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Axeramm 06-01-15 10:51 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
in an interview, Kit Harrington said that when filming the Hardhome battle he only shot 1 min of footage a day.

Artman 06-01-15 11:07 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
This may have been covered - but was there supposed to be some significance to that undead King at the end? He wasn't the same as the one that shattered - or was he?

slop101 06-01-15 11:08 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by aktick (Post 12497073)
It seems like a very simple and obvious solution.
Could be the journey to that solution might be difficult. I honestly don't see how else they could win.

Originally Posted by Axeramm (Post 12497099)
in an interview, Kit Harrington said that when filming the Hardhome battle he only shot 1 min of footage a day.
Yeah, that sounds about right for elaborate action sequences. But they did have a lot of close-up shots that were most likely done later on a soundstage. That whole segment could've been in IMAX though.

aktick 06-01-15 11:17 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12497108)
Could be the journey to that solution might be difficult. I honestly don't see how else they could win.
Agreed.

superdeluxe 06-02-15 12:12 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by Artman (Post 12497107)
This may have been covered - but was there supposed to be some significance to that undead King at the end? He wasn't the same as the one that shattered - or was he?
He is the boss, and no he wasn't the one that Jon killed, right after Jon killed the walker, he looked up to the hillside and saw the Night King

chowderhead 06-02-15 12:38 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by superdeluxe (Post 12497147)
He is the boss, and no he wasn't the one that Jon killed, right after Jon killed the walker, he looked up to the hillside and saw the Night King
he looks to be the same walker as the one taking Craster's baby and creating another walker. Maybe he is the walker's equivalent of Qyburn/Maester and they have the equivalent of a white walker king to the iron throne.

mwbmis 06-02-15 12:53 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by Artman (Post 12497107)
This may have been covered - but was there supposed to be some significance to that undead King at the end? He wasn't the same as the one that shattered - or was he?
The Night's King. Here's an article that offers a back story with no possible future spoilers.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/game-...e-walkers.html

Aphex Twin 06-02-15 01:00 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Remember when Tywin was about to be killed by Tyrion, he told Tyrion that he wasn't his son. Perhaps he was telling the truth. Who is the daddy?

Josh-da-man 06-02-15 03:26 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by Aphex Twin (Post 12497167)
Remember when Tywin was about to be killed by Tyrion, he told Tyrion that he wasn't his son. Perhaps he was telling the truth. Who is the daddy?
Book-ish speculation:
Spoiler:

The Mad King is a strong possibility. Which would make him Dani's half-brother.

Some folks believe that Dani, Tyrion, and Jon will be the three dragon riders. Jon, of course, is speculated to be the offspring of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen.

bralph 06-02-15 07:18 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 12496877)
I half expected the boy to poison Sam.
I definitely expect that boy to double-cross Sam/Jon at some point, based on what Sam told him about sometimes needing to do things that are very unpopular.

spainlinx0 06-02-15 08:13 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by Aphex Twin (Post 12497167)
Remember when Tywin was about to be killed by Tyrion, he told Tyrion that he wasn't his son. Perhaps he was telling the truth. Who is the daddy?
I think that's quite the stretch. I don't think it's any deeper than he was never truly accepted since he was a dwarf and he "killed" his mother during childbirth.

Poink 06-02-15 08:36 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
I'd actually be pretty upset if they revealed Tyrion to be of non-Lannister descent. It would lessen everything he's done / gone through for the sake of a plot twist. He can still be an important character without having a secret identity.

starseed1981 06-02-15 09:04 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 12497204)
Book-ish speculation:
Spoiler:

The Mad King is a strong possibility. Which would make him Dani's half-brother.

Some folks believe that Dani, Tyrion, and Jon will be the three dragon riders. Jon, of course, is speculated to be the offspring of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen.
Hasn't Martin shut that down on multiple occasions over the past six months?

davidh777 06-02-15 09:22 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Knockout episode, with big developments with Arya, Sansa, and Tyrion/Dany, then THE BIG BATTLE. Or maybe it should be called the Big Wipeout.

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 12496583)
I think the other side effect of the white walkers/zombies is that while we've known about them since the very beginning, and have been constantly warned, seeing them face to face like this in just overwhelming number really makes it seem like all that other stuff doesn't matter. Who cares about Tommen and his hunger strike, Cersei and her slurping up water (great scene, btw), heck, even Arya and her assassin training when freaking zombies are coming to kill everyone anyway?
Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 12496689)
That's pretty much been the message of the Night's Watch all along -- while Stannis and Renly (RIP) and Robb (RIP) and Joffrey (good riddance) are fighting over the Iron Throne, freaking zombies are coming to kill everyone!
Yeah, it made last season's battle at the wall look really foolish and pointless.

