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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 13130448)

I'm surprised at how many people were genuinely torn between Jaime/Bronn and Dany/Drogon. I hope Dany roasts the Lannisters.

:up:

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13130831)

And speaking of that : I do wonder how she managed to win the lifetime loyalty of thousands of fierce warriors raised for generations in a Patriarchal society simply by burning up all their chieftains. I get that they might be in awe of her and fear her, but conflagration murder of all one's leaders by immolation doesn't normally engender fierce devotion, even with demonstration of unique fireproofing abilities.

I figure they think she's a god following the immolation scene.

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Originally Posted by Cardiac161 (Post 13130564)

I swear to god if this nuclear annihilation happens before the finale is shown, a lot of people are going to be pissed!

I'm laughing even though this is so wrong. :lol:

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13130849)

I'd have to watch the scene, but I don't think it was a rape scene in the same way Sansa was. The fact that she actively sought out and learned the skills of love-making and falls deeply in love with Khal Drogo would confirm that. In either case, we are not talking about a politically-correct sociological description of that event in the context of "what is consent?". Dany herself mentions getting raped -- clearly she isn't speaking about her wedding night with Drogo.

not so clear to me :shrug: and a quick google seems to indicate that many people view it as the rape she is referring to.

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

Who cares about Dany vs. the Lannisters? If this show doesn't end with Lyanna Mormont wielding Longclaw to kill the Night King, then everything else is meaningless.

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by LurkerDan (Post 13130830)

This I agree with, generally, not a fan of the actress. And no doubt she has a little Mad Queen in her, that's surely the point, Mad Queen vs Mad Queen. That said, I was definitely rooting against Cersei, which (sort of) means against Jamie and Bronn.

I hated Cersei in season one and I've been waiting for her to die for years. But after the way she dealt with the High Sparrow in season six I was all like "long may she reign." It helps that Lena Heady gives one of the best performance on the show. She's just such a great character. Basically the citizens of Westeros in a bad position of picking the Mad Queen they know versus the Mad Queen they don't know.

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

Any chance that Tyrion was actually struck and dying in this battle and the events we actually see are the fever dreams of events played in his head, a la Jacob's Ladder and Mulholland Drive?

I think this possibility was set up in his first battle, where he was hit and passed out and when he wakes up, the battle is over.

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by Aphex Twin (Post 13130999)

Absolutely zero chance. If nothing else, entire scenes with dialogue took place before Tyrion even got there.

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 13130862)

Who cares about Dany vs. the Lannisters? If this show doesn't end with Lyanna Mormont wielding Longclaw to kill the Night King, then everything else is meaningless.

They could kill off everyone else, and I'd still be satisfied with this conclusion.

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by Aphex Twin (Post 13130999)

Wut

No. Just no. Not only is there no chance this happened, but it would be terrible writing if it did.

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It was a fever dream.

;)

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 13131067)

It was a fever dream.

;)

Or a fevre dream.

https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/com...i/20999884.jpg

Edit: :mad:

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/...r-too-late.jpg

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by mcnabb (Post 13130085)

I have never watched The Wire, but I think GOT is a different type of storytelling then The Sopranos and Mad Men. The Sopranos and Mad Men (which I loved) essentially were about Tony Soprano and Don Draper (along with exploring the supporting cast). So from Episode 1 until the final episode, you were focusing on their story and character development. GOT is a different type of show where it more ensemble and no true protagonist (although we all have our favorites). I have no problem with this season being more about the 'payoff' because it built such a narrative with each character that they've earned it.

Most shows would have have those dragons gone full bore in an earlier season, but GOT waited til Season 7 to really unleash one of them in battle. That takes patience. We waited 7 seasons for an Arya/Bran/Sansa/Jon Snow reunion, we waited 7 seasons for Dany meeting Jon Snow, we waited 7 seasons for each character to essentially choose a side for the final war. We have followed these characters on their own for 6 seasons in all of these different stories and many of them have never crossed paths (unlike Mad Men and The Sopranos where all of the characters interact in almost every episode). So the payoff this season and next season is rewarding and I wouldn't want it any other way.

:up: Excellent post. :up: :up: :up:

I was thinking the same thing after reading negative comparisons. Those are apples/oranges, IMO.

I liked MM, Sopranos, and Wire, too...but they weren't necessarily the greatest things ever. They also had their boring moments and missteps (not so much The Wire, but the other two definitely).

Also, consider some of the disadvantages GoT faces vs. those three:

(1) Having to meet expectations of avid (rabid) book readers who will pick at every variation from original;

(2) Having to overcome resistance to the "genre" labeling that sci-fi, fantasy, westerns, comedies, and others face. Those shows face a high hurdle in order to be taken seriously...something "contemporary" shows don't.

(3) Multiple location shootings, multiple expensive sets & costuming, CGI costs, weapons & animal training, fight choreography, etc...again, much more challenging than the standard things for those other shows.

(4) Huge ensemble cast & characters...often separated by geography so that a plethora of plot lines have to be interwoven without confusing, teasing, or frustrating the audience.

(5) Overcoming the "believeability" factor when attempting to portray supernatural creatures/events supporting serious drama. That's not an easy task.

As McNabb said, it's a different kind of show. The fact that it has captivated so many people (much credit to GRRM, of course, but the show could have been a disaster with poor translation from page to screen) and is being so passionately discussed is a great credit to those involved. Personally, I think GoT should be measured against similar genre shows telling epic stories...and in that, it's head and shoulders above any competitors in terms of quality acting, writing, music, cinematography, costuming, set design, and all other aspects of film-making. It's not perfect, but at this point it is almost unique in its field (particularly for the small screen).

I think the main question that should be asked is this: How well does GoT meet the goals of the filmmakers and the expectations of the audience. Personally, I think that it does both very, very well. As much as I like those other shows (along with Breaking Bad and other acclaimed shows), I have much more anticipation for each episode of GoT than any of those shows.

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by mcnabb (Post 13130085)

absolutely!!

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

I've read a speculative article on Esquire claiming that

Spoiler:

. Of course it's all speculation, so you never know.

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^ I'm afraid of reading that spoiler. With all the GoT leaks recently I have no faith that any "speculation" articles aren't taken from leaked sources.

Maybe I'm being overly cautious but I'm not taking any chances for the rest of this season...and probably into the next. :shrug:

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13130849)

I'd have to watch the scene, but I don't think it was a rape scene in the same way Sansa was. The fact that she actively sought out and learned the skills of love-making and falls deeply in love with Khal Drogo would confirm that. In either case, we are not talking about a politically-correct sociological description of that event in the context of "what is consent?". Dany herself mentions getting raped -- clearly she isn't speaking about her wedding night with Drogo.

What? The first couple of times we see them together he's very rough with her and she's crying throughout. It was rape.

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by Gunde (Post 13131417)

What? The first couple of times we see them together he's very rough with her and she's crying throughout. It was rape.

Without a doubt.

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 13131940)

http://i.imgur.com/7tihyz8.jpg

that's great!

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 13129367)

Yup.

Spoiler:

:thumbsup:

Purely speculation

Spoiler:

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 13131940)

http://i.imgur.com/7tihyz8.jpg

Looks like Ed Sheeran

Re: Game of Thrones (S7E04) -- "The Spoils of War" -- 8/6/17

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Originally Posted by cruzness (Post 13132141)

Purely speculation

Spoiler:

I had that same theory, too.

:thumbsup: