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Old 08-28-17, 10:57 AM   #126
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

Why was Tyrion looking all upset or whatever when he saw Snow go pork Daenrys?


anyone anyone?
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Old 08-28-17, 10:58 AM   #127
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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I like how the episode title has 2 meanings. The dragon and the wolf could mean Dany and Jon or it can also mean just Jon is both dragon and wolf.
That would make sense based on his conversation with Theon about how he is both a Greyjoy and a Stark.
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Old 08-28-17, 10:59 AM   #128
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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Did I miss something? How did Robert have Targryan blood?
It just happens that Robert's grandfather Ormund Baratheon married Rhaelle Targaryen. This did help in transition a bit making his claim to the throne as he had some Targaryen blood after the rebellion. I don't recall this ever be mentioned in the show, it's from the books. I mean if you looks far enough you'll find lots of blood from great houses in every other house.
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Old 08-28-17, 11:04 AM   #129
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

My prediction based on nothing:

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I think we see a Dany heel turn. She has claimed for 7 seasons that she is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne and has done everything needed to take it back. Well, once she finds out about Jon her entire claim falls apart. That will make her unhappy. Also, we see that Cersei really went off the rails when she lost her 3 kids. I predict the other two dragons will die too and that will also drive Dany to break bad.
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Old 08-28-17, 11:11 AM   #130
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Why was Tyrion looking all upset or whatever when he saw Snow go pork Daenrys?


anyone anyone?
My best guess is that he's concerned that it will cloud their judgement.
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Old 08-28-17, 11:13 AM   #131
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

I don't think Jon wants the throne or would throw away a piece of ass over it. He'd be fine being King to Dany's Queen IMO. He didn't want to be King in the North and was quick to leave it to Sansa when something else came up. Jon is a solider more in line with Ned than Cersei.
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Old 08-28-17, 11:26 AM   #132
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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I don't think Jon wants the throne or would throw away a piece of ass over it. He'd be fine being King to Dany's Queen IMO. He didn't want to be King in the North and was quick to leave it to Sansa when something else came up. Jon is a solider more in line with Ned than Cersei.
I think HE would be fine with it. I don't think she would be. She wants to be the lone ruler and if she's queen to the rightful heir she'll be second fiddle even if Jon isn't doing anything.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

I think it would have been funny if it turned out Beric had been resurrected six times because it was the Lord of Light's will that he die in a structural collapse.
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Old 08-28-17, 12:00 PM   #134
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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Dany on not being able to have children (spoilered for size)...
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I really liked that conversation and how obvious Jon's thoughts were. With everyone's predictions, I think Jon knocks up Dany so that both her and Cersei being with child ends up being some sort of plot point.
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Old 08-28-17, 12:04 PM   #135
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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My best guess is that he's concerned that it will cloud their judgement.
Also, Tyrion has feelings for Dany and I'm sure he feels some regret and longing there. Seemingly every man she's not with does.
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Old 08-28-17, 12:08 PM   #136
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

I liked Alan Sepinwall's comment in his review of the finale that the Bran explanation of Jon's lineage played very much like the one in the Season 1 finale of Westworld -- a very detailed explanation, given great gravity, of information that anyone who was paying attention had already figured out long ago.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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Also, Tyrion has feelings for Dany and I'm sure he feels some regret and longing there. Seemingly every man she's not with does.
Does he? I don't think i've seen anything really hinted at in the show, at least not in the way Jon, Jorah, or Daario have been.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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I really liked that conversation and how obvious Jon's thoughts were. With everyone's predictions, I think Jon knocks up Dany so that both her and Cersei being with child ends up being some sort of plot point.
next season will jump ahead 20 years and will be about the battles between Cersei's kid and Dany's kid.
The white walker attack will be mentioned in the prologue.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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Does he? I don't think i've seen anything really hinted at in the show, at least not in the way Jon, Jorah, or Daario have been.
I wondered if he convinced Cersei to lie to Jon and Dany as he had wished Jon had lied to Cersei. All of that talk about family, etc with Cersei without seeing how it fully played out plus that "look" outside the door, made me think perhaps he is back to helping his biological family again.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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I wondered if he convinced Cersei to lie to Jon and Dany as he had wished Jon had lied to Cersei. All of that talk about family, etc with Cersei without seeing how it fully played out plus that "look" outside the door, made me think perhaps he is back to helping his biological family again.
Zero chance of that happening. That would be the heel turn to end all heel turns.
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Old 08-28-17, 01:06 PM   #141
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

I personally think he views Dany as the family he's always wanted, and Jon for that matter. He's thinking that he's sending them to their certain death while they're both finding a bit of happiness. At least that what I got from that look while they were banging.
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Old 08-28-17, 01:20 PM   #142
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

I just took Tyrion's look as "well this probably won't end well" and left it at that.
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Old 08-28-17, 01:40 PM   #143
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

either that or a "about fucking time" look. lol
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

I'm in the camp that Tyrion had a look of guilt. He had a change of heart, if not heel turn, on the revelation that he's an Uncle again. Some kind of 'gotta do it right' feeling this time....remember he was talking about how the loss of the children truly affected him. It's his last chance at having a Lannister family.
You can also see his guilt about Casterly Rock being attacked. I think there was a line about wiping out his family is not his goal.
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I took it as a look of disappointment that this song wasn't playing on the soundtrack :

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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

I think Tyrion already knew who Jon's real parents are. It's good chance that he changed his heart about the whole thing.
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Old 08-28-17, 04:04 PM   #147
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Why was Tyrion looking all upset or whatever when he saw Snow go pork Daenrys?


anyone anyone?
My thoughts are that he does not want her head muddied by love and her path and thinking clear. Jon is so dreamy.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

Well, this was alright. Littlefinger getting offed was the best part. I really don't care about anyone other than Dany at this point (and Arya but she seems to be doing alright for herself), so I'll be fucking pissed if they have her acquiesce to Jon as the rightful king.
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Old 08-28-17, 04:21 PM   #149
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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How can it be a spoiler? It's his guess. People have been speculating for a while that he would have to relive his "kill the mad king" choice over again.
That's where the qualifying phrase "if this is what actually happens" comes into play. I haven't read the books, so I don't know what the fuck happens. His comment read to me like he was telling something coming up. It's all good.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E07) -- "The Dragon and the Wolf" -- 8/27/17 -- Season Finale

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That's where the qualifying phrase "if this is what actually happens" comes into play. I haven't read the books, so I don't know what the fuck happens. His comment read to me like he was telling something coming up. It's all good.
we are well past the books. anything that happens now is completely made up for the show. can't be mad at speculation.
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