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Arrow (S7E09) -- "Elseworlds, Part 2" -- 3-Night Crossover Event -- 12/10/18




MONDAY, DECEMBER 10

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"Elseworlds, Part 2" - (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)

THE ELSEWORLDS CROSSOVER CONTINUES IN GOTHAM CITY WITH BATWOMAN (RUBY ROSE) - With Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Barry (guest star Grant Gustin) still stuck in the other's bodies, the two get a lead on John Deegan (guest star Jeremy Davies) and head to Gotham City with Supergirl (guest star Melissa Benoist) to figure out why their reality has changed. While there, they meet the mysterious Kate Kane (guest star Ruby Rose) who provides them with information that leads the group to Arkham Asylum. James Bamford directed the episode with teleplay by Marc Guggenheim and story by Caroline Dries (#709). Original airdate 12/10/2018.
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Re: Arrow (S7E09) -- "Elseworlds, Part 2" -- 3-Night Crossover Event -- 12/10/18

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This episode is relentless.
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Re: Arrow (S7E09) -- "Elseworlds, Part 2" -- 3-Night Crossover Event -- 12/10/18

E-90 Flash coming through the portal with a message like in the Batman v Superman movie.

Who is the inmate that put the mask on supposed to be?
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Re: Arrow (S7E09) -- "Elseworlds, Part 2" -- 3-Night Crossover Event -- 12/10/18

There were so many Easter Eggs in Arkham, you'd have to watch it 10 times to get them all
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Re: Arrow (S7E09) -- "Elseworlds, Part 2" -- 3-Night Crossover Event -- 12/10/18

Originally Posted by whotony View Post
E-90 Flash coming through the portal with a message like in the Batman v Superman movie.

Who is the inmate that put the mask on supposed to be?
I haven't watched it yet but it might have been in last night's teaser.

Was it a gold mask? If so, it's the Psycho-Pirate putting on the Medusa Mask.
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Originally Posted by whotony View Post
E-90 Flash coming through the portal with a message like in the Batman v Superman movie.

Who is the inmate that put the mask on supposed to be?
Psycho Pirate.

"Hello John. Your not wearing your ring." Nice call back to the fan theory that Diggle could be a Green Lantern on this earth.

I thought this one was not as good as part one. The Easter eggs in Arkham were pretty fun(liked seeing Bane's mask, Freeze's gun) and the fear toxin scene was cool.

This better not be all we see of John Wesley Shipp. If so, what a total waste.

I thought all the scenes with Batwoman and Ruby Rose were awful and she was as terrible as I thought she would be. I understand that Robin and Nightwing could not be used, but not using Batgirl, or doing a new Birds of Prey or hell even using Batman Beyond was a total waste. Will say the Batwoman costume looked cool though.
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Re: Arrow (S7E09) -- "Elseworlds, Part 2" -- 3-Night Crossover Event -- 12/10/18

Opposite for me. I need more Batwoman in my life. That wasn't nearly enough.

First, I don't watch Arrow, so I'm always glad to get my Felicity fix when I can. So Batman officially exists in the Arrowverse...as well as on Supergirl's Earth. So that's cool. Barry giving Oliver shit for trying to be tougher than Batman was hilariously awesome. I also liked that both Supergirl and Batwoman knew each other's secret identities, no playing games there. I also liked the homage to Batman v Superman scene with Flash trying to get a message across.

Crisis on Infinite Earths... next year's crossover?

Jeremy Davies looks like hell. He really needs to keep some facial hair going.
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Ruby Rose can't act for shit. Brought down every scene she was in. :/

But where the heck is Barry's daughter in all this? She's been absent this whole crossover yet no one seems to have commented about it.
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Re: Arrow (S7E09) -- "Elseworlds, Part 2" -- 3-Night Crossover Event -- 12/10/18

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin View Post
. I also liked the homage to Batman v Superman scene with Flash trying to get a message across.

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Actually both scenes are homages to an amazing Flash scene in the original Crisis On Infinite Earths comic from the ‘80s.

I liked Ruby Rose although not as much Batwoman as I hoped. Interesting to see if she gets a series and if it can set itself apart from Arrow/Black Lightning/ Gotham etc in tone enough.
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"Hello John. Your not wearing your ring." Nice call back to the fan theory that Diggle could be a Green Lantern on this earth.
I hope that eventually becomes more than fanwankery one day. I need alt-Diggle as Jon Stewart GL in my life.

Just read a theory on Reddit that makes sense, but I’ll spoilerize so I don’t mess up a potential twist...
Spoiler:
When Deegan decided to “think bigger” he transformed himself into black suit Superman.
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Re: Arrow (S7E09) -- "Elseworlds, Part 2" -- 3-Night Crossover Event -- 12/10/18

It was fun, but not as good as last night.

Loved all the Easter eggs. The Batman v Superman nod and then all the names at Arkham Asylum. One of those names was former Arrow showrunner Marc Guggenheim, who wrote this episode.

