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Old 09-20-16, 02:37 AM
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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (S4E01) -- Season Premiere -- "The Ghost" -- 9/20/16




SEASON PREMIERE

VENGEANCE COMES TO 'MARVEL'S AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.,' ON THE SEASON FOUR PREMIERE ON ABC

Gabriel Luna Guest Stars as Robbie Reyes - aka Ghost Rider


"Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." returns with a vengeance for the fourth exciting season in an all-new time period, TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20 (10:00-11:00 p.m. EDT), on the ABC Television Network. In the aftermath of their journey to another planet, Director Phil Coulson and the rest of the team were driven more than ever to put an end to the Hydra organization. Little did they know that they were up against the deadliest threat they've ever faced - an extremely powerful Inhuman, Hive, who was transported back from Maveth in the body of their worst enemy, Grant Ward. The team was able to thwart and kill Hive and take down Hydra, but they are all still mourning the death of fellow agent and Inhuman Lincoln Campbell.

In light of the Sokovia Accords, and with Hydra obliterated, S.H.I.E.L.D. has been legitimatized again and no longer needs to operate in the shadows. Since the world presumes that Coulson is dead, the organization needed a new Director to be the face of the organization. Coulson finds himself back in the role as an agent and teamed with Mack, and together they are tasked with tracking down and confirming the presence of Enhanced people, aka Inhumans. Agent May is tasked with training specialist strike teams, and Fitz and Simmons have taken a big step forward in their relationship.

In the season premiere episode, "The Ghost," Ghost Rider is coming, and S.H.I.E.L.D will never be the same.

"Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." stars Clark Gregg as Agent Phil Coulson, Ming-Na Wen as Agent Melinda May, Chloe Bennet as Daisy Johnson, Iain De Caestecker as Agent Leo Fitz, Elizabeth Henstridge as Agent Jemma Simmons and Henry Simmons as Agent Alphonso "Mack" MacKenzie.

Guest starring are Natalia Cordova-Buckley as Elena "Yo-Yo" Rodriguez, Gabriel Luna as Robbie Reyes, Mallory Jansen as Aida, Lorenzo James Henrie as Gabe, Briana Venskus as Agent Piper, Max Osinski as Agent Red, Ricardo Walker as Agent Prince, Edward Gelhaus as skinhead, Ian Hutton as Blondie, Blaise Miller as lab tech, Samuel Barajas as Felix, Bryan Rasmussen as warehouse manager, Wilson Ramirez as Diego, Jen Kuo Sung as Chen, Jerry Ying as thug #1 and Lilli Birdsell as Lucy.

"The Ghost" was written by Jed Whedon & Maurissa Tancharoen and directed by Billy Gierhart.



22 episode 4th season. Now airing at 10pm.


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Re: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (S4E01) -- Season Premiere -- "The Ghost" -- 9/2

Taking bets on if this is final season?
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Re: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (S4E01) -- Season Premiere -- "The Ghost" -- 9/2

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Taking bets on if this is final season?
I would think so based on ratings but who knows.
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Not only the ratings... but the move to 10pm. And the last ditch effort of adding a popular character who has headlined films (regardless of the quality of said films) to be a supporting character.

I would think though that Disney would want this to run for atleast 5 seasons... and to have it run until Infinity War comes out. If anything... it can return next year with a smaller episode order to wrap things up. Or just be a mini series event.
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Re: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (S4E01) -- Season Premiere -- "The Ghost" -- 9/2

My bet would be on this becoming a short run series next year to coincide the summer movie release. If they were smart they would find a way to put Coulson back in the movies. Maybe even give Quake and May cameos.
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Re: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (S4E01) -- Season Premiere -- "The Ghost" -- 9/2

I just hope Ward's gone for good.
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My bet would be on this becoming a short run series next year to coincide the summer movie release. If they were smart they would find a way to put Coulson back in the movies. Maybe even give Quake and May cameos.
I wouldn't expect anything from this series to ever be referenced in the films. It's quite clear that the film department does not care about the TV department.

The TV shows will always reference the movies, but never the other way around.

The closest I ever got to feeling like this show mattered was when Agent Sitwell turned to Hydra in Winter Soldier. Even then though, he was still a character that originated in the films and one-shots, not TV. I cared more when he turned though because of the development he got in AOS. He was really just a background character in the films. There really has been nothing like that since though.

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Taking bets on if this is final season?
What? Are you saying that no one watches TV at 10pm?

I wonder if Shield is planning a crossover with Dr. Strange in November?

GOTG Volume 2 comes out next May, but I don't see how this show would have anything in common with that where it would make sense.
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What? Are you saying that no one watches TV at 10pm?

I wonder if Shield is planning a crossover with Dr. Strange in November?

GOTG Volume 2 comes out next May, but I don't see how this show would have anything in common with that where it would make sense.
Introducing a supernatural character like GR makes it seem like they're laying the groundwork for that.
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Originally Posted by DJariya View Post
I wonder if Shield is planning a crossover with Dr. Strange in November?
Wonder no more: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/16...doctor-strange
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I wouldn't expect anything from this series to ever be referenced in the films. It's quite clear that the film department does not care about the TV department.

The TV shows will always reference the movies, but never the other way around.

