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Old 05-05-17 | 12:45 AM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

Question:

Why would having powers suddenly (arbitrarily?) make Caitlin evil?
If it's having a super power, then why isn't every powered person evil?
Old 05-05-17 | 12:49 AM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

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Question:

Why would having powers suddenly (arbitrarily?) make Caitlin evil?
If it's having a super power, then why isn't every powered person evil?
Because she's an ice-queen?
Old 05-05-17 | 12:21 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

It sounds a bit "Star Warzy" in that her deep fear of becoming KF is actually what fuels the change and unleashes this Evil alter ego when the amulet isn't present.. So though KF is aware of the nice Caitlin it clearly takes over and wants to dominate.

http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Killer_Frost_(Arrowverse)

...seeing her evil counterpart in the flesh changed Caitlin, who constantly lived in fear of turning into Killer Frost as well. However, exactly this fear led to her slowly turning into Killer Frost. Although she obtained an amulet which contained her meta-human powers, the amulet was taken from her neck in order to unleash her regenerative powers when she almost died. This, in turn, fully unleashed her inner villain, turning her into the second version of Killer Frost and unleashing her onto Central City.
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

Originally Posted by slop101
Question:

Why would having powers suddenly (arbitrarily?) make Caitlin evil?
If it's having a super power, then why isn't every powered person evil?
The show is filled with this notion that everyone with powers just turns evil.. except barry and cisco.. Cisco turned evil in another earth though and though, i guess this last episode showed even Barry turns evil.

So yeah. powers make you evil
Old 05-05-17 | 02:17 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

Originally Posted by slop101
Question:

Why would having powers suddenly (arbitrarily?) make Caitlin evil?
If it's having a super power, then why isn't every powered person evil?
That is unique to Killer Frost on the show, though it's not an unheard of trope in superhero comics.

It's not that much of a stretch to believe the part of her brain that gives her control over her powers affects her judgment. Her neural system changes when it's exposed to her own powers.
Old 05-05-17 | 04:59 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

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That is unique to Killer Frost on the show, though it's not an unheard of trope in superhero comics.

It's not that much of a stretch to believe the part of her brain that gives her control over her powers affects her judgment. Her neural system changes when it's exposed to her own powers.
So you're saying she's an ice-queen. But I've often thought about this too- why is Barry (and now Cisco) unique to the metas that exist on Earth-1? I guess Wally doesn't qualify because his powers were given by Dr Alchemy (Savitar). Maybe it has something to do with the particle accelerator?

In the Arrowverse there are magic powered heroes, but we know there are other good heroes with powers (JSA) who might or might not be metas- who didn't get their powers from the particle accelerator. If the JSA exists then there quite possibly be other humans on Earth-1 who didn't get their powers from the accelerator.
Old 05-05-17 | 05:41 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

I just noticed this week the height difference between Jesse Martin (6'1") and Danielle Nicholet, who plays his girlfriend Cecile (5'). When they were doing a dramatic scene in his house, he stepped down into the living room so that he would be at eye level with her on the foyer.
Old 05-05-17 | 05:43 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

Originally Posted by DWilson
I just noticed this week the height difference between Jesse Martin (6'1") and Danielle Nicholet, who plays his girlfriend Cecile (5'). When they were doing a dramatic scene in his house, he stepped down into the living room so that he would be at eye level with her on the foyer.
I noticed that too.
Old 05-05-17 | 05:58 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

no.
more.
fucking.
villainous.
speedsters.

yawn.
Old 05-05-17 | 10:13 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

When's Capt. Boomerang breaking out of Lian Yu?
Old 05-05-17 | 10:46 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

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When's Capt. Boomerang breaking out of Lian Yu?
Soon.
Old 05-05-17 | 11:17 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

Originally Posted by Eric F
When's Capt. Boomerang breaking out of Lian Yu?
As soon as Diggle realizes that they locked him up without a lawyer, trial, or justice.

As for Killer Frost....if they are going to keep Caitlin on the show I hope they leave her frost powers but have her in control of them.

Really, for me the Caitlin character has been floundering without a purpose since she stopped being Barry's confidant. Having her frost powers would at least give her something to do, and she wouldn't be another speedster.
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Very Underwhelming
Old 05-06-17 | 07:20 AM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

Originally Posted by TGM
no.
more.
fucking.
villainous.
speedsters.

yawn.
Yeah, bring on more bank robbers with funny guns. That'll help.
Old 05-06-17 | 10:47 AM
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because that's the only alternative. got it.
Old 05-06-17 | 01:42 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

They've already announced that an evil speedster won't be the Big Bad next season. It has been a common complaint.
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They've already announced that an evil speedster won't be the Big Bad next season. It has been a common complaint.
I wonder what contortions they will go through to make anybody a challenge for Barry. He should be able to take anybody out before they can react, including Killer Frost.
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I wonder what contortions they will go through to make anybody a challenge for Barry. He should be able to take anybody out before they can react, including Killer Frost.
Just a couple episodes ago when Barry went to the future and he just casually walks up to Mirror Master and Top and fucking talks to them? All he had to to is run up to them and bop them on the head as he runs by in a fraction of a second. It's really silly how they arbitrarily make him forget what he's capable of.
Old 05-06-17 | 06:16 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

He also toyed with Frozone (Frost) for far too long before taking her out. The issue wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so random. On one episode he'll quickly and effort dispatch those that are not worthy quickly and effortlessly. And then in another episode he's getting spun and bested by the Top of all people.

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If Savitar is messing around with timelines, where are the time wraiths and Black Flash?
Old 05-06-17 | 09:30 PM
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

Cisco seems kinda gimped in the 'creative use of his powers' department as well. I'm wondering why he doesn't pull a Portal on an enemy and just put one under someone's feet and another above their head. Endless falling loop.

Also he should have placed one in front of Frost as she was blasting her ice and put the exit one behind her. Boom, taking her out with her own blast.
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Originally Posted by slop101
Just a couple episodes ago when Barry went to the future and he just casually walks up to Mirror Master and Top and fucking talks to them? All he had to to is run up to them and bop them on the head as he runs by in a fraction of a second. It's really silly how they arbitrarily make him forget what he's capable of.
They are very inconsistent. Sometimes he's FAST and other times they forget that everything is basically not moving when he wants to go that fast. Being hit by a person would be like standing there for hours.
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Re: The Flash (S3E20) -- "I Know Who You Are" -- 5/2/17

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Cisco seems kinda gimped in the 'creative use of his powers' department as well. I'm wondering why he doesn't pull a Portal on an enemy and just put one under someone's feet and another above their head. Endless falling loop.

Also he should have placed one in front of Frost as she was blasting her ice and put the exit one behind her. Boom, taking her out with her own blast.
I wish they would limit or take Cisco's powers away. He's way too powerful if you think about his powers with any consideration.

They should have never turned Cisco into someone with major powers beyond dimension hopping.

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