I liked Batwoman, but I really don’t think she made a big enough impression to launch a series around her.

Dark Superman was cool. Curious to see how that transpires tomorrow.

Also, Supergirl mentions that Batman and Superman are frenemies on her world. So I guess there is a Bruce Wayne on Earth 38 and Earth 1?
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Re: Arrow (S7E09) -- "Elseworlds, Part 2" -- 3-Night Crossover Event -- 12/10/18

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Opposite for me. I need more Batwoman in my life. That wasn't nearly enough.
She was awesome in what little they gave her to do. After all the hype she was barely part of the episode. After the Fox version of Gotham ends it wouldn't bother me if the CW put together their own version featuring Ruby.

Jeremy Davies looks like hell. He really needs to keep some facial hair going.
Didn't like him on Sleepy Hollow towards the end and didn't like him here. Hopefully none of the other shows I watch feel the need to bring him in. He's lost whatever he had on Lost.

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But where the heck is Barry's daughter in all this? She's been absent this whole crossover yet no one seems to have commented about it.
Deegan sent her to the cornfield with Grandpa Joe.

I'm really not getting this magic book thing. Given the power to alter the universe and your first big move is to have two superheroes swap bodies?
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Definitely wasn't as good as the Flash episode, which basically points out, yet again, that Flash is the best of the Arrow-verse shows outside of LoT.
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Originally Posted by hdnmickey View Post
She was awesome in what little they gave her to do. After all the hype she was barely part of the episode. After the Fox version of Gotham ends it wouldn't bother me if the CW put together their own version featuring Ruby.
They're in the process of putting together a pilot.
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Just realized it was Stephen Amell’s wife playing Nora Fries.
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Are the writers even aware that Supergirl is from a different Earth? It's weird having Kara reference Bruce as Batman- the only thing we can conclude is that Bruce is Batman on her earth as well.
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Def needed more time with Batwoman, but Ruby looked great in the suit.

Soooo many Batman Easter eggs.

And I loved seeing the original Flash suit, which is still better than any of the modern ones.
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Def needed more time with Batwoman, but Ruby looked great in the suit.

Soooo many Batman Easter eggs.

And I loved seeing the original Flash suit, which is still better than any of the modern ones.
What were the hidden eggs?
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What were the hidden eggs?
From what I remember on the rewatch:

-Barry, Oliver and Kara are arrested at the corner of Nolan and Burton(I.E Batman director Tim Burton and The Dark Knight Trilogy director Christopher Nolan)

-Oliver saying Batman is a myth is a reference to the issue of Detective Comics where three cops eat dinner and tell how they encountered Batman during the night with everyone having a different version of him, and also references the animated episode Legends of the Dark Knight, and also the beginning of The Dark Knight.

-The wi-fi password is Alfred references Alfred the butler.

-Vesper Fairchild is a radio DJ that Bruce Wayne briefly dated in the comics.

-The Bat-signal looks like the one from The Dark Knight

-The William Shakespeare bust is a reference to the 60's TV series which hid the entrance to the Batcave.


- Batwoman hass short dark hair and a red wig, just like Yvonne Craig in the 60's series.


-Batwoman landing on the van and smashing the roof down is a refernce to Batman doing it to Scarecrow in The Dark Knight.


-Batwoman says that her and Kara as a team would be the "World's Finest". Which references the comic that stared Batman and Superman. Which was also the name of the Batman/Superman animated movie which put Batman:The Animated Series and Superman: The Animated Series in the same continuity. Which was also the name of the Supergirl Season 1 episode where Barry comes to visit Kara.


-In Arkham Asylum the names on the cell are : B. Karlo(Clayface), O. Cobblepot(The Penguin), P. Isley(Poison Ivy), E. Nygma(The Riddler) and M. Gugenheim(The episode writer).

-In the evidence locker in Arkham you can see Hugo Strange's glasses, Bane's mask from The Dark Knight, Mr. Freeze's freeze gun, The Riddler's Cane, Penguin's umbrella and obviously vials of Scarecrow's fear toxin.

-Barry and Oliver being The Trigger Twins at the end is a reference to two minor Batman villains who appeared in Detective Comics who robbed the same place, at the same time and teamed up when the they realized they looked alike.
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-Oliver saying Batman is a myth is a reference to the issue of Detective Comics where three cops eat dinner and tell how they encountered Batman during the night with everyone having a different version of him, and also references the animated episode Legends of the Dark Knight, and also the beginning of The Dark Knight.
This was also the editorially mandated status quo for Batman through much of the 90s and 00s under editor Denny O'Neil.

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-Vesper Fairchild is a radio DJ that Bruce Wayne briefly dated in the comics.
I think Bruce Wayne was also framed for her murder!
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Hey, they managed to fit Diaz in.
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Deegan sent her to the cornfield with Grandpa Joe.

I'm really not getting this magic book thing. Given the power to alter the universe and your first big move is to have two superheroes swap bodies?
The Monitor called him on that petty shit too.
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