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Old 03-22-16 | 12:16 PM
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If they make season 3 they better have him on.

Old 03-22-16 | 12:18 PM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

I'm glad the complaints I had about the ending were echoed by the last few people too.
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I want that Punisher theme to play every time I walk into a room.
Old 03-22-16 | 02:54 PM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

Overall I enjoyed the series. The Punisher stuff was great. Wasn't so taken with Elektra, but still entertained.

Just like with Jessica Jones, even though it was good, I also felt like overall the season was a little under baked. I don't know if they need more time per season, or maybe fewer episodes.

I finished it last night and these are my initial impressions. I want to preface the following by saying I'm sure I missed a lot of stuff. I marathoned it quite a bit and so I was more into the plot than taking time to analyze everything.

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I think I would have prefered 8-10 eps more focused on the Punisher storyline better. I don't feel like the Elektra storyline was fully developed, and the Punisher stuff started out strong and then kind of got pushed on the back burner. In terms of plot they never really came together, so much so that it seemed odd that Castle even showed up during the Foot showdown.

Of course, thematically they had the opposite problem, they were too similar. I think it would have worked better if Elektra had shown up for a few episodes, to setup her own storyline next season and more subtly reinforce the no killing moral dilemma theme from the Punisher storyline. Kind of like what Stick did in the first season. Instead it ended up feeling like DD was just repeating himself with his conversations between Elektra/Punisher.


I also felt a bit of distance from Murdock this season. It was intentional in some ways. They were setting up his isolation, and I certainly understood Foggy's POV during the season. The issue is that I didn't feel like I ever got back on Matt's side. Part of that is because Matt himself didn't know the extent of and was often outright dismissing the threat of the Hand to the city, while still using it to justify his erratic, vigilante behavior.

It also relates back to the central theme of his moral crisis over killing. Even though he eventually slips with the "maybe this one time" offer, I never really felt he was struggling with the dilemma. There was a lot of stuff going down this season in regards to his faith in the legal system. This kind of came bursting out in the "one time" scene, mentioning Fisk running the prison, etc, I just wish we had been shown that frustration along the way since the entire season was about those systems failing over and over and DD conflict of working outside the system but trying to support it at the same time.
Old 03-23-16 | 10:57 AM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

Originally Posted by bluetoast
BTW, Frank's superior officer is Byron from The Shawshank Redemption. He was also in Hail, Caesar for like 10 seconds.

Clancy Brown.
Old 03-23-16 | 11:01 AM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

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Ok, now that I'm done watching I don't hate you all any more.

I can watch many more seasons if this if they keep it up.

However, I could have used more Punisher doing more punishing things while donning the skull.

And questions about the colonel:

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-he's the blacksmith?
-he's the one that shot up the DA office and Karen's apt?

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but not him personally. His men did. They were his men from when he was a colonel.
Old 03-23-16 | 11:41 AM
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I fucking hated that bit of plot for Frank. Why not just make it a Crime Boss? Why not just have a whole organization after him? The Blacksmith stuff was just coming out of nowhere for what I wanted Frank's story to be.
Old 03-23-16 | 12:10 PM
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I loved it. My only complaint was the appearance out of nowhere other have commented on. 8 seconds of him listening on a police scanner would've fixed it. No clue why something that easy couldn't have been added.
Old 03-23-16 | 12:11 PM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

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I fucking hated that bit of plot for Frank. Why not just make it a Crime Boss? Why not just have a whole organization after him? The Blacksmith stuff was just coming out of nowhere for what I wanted Frank's story to be.
Blacksmith was a crime boss.
Old 03-23-16 | 02:46 PM
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What I meant was... like a more normal one instead of this whole thing connected to him.

It just seemed needless for that connection.
Old 03-24-16 | 07:38 PM
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Only 3 pages of discussion is quite sad !

I'm only upto episode 9, i am stretching the enjoyment out a bit

They need to be careful not to overdo the Matt Murdoch doesn't want to kill anyone thing

It's making him annoying and naive. It's one thing not killing a street level thug, but when you have multiple ninja assasins who are almost as skilled, it's just unrealistic

But it's making the audience root for everyone else and not Daredeveil
Old 03-26-16 | 12:16 PM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

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Only 3 pages of discussion is quite sad !