The closest I ever got to feeling like this show mattered was when Agent Sitwell turned to Hydra in Winter Soldier. Even then though, he was still a character that originated in the films and one-shots, not TV. I cared more when he turned though because of the development he got in AOS. He was really just a background character in the films. There really has been nothing like that since though.
The show often goes to great lengths to reference the movies, I wonder why that doesn't work in reverse and if that wouldn't help the ratings a bit.
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A TV person can easily add 2 more hours of viewing a film if it enhances the other 22 hours they're already watching.But if someone only wants 2 hours a year to get their superhero fix, they're not going to supplement with 22 hours of TV to make the film's 2 hours better.

Damn, I just confused myself.

Good ROI to watch 2 hours making the other 22 better.
Bad ROI to watch 22 hours just to make 2 better.
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I wouldn't expect anything from this series to ever be referenced in the films. It's quite clear that the film department does not care about the TV department.
They could put Coulson, and any number of the other SHIELD characters, in a Marvel movie scene and not have to get into the previous SHIELD story lines.

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GOTG Volume 2 comes out next May, but I don't see how this show would have anything in common with that where it would make sense.
So you think it was just just a coincidence that the show introduced the Kree at the same time as GOTG was being produced?
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They could put Coulson, and any number of the other SHIELD characters, in a Marvel movie scene and not have to get into the previous SHIELD story lines.
Sure they could, but if Coulson just showed up in the films, you would have to explain how he is alive. Marvel knows most of their audience doesn't watch SHIELD, and doesn't want to confuse them. If the show was a big hit, it might be a different story.

You could put some of the other characters in as background SHIELD agents, but would anyone care?
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Re: Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (S4E01) -- Season Premiere -- "The Ghost" -- 9/2

I guess I should ask ... although I think I get the sense here ... I quit after Season 1 (actually, I may not have even made it to the end of Season 1). I think I watched a few random episodes here and there. Is it worth going back and watching on Amazon?

Honestly, the mere idea of a 22 episode season turns me off. I'd rather have a short concise season than 8-10 good episodes and 14 fillers.
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Is it worth going back and watching on Amazon?
no.
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None of it?
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None of it?
You're what 50+ episodes behind?

Yeah you're never going to be motivated to catch up.
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Recording this just for curiosity on how they handle Ghost Rider, but never watched the show...
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If you haven't read any recent comics, you will barely recognize this Ghost Rider. It's the Robbie Reyes version of Ghost Rider, which has only been around since 2014. He doesn't even drive a motorcycle, he drives a car.
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The show often goes to great lengths to reference the movies, I wonder why that doesn't work in reverse and if that wouldn't help the ratings a bit.
Because Marvel the TV studio and Marvel the movie studio are just tangentially related anymore and the guys running the two don't like each other. They're not going to go out of their way to help each other, though since the movies are successful, the TV studio will cash in on the connection when it can.
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Sure they could, but if Coulson just showed up in the films, you would have to explain how he is alive. Marvel knows most of their audience doesn't watch SHIELD, and doesn't want to confuse them. If the show was a big hit, it might be a different story.

You could put some of the other characters in as background SHIELD agents, but would anyone care?
Are there that many people who follow Marvel movies that aren't even tangentially aware that Coulson is running around on a tv show? I guess I'm used to comics just referencing each other non stop, taking it for granted that there's a storyline I hadn't read where other cool stuff happens.

If it's all office politics, well, I guess I can understand that but that still seems really shortsighted. So are the Netflix series also not really connected?
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Sure they could, but if Coulson just showed up in the films, you would have to explain how he is alive. Marvel knows most of their audience doesn't watch SHIELD, and doesn't want to confuse them. If the show was a big hit, it might be a different story.

You could put some of the other characters in as background SHIELD agents, but would anyone care?
I would venture that people who are into the movies enough to even notice Coulson also watch the tv show.
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I would venture that people who are into the movies enough to even notice Coulson also watch the tv show.
I think the show averages around 1.2 million viewers per week. Something like 50 million people went to go see Captain America: Civil War in North America. If 10% of them are "into the movies enough", then 80% of that group don't watch the show.

It's really small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.
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I think the show averages around 1.2 million viewers per week.
As season 3 drew to a close, it was pulling in around a million viewers in the demo and around 3 million viewers overall (in the U.S., anyway).

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The show often goes to great lengths to reference the movies, I wonder why that doesn't work in reverse and if that wouldn't help the ratings a bit.
One answer:

Well, we spoke with the president of Marvel Studios Kevin Feige and asked, point blank: When will the movies and TV shows crossover?

“It’s about finding the right way to do that,” Feige told io9. “And the honest answer is, movies are developed so far in advance that a lot of those things [Inhumans, Hydra monsters, etc.] weren’t done when we started to film [Captain America: Civil War].”

“Or, if we were to do something in a film that absolutely handcuffs what the team can do in season 2 of whatever show, they don’t want to be handcuffed. They shouldn’t be handcuffed. It’s just finding the right time and right place to do it.”

. . .

“Look, I love heroes,” Feige continued. “I love seeing as many heroes as possible interacting and surprising fans with their presence but, like Spider-Man, Ant-Man and Black Panther in this movie, like Falcon in Ant-Man, it just has to be absolutely blended with the story at hand, and not just, ‘Hey who is that who just drove past?’ That would be easy. We could do that in post—but that, I think, does a disservice to the characters.”

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