Strapped4Cash

The thing about the 3rd part of the HoH is that it does suck, but the players know it's coming and IF they are good enough can/should plan for it. Be good enough to take two people to the end who both will take you even if you can't win HoH. It's tough, but if they're that good then why can't they plan for it the way Derrick did? Through circumstance and decision-making Vanessa took Steve & Liz, that was the game she played, and we saw the results.

Liz looked good, but imo given her answers there was no way she deserved it.

I agree with you here. And going to Vanessa broke up hearing from the returning non-jurors. Not that they say much anyway, but it was telling that of the 6 we heard nothing from Jase, Jeff or Clay, but only from Day, Jason & Audrey before going immediately to the gay/bi woman. I'm glad we heard from three of the returning non-jurors, but I wanted all of them to speak, and I don't at all care for it when they discriminate as blatantly as this.

I agree again, though I feel like we've occasionally gotten little glimpses of this Austin, rarely, but I've briefly had that impression before. A real shame he so often went the way he did.

I liked Shelli too. She was into Clay which in some ways hurt her game (and popularity amongst some fans), and she was sometimes blind to how she came across, but I felt that she was among the smartest in the house and an equal to Vanessa. All of them have their faults. I think that some fans zero in on those of some players, while ignoring problems with others, but overall she was good at strategy and at comps.

As for Jason, I didn't often like him, but I felt that he had a decent head for the game, but was on the wrong side of the house. I think that what he said in the finale to Vanessa was one of the strongest reasons to give him respect though, by identifying Vanessa's biggest weakness with viewers and conveying it well.

It made sense to me, both if they do want to pursue something, as well as if they are uncertain or don't. Meg going for Clay asap made sense for her. But I wasn't surprised by him and Shelli being more hesitant, not wanting a huge moment on National TV, and also them feeling out where they stand after being apart for so many weeks. Clay has no idea what Shelli's been thinking in the house, and she has no idea what he's thought or done out of it. Say hello to the other hg's, let the cameras turn off, and then talk privately, possibly hoping to resume things but not expecting it.

Yeah. I have respect for her gameplay (though don't think it was as brilliant as some), but she never owned her game, was a bully as you say, and needed to invent reasons for her decisions while hypocritically going on and on about how she hated liars.

She was also incapable of admitting mistakes in her read of people, like how the Clay/James fight really started because she asked John how he knew something, he replied that he figured it out, and she couldn't even imagine the possibility. John was smarter than she had thought, but that was out of the realm of possibility for her, and so she had to go on a witchhunt to figure out what "really" happened.

mwbmis

I guess I just don't get this "owning the game". Derrick never owned his game last year. He lied all season in the DR. Dan only owned his game in jury questions in season 10. Production has used the DR comments against players in the past.

I don't think anyone thinks Vanessa played a perfect game. She just played the best game in the house, and she pretty much had some measure of control over every eviction after Day left. Also, we really don't have any idea how she would have answered the jury questions b/c she didn't get to final 2.

Strapped4Cash

For me, Derrick never had the crying (which seemed fake), the emotional outbursts (which also seemed fake), the need to tell everyone repeatedly that he was a good person and the need to invent reasons and go on a witchhunt in order to nominate and vote people off, all while calling himself brilliant and not accepting reality because he was too impressed with his own staggering intellect. My recollection is that Dan didn't really do that either, minus the theatrical funeral, though I'll admit I don't recall his Season as well as I do more recent ones.

So, to me, Vanessa came off as very fake, hypocritical, and either blind to reality or at least to how her own actions were perceived by at least some of those watching. I still dislike many of the others even more, but none of those impressions of her were favorable for me. I have no problem with her lying to the house, but to take it to such extremes while seemingly lying to herself and us, I do take issue with.

If Vanessa had played the best game then she would have either won the last HoH or been in a Final 3 that would have taken her to the end, and then won. That's part of the game too, and it was in no way unexpected. A player can like or favor some aspects of the game over others, but has to plan well enough for them all if they want to be the best.

Josh-da-man

Derrick played a motherfucker of a social game. He just kept himself on everyone's good side, kept the heat off of himself, didn't make any waves or burn any bridges. But was still in full control of the game; he wasn't nominated one time for eviction, even with that "battle of the block" twist increasing the number of noms.

mwbmis

Don't know if anyone watched the slightly stupid Big Brother/Price is Right crossover show that aired, but the final two at the showcase (with their real people partners) ended up being the final 2 we should have gotten in season 7, Will and Janelle.

Of course, Will won and then went and hugged Zingbot. Also, Lawon got to be one of the models in the showcase so he finally got that special power.

Finisher

I watched for some reason. Holy shit what a painfully annoying show. The constant screaming from the crowd and people jumping around like idiots was like nails on a chalkboard. The games were also mostly luck. Good to see Doctor Will, Janelle and some of the others though. Britney looked hot.

DWilson

I found it more entertaining than the "Survivor" version. I sort of "scanned" the "Amazing Race" episode, since I don't really think of that in terms of having "favorites" that I want to check in on. I tend to get more "attached" to the "Big Brother" contestants, possibly because you spend so much more time with them.

DWilson

This is the rumored breakdown of the new season:



There was going to be a "live" event introducing the new houseguests to subscribers, but that's been cancelled because of the Orlando shootings. Instead, they will be revealed tomorrow via taped interviews.

Again, these qualify as "rumors".

Thrush

If true why in the hell would they bring

JuryDuty

I liked

Oh...wait...this IS Big Brother we're talking about, isn't it...

JuryDuty

I watched about 20 minutes of the Survivor one, then scanned the rest and scanned the Amazing Race and Big Brother one. It was over the top. I like game shows, but the seemingly fake excitement and antics by all involved made it unwatchable.

That said, I wish they'd just have a primetime special with each show, bringing people back, having them talk about what they've been doing and their thoughts on the current season.

Don't know if anyone listens to this, but I found the "Rob Has a Podcast" podcast last week from Survivor's Rob Cesternino. They have some somewhat interesting talks on there about Survivor, but more interesting is when they have on reality show editors and producers to talk about the behind-the-scenes. Worth checking out if you're bored.

DWilson

Yeah, its a bit of a joke.


On the other hand,

dino88

Someone else in the know came out on Friday and said

DWilson