternative universe offering excellent storylines to exploit in the future.
I did hate to see
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DJ dangling.

Looking forward to Ep. 2.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Ya'll have let the great WATCHMEN film get into your emotions.
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Pretty good, I'll tune in some more...
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I enjoyed the movie.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

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I enjoyed the movie.
I thought the opening credits were cool.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

I haven’t watched yet. It the movie or the graphic novel considered canon to this? I’m wondering if a rewatch/reread is necessary before delving into it.
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I haven’t watched yet. It the movie or the graphic novel considered canon to this? I’m wondering if a rewatch/reread is necessary before delving into it.
It's 30 some years after the GN. Doesn't seem like it will follow any of the film. Though I have heard some says certain artistic aspects seem to be from the style of the film.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Originally Posted by Bandoman
I enjoyed the movie.
I'm a huge fan of the movie, and don't get the hate. For the record, I had not read the graphic novel until after I saw the movie which might be the difference.
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Re: Watchmen (HBO) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 10/20/19

Looking forward to seeing where this goes. Was on the fence about it, but this first episode pulled me in. I’m on board. And that HBO website detailing the in-universe stuff about the events since 1985 is great.


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