Plus the awful live performance from the Wackstreet Boys!

There's no way they would bring her back. She stopped following their rules and hid from the cameras. That's not the type of person they want in the house.

Then again, they used a lot of airtime on those Backstreet Boys dances, so there is a precedent for not knowing what makes good television.

That, plus she's back on social media now:

Yeah, I don't think she emotionally equipped to be on Big Brother. I'm sort of surprised they didn't pull her out in the first place over concerns for her well-being.

I don't know what Austin's game plan was in sharing that info about Liz with Jason of all people. When he was talking with Liz, he made it sound like he was trying to get the focus off of her and onto him...which it did....but it also put a much bigger target on her.

Then LOL I can't believe how wrong the BoB went for them. Liz pretty much won that herself. I'm not watching After Dark, but I don't see that this will be trouble for the Sixth Sense. Surely they can still win the Veto, get Clay off and throw anyone else up. But then again...

Vanessa looks and behaves like a complete speed freak/tweaker/methhead/junkie.

She reminds me of Crispin Glover's character in River's Edge.

Vanessa's speech patterns remind me of Ranae on "Finding Bigfoot".

When a friend told me she was a professional poker player I expected someone quite controlled, but she's been extremely emotional and overwrought from the first moment I saw her.

Yeah, I don't know what these people are thinking. I guess it goes back to over scheming due to boredom. Last few people to go pretty much all blew up their own games because they couldn't just stfu. Especially Audrey and now Austin, almost feels like we're missing conversations .. have watched a tiny bit of after dark but it's mainly long scenes of boring small talk that doesn't shed any light.

This is who Vanessa reminds me of.

That's who Liz reminds me of.

Becky looks better than most girls who haven't been hit in the face by a train.

I am glad they didn't back-door Austin. I never understood why BB players start getting rid of their own alliance before they pick off people from other sides first.

Agreed. As the episode went on, I was sure Vanessa would keep Austin--she's way to logical of a thinker to get rid of him. But she's clearly marked a line in the sand now.

I think up to this point people suspected there were two definite sides to the house, but this made it all come out in the open. And if Jason leaves (I suspect he will), Vanessa is right: The other side will crumble. He was the brains on that side for sure.

Next, the question is whether they can go for 4-5 weeks and pick off all the floaters or if they'll turn on themselves first.

Seems like a no brainer but who knows this bunch of over schemers. The weaker side of the house is pretty much inept, could steamroll them with little effort but you know the power side will overthink things.

I'm glad they kept Austin, but Judas really needs to go.

LOL that is the truth!

I kinda feel bad for him. To be saying things like this girl he met a few weeks ago "fills the hole in his heart." Wow.

I'll respect Liz a lot more if she'd just pull him aside and say she's not ready for a relationship right now. My only concern would be if he turns to hating her because of it like that cowboy dude did last season with his infatuation.

He lied to her about 2 different things, passed info on to Jason, and said that he was targeting Julia (also in her alliance). The first 2 aren't big, but they do break trust. Hearing that he's targeting another member of her alliance is a bigger deal, especially if Liz is only leading him on, which probably can't be sustained forever and means he has to go at some point.

Also, Vanessa was integral in forming the 8 person Dark Moon alliance with Jason, Jackie, Meg, James, etc. this week. Which was a mistake imo, but once you've formed it then it is kind of suspicious to immediately blow it up a couple days later, when all she had to do was carry out the plan she had agreed to,and put Austin up. Even if she had done that, she might still have gotten Liz, Clay, Shelli, John and Steve to evict Becky instead, if she wanted to keep him, without blood on her hands.

That being said, she did do a great job of throwing others, especially Clay & Shelli, under the bus for this move. Poor Vanessa, she knew it was wrong, but just couldn't go against the "power".

No more Battle of the Block!!!

A couple of things not covered in tonight's episode. Julia's entry into the game changed how the twins and Austin were perceived. Too date she has been a much savvier social player than her sister. Liz and Austin had a tendency to isolate themselves at times. Julia has some better relationships.

One specific thing she did on Thursday night is after she was eliminated from the HOH competition she sat there and goofed around with Meg for the next few hours. In later meetings Meg mentioned to Jackie and James that she wanted to try to work with Austin and the twins, especially Julia.

Also James' epiphany to not do any back door or veto nominations came also entirely from a middle of the night conversation with Steve who basically gave him BB 101 tutorial on how to get out pairs.

Yeah Steve is a weird one.

In the CBS shows/edit Steve just plainly does not exist. He doesn't have any alliances, friendships etc.

I'm sure it's a different story for people who watch the feeds but to people like me who only watch the CBS shows, he's non existent. not even a floater, he's a ghost lol

Well if Vanessa had backdoored Austin then Meg and James would believe in the 8 moon alliance or whatever it was called and the target would have been Steve or the twins this week. Now it is almost certain 1 of Clelli or Vanessa are going this week because of their loyalty to Austin who cut a deal for himself and the twins very soon after James won HOH.

Basically Steve is pretty a much non entity on the feeds but then again so is one of the tv show stars Johnny Mac. I wouldn't call either floaters because they probably do think they are in alliances based on phony promises.

FWIW, Steve has a final two with Vanessa, and is in a final five alliance called Freaks and Geeks with Vanessa, Austin, and the twins. Austin can't stand him though.

I believe he also has a final 2 with John that John immediately told Clay and Shelli about.

Damn, Meg could get it. Her drunk flirting with Clay last night was an eye opener.