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Old 12-13-15 | 05:55 PM
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Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15




Carrie follows a lead.

Episode 11 of 12


Homeland and The Affar were renewed last week: http://deadline.com/2015/12/homeland...-3-1201662994/
Old 12-13-15 | 10:43 PM
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Easily the best episode of the year. Despite a couple of gratuitous lip quivering scenes, it was nice seeing Carrie actually be smart again, though you would think padlocking the gates would be enough to warn the authorities and not needing Carrie's text to Saul, but it was dramatic.
Old 12-13-15 | 10:52 PM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Saul basically to Carrie saying she was in the cousin's apartment that was filled with maps and schedules of the subway cracked me up.

There were some pretty big holes with the Alison stuff, but it was entertaining and probably the first time all season that I wish we could watch the next episode right now.
Old 12-14-15 | 12:03 AM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

I'm no crime scene investigator, but that murder scene should have easily been picked apart by authorities. Alison shoots Mike with his own weapon, then shoots the professor with her own (which I assume wasn't an official gun given to her by the CIA). Places Mike's gun next to Mike, her's next to the professor. No gun shot residue on Mike's or the professor's hands, etc etc. I guess they wouldn't have been able to piece it together quick enough to arrest Alison before she got away though.
Old 12-14-15 | 06:31 AM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

I'm no fan of Obama, but that is the first time in 5 seasons the show has taken a shot at him and a current event. When Allison is talking to the Russian double agent in the bathroom and she says, "The Russian premiere and Bashir Asaad see the threat of Muslim Extremism, but your President doesn't!"

I was suprised they did that because they have always stayed neutral and never really gotten political referring to Obama or the Republicans in the show. (Even though they didn't mention Obama's name)
Old 12-14-15 | 08:44 AM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

More entertaining and lots of action, but the massive gaps in logic hurt.

Also, the germans are a remarkably patient people when when under an imminent terror attack warning and dark skinned men start chaining exit doors in front of them.
Old 12-14-15 | 08:45 AM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Originally Posted by Osiris3657
I'm no crime scene investigator, but that murder scene should have easily been picked apart by authorities. Alison shoots Mike with his own weapon, then shoots the professor with her own (which I assume wasn't an official gun given to her by the CIA). Places Mike's gun next to Mike, her's next to the professor. No gun shot residue on Mike's or the professor's hands, etc etc. I guess they wouldn't have been able to piece it together quick enough to arrest Alison before she got away though.
I just figured that since the gas release is set only a few hours after Alison's kill spree it would probably take a backseat to the terrorist attack.
Old 12-14-15 | 10:09 AM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

I keep watching... but, more stuff is so blatant wrong with the episodes. Its not even funny. Too bad too, cuz the show tries very hard to be smart.

Like, sure the group would leave an apartment full of damning evidence behind.

The Allison stuff is ok, because they do have more important stuff to worry about. But it would be great to see a follow up on it, like they do not find gun power on the hands of the Doctor, and the gun shot on her shoulder being so close range. Sal did go in and ask some tough questions...
Old 12-14-15 | 10:39 AM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

I'm sorry, but that "guard" just handing Alison his loaded gun was beyond ridiculous. I get that he "didn't believe" the accusations, but come on. And once again only Carrie can figure out the real plot, and get there, and spot one guy in a crowded terminal. Sheesh.
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

I wish this show was more about people being good at their jobs - they all seem to kinda suck.

That's why I liked Justified so much - all the marshals were smart and good at their jobs, which was a pleasure to watch. They need to learn to do that with Homeland.
Old 12-14-15 | 10:47 AM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Originally Posted by slop101
I wish this show was more about people being good at their jobs - they all seem to kinda suck.

That's why I liked Justified so much - all the marshals were smart and good at their jobs, which was a pleasure to watch. They need to learn to do that with Homeland.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't believe any of them would have left a key witness alone in a third story room with an unlocked window. That part also just totally took me out of the show.
Old 12-14-15 | 03:33 PM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Originally Posted by slop101
I wish this show was more about people being good at their jobs - they all seem to kinda suck.

That's why I liked Justified so much - all the marshals were smart and good at their jobs, which was a pleasure to watch. They need to learn to do that with Homeland.
Sadly "Homeland" is probably closer to the actual reality.
Old 12-14-15 | 03:43 PM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Originally Posted by mugwump
Sadly "Homeland" is probably closer to the actual reality.
Homeland = if we replaced the CIA with the TSA.
Old 12-14-15 | 03:46 PM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Enjoyed the episode enough, despite all the absurd scenarios and lack of logic.