I'm only upto episode 9, i am stretching the enjoyment out a bit

They need to be careful not to overdo the Matt Murdoch doesn't want to kill anyone thing

It's making him annoying and naive. It's one thing not killing a street level thug, but when you have multiple ninja assasins who are almost as skilled, it's just unrealistic

But it's making the audience root for everyone else and not Daredeveil
I agree with that. I am hearing too much talk about not killing in my other shows, I didn't need to hear it quite so much in this season. Of course, considering how much I liked this season, that's probably a minor quibble but still.

I definitely think that Frank Castle and (to my surprise) Karen stole the show this season. Matt/Daredevil may have been the star on paper, but he was hardly a scene stealer. Hell, even that surprise
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Old 03-26-16 | 03:43 PM
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As I touched on in my previous post, I think that was one of the shortcomings of this season. I don't think the did a good job getting the viewer to relate to DD's inner struggles. Whether it was the conflict over if he should kill, or the drive to be a vigilante that was isolating him from his friends. Both conflicts lead to these dramatic turns ("Maybe this one time" with Punisher, and "only you understand me" with Electra) that seemed to come out of nowhere. Or, at least while I understood his frustration with events, I didn't have a sense of the growing conflict within DD that led to those turns.
Old 03-26-16 | 05:55 PM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

Holy crap at the prison fight in episode 9.
Old 03-26-16 | 10:05 PM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

The first 4 eps with the Punisher were awesome. Kinda went off the rails after that IMO. The dude playing the PUnisher was excellent and both he and his character need their own show ASAP!
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There were more than a few plot points that seemed like red herrings or shit that they'll get back too. So a nurse gets skewered and the hospital doesn't do anything, because they received a bribe? Okay? Honestly, please tell me more. Since Rosario Dawson's character has shaken the spot, what now? How about the big 40 story hole under the city? What about the possible "demon" old Asian lady drug lord? She's mysterious and I want to know more.

Things like that - for starters.
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Finally finished

Really quite excellent. Played out like a long movie and not episodic TV and that is not just because of the bulk release availability. Characters appeared when appropriate not just to 'guest star' for an episode, then vanish and appear again in 4 episodes time.

The casting was soo good, The actors from Season 1 have grown into their roles. Elektra and the punisher were well cast.

The whole Punisher storyline was just so well done.

The fight in the jail with Frank and the other prisoners was unreal

I'm trying to picture this Daredevil and this Punisher on the big screen alongside Thor and the Hulk etc. Could be there with a bit of tweaking but these netflick shows have such a different feel
Old 03-27-16 | 07:30 AM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

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There were more than a few plot points that seemed like red herrings or shit that they'll get back too. So a nurse gets skewered and the hospital doesn't do anything, because they received a bribe? Okay? Honestly, please tell me more. Since Rosario Dawson's character has shaken the spot, what now? How about the big 40 story hole under the city? What about the possible "demon" old Asian lady drug lord? She's mysterious and I want to know more.

Things like that - for starters.
They need to save some of it for next season.
Old 03-27-16 | 11:35 AM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

Finished it up last night.

I really liked Punisher, but didn't think he had enough time, nor enough to do in the final episode.
I didn't care much for Elektra's story, maybe she'll intrigue me more whenever she shows up next.
Karen and Foggy were excellent this season, it was cool to see Foggy step up.
Echoing the sentiment that the show seems overly dark. Fortunately, the fight scenes are well shot and easy to follow.

Good show, looking forward to more.
Old 03-28-16 | 03:01 AM
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Re: Marvel's Daredevil (Netflix) - Season 2 Discussion Thread - 3/18/16

Through episode 9 now.

Since most here seem to have finished the season, not going to spoilerize my thoughts.

Holy crap, loved the brutality and the blood bath of that prison fight with Castle. Damn, that whole sequence felt gritty and real.

The fight scenes with Elektra and Daredevil are extremely difficult to see since they're shot so dark. I was watching it on my Ipad and I could barely make out what was going on.

This version of Elektra is much darker than the one portrayed by Jennifer Garner. This one is honestly more of a sociopath. Killing and violence gets her off.

Deborah Ann Woll has really stepped it up this season. I think Karen has become a quite valuable member of the team. They could have easily made her a thankless supporting character, especially how she was introduced in the 1st season. Kudos to the writers.
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They better have Bullseye next season, he is my favorite DD villain.
Old 03-28-16 | 09:50 AM
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Elektra annoyed the shit out of me at first but her character develops and gets better by the end.
Old 03-28-16 | 10:41 AM
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They better have Bullseye next season, he is my favorite DD villain.
Agreed, also like to see Typhoid Mary make a appearance.
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I forgot to add, the music in this show is well done.


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