Ugh, do I hate much of this post.

Sure, if they left immediately after when Bran got touched, they would've had a good head start away from the White Walkers and Hodor wouldn't have needed to hold the door. But, they did need Hodor previously to get to where they were. Knowing that, and knowing Hodor had to become who he is, 3ER took Bran to where he needed to be to set Hodor on his path, which only ended at "hold the dorr", but had more to do than just that.

Think you're wrong.

Some info from the show indicating that a certain character will be returning soon (SPOILERS!)


http://imgur.com/a/8kJ8S

Could be this expectation might be problematic?

It certainly didn't seem like it would make much difference. We'll have to see in the next episode if they can (1) make Hodor's effort not be a waste and (2) make any escape believable.

Something that just struck me. Does Willis/Hodor know from that very moment how and when he's going to die? Well maybe not when but does he know that when he goes north of the wall that his time is coming to an end? If so that makes his death all the more touching to me. He's known that from the time that Bran is born that he will die protecting him.

That also explains why he was very freaked out when Bran warded into him a few seasons ago (aside from that being a weird experience in the first place).

One thing that confused me a little... Did Bran warg into Hodor while he was still awake watching the past? That seemed odd to me, that he's watching Hodor become Hodor while he's controlling his body. Of course it was ultimately so he could be in both places when he's yelling Hold the Door.

It wasn't uneventful, it saved Bran's life. It's the whole causal loop again.

I'll never say "Hodor" the same way again.

Does anyone know if there is break next week for the Mem Long Weekend?

Don't think so. It's pushing straight on through every week until the season ends.

Halfway through the season. I'm guessing it's only going to get crazier over the next 5 weeks.

I wouldn't go by IMDB listing. They had Gerad Butler playing Stannis during casting for season 2.

Watched this episode in an airport and it was pretty tough trying to not cry during the end sequence. Loved it, and love the weird time/logic thing like that.

Gerard Butler as Stannis? Did anyone actually believe that?

All this confusion over the timing of the vision, why that particular vision, etc. just goes to show how poorly the writers have explained what the hell Bran is doing when he has a vision and what the rules are. This is what the Three Eyed Raven should have explained, so the audience would understand what is meant to happen and why.

Then everyone would be complaining why a character is babying the audience with exposition. There is always some complaining about scenes like this. Also, this type of sci-fi being introduced always causes intense debate. Back to the Future, 12 Monkeys, Inception. I don't think any of this makes it a sloppy job from the writers, they have very intense discussion about all of this stuff. Furthermore, I'm assuming on this one, but we're probably going to get more and more info about Warging and Bran and the extent of his powers and how they work in the future.

I mean, I have my own opinion of it, but it's what I picked up from the writing. When Meera tells Hodor to "Hold The Door" repeatedly, she is actually reaching Bran in the vision because he is the one controlling Present day Hodor. Similar to how she reached him earlier to Warg into present day Hodor in the first place. Except now that those 3 are all connected, Wylis is fucked up hearing Meera scream "Hold The Door" because he's now apart of a Bran-Hodor Ménage à trois.

Wondering if Brienne

Also, when do we get to see Ian McShane?

I'm gonna guess episode 7 or episode 8, but I have no clue. I'm excited for that and seeing the Tully's again.

my theory on who comes to save them:

I'm think in episode 8, we will find out Hodor and Summer go under the dumpster next to the door. Gunder. Gunder.

Back to the Future, 12 Monkeys, and Inception all clearly set up the rules of the the game (and then Inception breaks all of them but that's for another thread). Game of Thrones isn't strictly a sci-fi show, this is a left turn for the series and in this case I think making it clear exactly what Bran is going through and the implications it has on the show should have been made clear, especially since you have such a great actor in Max Von Sydow. Instead it's flashbacks that seem to have no major bearing on the rest of the show, just some backstory, and then suddenly Bran CAN affect the rest of the show through his visions, and on top of that we have no idea why 3ER is dawdling when he knows the snow king is coming.

Maybe the showrunners will explain it all later and this will make total sense, but right now it feels sloppy.