Originally Posted by Osiris3657
I'm no crime scene investigator, but that murder scene should have easily been picked apart by authorities. Alison shoots Mike with his own weapon, then shoots the professor with her own (which I assume wasn't an official gun given to her by the CIA). Places Mike's gun next to Mike, her's next to the professor. No gun shot residue on Mike's or the professor's hands, etc etc. I guess they wouldn't have been able to piece it together quick enough to arrest Alison before she got away though.
Plus her prints are all over Mike's gun... she didn't wipe and put Mike's prints back on it. Also, they were in an apartment building - no? A witness to the sound of the shooting would've mentioned the long gaps of silence between some of the shots - which would contradict that type of shoot-out scenario. And Allison's bullet wound would show that she was shot at extremely close range.

Maybe in normal situations this stuff wouldn't be looked at that closely, but when it involves someone who's a suspected traitor and one of the agents was killed with his own gun - then they're going to look at it with a microscope.

It's also annoying when the lead character seems to be the only one who can figure anything out and is the one who will continue to save the day. CIA must stand for "Carrie Intelligence Agency".

And as stated, witness locked in a room with a window. Come on. The CIA is run by idiots.
Old 12-14-15 | 05:21 PM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Originally Posted by mugwump
Sadly "Homeland" is probably closer to the actual reality.
Yeah, probably.
My cousin's husband is an ex-navy seal, and he has a lot of stories of CIA agents doing some remarkably dumb shit abroad.
Although, if that was their intention with the show (a show like Veep, but with the CIA), they failed there as well, since it's not funny.
Old 12-15-15 | 01:50 PM
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I like the overall plot and there are some good scenes, but man the writing can really be hard to swallow. The entire sequence at the hospital with Quinn was insane. The guy is barely, just barely alive and they are literally in his face pushing an almost dead man. I get that these shows want, edge of your seat stuff, but this isn't it. It's absurd and ridiculous. They can do better than this.

And yes, there are issues with the crime scene too, but then again, there are some patterns with the show. The guard might as well had a red shirt from day one...
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Originally Posted by albert_m
I like the overall plot and there are some good scenes, but man the writing can really be hard to swallow.
I'm an apologist for this show overall, despite some of the wonky writing. I look forward to it each week, and mostly I'm entertained.
My two biggest hard-to-swallow moments this season is Quinn's guardian angel doctor just happens to live with recently release terror suspects plotting an attack, and Carrie PASSING RIGHT NEXT TO THE SHAVED TERRORIST.

Man, those two bits REALLY were lazy...
Old 12-15-15 | 04:58 PM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Watching these German and American Intelligence chuckleheads operate just reminds me of the great line in Hunt for Red October: "Central Intelligence Agency....now there's a contradiction in terms."
Old 12-16-15 | 11:35 AM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Everything I wanted to bring up has already been mentioned, can't want to hate watch next weeks episode.

Another great read from the Former intelligence person

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/...ert-weighs-in/

I like how he says anyone who watched CSI could pick apart the allison crime scene in seconds.
Old 12-16-15 | 12:25 PM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Hey, come on...you guys talk like Allison was already accused of treason or something.
Old 12-16-15 | 12:29 PM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

Originally Posted by Pointyskull
...and Carrie PASSING RIGHT NEXT TO THE SHAVED TERRORIST.
The beard shaving bothered me. Many shows/movies are guilty of this, but if you're trying to look different so no one can spot you - shaving off your beard alone probably isn't enough... it's still easy to tell who the person is. Why not give your hair a buzz-cut as well? The combination of the two will make anyone look very different.
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

We are talking about a show where Carrie was hiding using an scarf. So shaving is huge, they become almost invisible.
Old 12-17-15 | 08:04 PM
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Re: Homeland (S5E11) -- "Our Man in Damascus" -- 12/13/15

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We are talking about a show where Carrie was hiding using an scarf. So shaving is huge, they become almost invisible.
No doubt. Don't forget the wig - same hairstyle, just a different colour. I was often confused because I was wondering who this strange woman was - and then remembered it was Carrie. In any case, the beard thing is a problem with other shows/movies - can't nail only Homeland for that.

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