Originally Posted by johnnysd (Post 12496523)
I think they were the relatives she said were dead possibly.
There definitely seemed to be some kind of recognition there other than scary monsters.

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 12496823)
I mistakenly asked this in the wrong thread, but are the white walkers/wights vulnerable to water (too warm?) or something, or did they just not care about pursuing the boats before they left harbor? In ancient history did they cross the narrow sea (I'm assuming winter comes to all lands, not just Westeros)?
Yeah, how many zombie movies have we seen where the hordes pursue, and even though the first ones sink, the following ones use their bodies as a bridge and they get to their destination just by sheer force of numbers, but see below.

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 12496046)
I thought the white walker at the end was going to freeze the water or something, I was actually a little disappointed that he was "only" raising the dead. Actually that scene seemed really odd to me, like the boat didn't make it that far off the shore.
I expected freezing as well, but I thought the raising scene was really effective. Then the guy seemed like he was saying "Yeah, we could come after you, but look at us, and look at you. It's just a matter of time anyway."

Josh-da-man 06-02-15 09:29 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by starseed1981 (Post 12497309)
Hasn't Martin shut that down on multiple occasions over the past six months?
Not my knowledge. I don't think Martin really makes it habit of confirming or denying fan theories and speculation.

The only fan theory that I am aware of that has been shot down is that Benjen Stark
Spoiler:
is not Coldhands
and even that was revealed because a manuscript page was released that had notes between GRRM and his editor.

raven56706 06-02-15 09:55 AM
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http://photos.vanityfair.com/2015/06...ights-king.gif

slop101 06-02-15 10:17 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
In the end, I can see Danny (Fire) teaming up with Jon Snow (Ice) to take on the Night Walkers then perhaps marrying to unite the kingdom.

Point being, either way it goes, we can finally kinda' see an end-game forming.

DaveyJoe 06-02-15 10:58 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Tyrion is definitely Tywin's son.

superdeluxe 06-02-15 11:08 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12497383)
In the end, I can see Danny (Fire) teaming up with Jon Snow (Ice) to take on the Night Walkers then perhaps marrying to unite the kingdom.

Point being, either way it goes, we can finally kinda' see an end-game forming.
There is a ton of support from fans on that (That Dany/Jon are intertwined, they either rule together and create a super baby, or that one kills the other..or.

majorjoe23 06-02-15 11:08 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12497383)
In the end, I can see Danny (Fire) teaming up with Jon Snow (Ice) to take on the Night Walkers then perhaps marrying to unite the kingdom.

Point being, either way it goes, we can finally kinda' see an end-game forming.
But isn't there speculation that

Spoiler:
Snow is actually Danny's half sister? That the Mad King and Ned Stark's sister's had a kid and Ned claimed him as his own bastard so that he wouldn't be wiped out with other Targeryen's?

superdeluxe 06-02-15 11:09 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by majorjoe23 (Post 12497443)
But isn't there speculation that

Spoiler:
Snow is actually Danny's half sister? That the Mad King and Ned Stark's sister's had a kid and Ned claimed him as his own bastard so that he wouldn't be wiped out with other Targeryen's?
and what of it?..
Spoiler:
Incest is how the Targ folks roll.

B.A. 06-02-15 11:38 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 12496841)
(Cersei may be a bitch, but at least she's better than a mean nun.)
Nope.

majorjoe23 06-02-15 11:46 AM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by superdeluxe (Post 12497446)
and what of it?..
Spoiler:
Incest is how the Targ folks roll.
It seems like if she's trying to break the wheel that she might want to avoid troubling past habits of Westeros rulers.

JasonF 06-02-15 12:06 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
Originally Posted by majorjoe23 (Post 12497443)
But isn't there speculation that

Spoiler:
Snow is actually Danny's half sister? That the Mad King and Ned Stark's sister's had a kid and Ned claimed him as his own bastard so that he wouldn't be wiped out with other Targeryen's?
The most common speculation is that
Spoiler:
Jon is the son of Rhaegar -- Dany's brother -- and Lyanna (Ned's sister). Which would make Jon Dany's nephew, not her brother. And incest is how the Targaryen's roll, so no big.

Shazam 06-02-15 12:08 PM
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E08) -- "Hardhome" -- 5/31/15
 
A mega reach but...

Spoiler:
There is some speculation that the Iron Throne is made of Valyrian steel, since it was exposed to dragon fire. So her line of "breaking the wheel" refers to the throne itself, so they'll take apart the throne to combat the WW threat.


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