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RichC2 08-25-21 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13974952)
Is this correct? I hadn’t read that.

And in the extensive The Ringer article, it says that Richards manipulated the focus group so that he would appear the best, deciding which episodes the focus group would see from every candidate, That’s a huge conflict of interest on his part, especially considering as the article pointed out, that it was a widely known secret that he desperately wanted to host the show.

I didn't realize the source was TMZ, so grain of salt may be needed but it does make sense: https://www.tmz.com/2021/08/13/mayim...r-commitments/

movieguru 08-25-21 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 13974942)
Bialik was picked as the full time replacement but opted out of full time duties. Aaron Rodgers obviously has other commitments, as did most of the hosts on there. Burton had a middling first week when compared with the other first weeks.

In the end, it was going to be Richards or Jennings if she had said no. He was fine as host of the show which in general weighs out the rest of the stuff that people seem to think more people care about than actually do. The daytime edition caters to an older demo who care more about line delivery and lack of political stance.

This is a show that draws upwards of 10 million an episode with a median age of 65+ and maybe 14% of that is in the key 18 to 49 demo. Their audience largely does not care about the internet bullshit about it.

What daytime show are you referring to? Jeopardy! does not have a daytime edition.

RichC2 08-25-21 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 13975016)
What daytime show are you referring to? Jeopardy! does not have a daytime edition.

The syndicated version (pre-8 pm) is dubbed "Daytime", the special events are "Prime time"/nighttime, it's just the way they separate the show for ratings.

They still have Daytime Emmy awards as well, Jeopardy wins Best Gameshow most years though The Price is Right occasionally snags it.

Sonny Corinthos 08-25-21 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 13974942)
Bialik was picked as the full time replacement but opted out of full time duties. Aaron Rodgers obviously has other commitments, as did most of the hosts on there. Burton had a middling first week when compared with the other first weeks.

In the end, it was going to be Richards or Jennings if she had said no. He was fine as host of the show which in general weighs out the rest of the stuff that people seem to think more people care about than actually do. The daytime edition caters to an older demo who care more about line delivery and lack of political stance.

This is a show that draws upwards of 10 million an episode with a median age of 65+ and maybe 14% of that is in the key 18 to 49 demo. Their audience largely does not care about the internet bullshit about it.

Did Bialik ever say why she couldn't host full time? I must have missed it.

RichC2 08-25-21 10:04 AM

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^ Naw, nobody has even confirmed the story. She's star/producer of a not so great show on Fox, and may of just not wanted that to be her full time gig. Or they didn't offer her enough money.

Either way, here we are with her doing both for the time being.

movieguru 08-25-21 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonny Corinthos (Post 13975039)
Did Bialik ever say why she couldn't host full time? I must have missed it.


I think she would be ok for the prime time show but not the syndicated version. It's had to not associate her as the Amy Farah Fowler character from TBBT. I think it would be really distracting to have her on the regular show.

movieguru 08-25-21 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 13975030)
The syndicated version (pre-8 pm) is dubbed "Daytime", the special events are "Prime time"/nighttime, it's just the way they separate the show for ratings.

They still have Daytime Emmy awards as well, Jeopardy wins Best Gameshow most years though The Price is Right occasionally snags it.

I never watch the award shows. I would have thought the "daytime" hours cutoff would have been after the last soap opera aired or when the evening news started at 5 or 6 pm. 7 pm seems rather late to qualify as a "daytime" show.

Paff 08-25-21 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 13975143)
I never watch the award shows. I would have thought the "daytime" hours cutoff would have been after the last soap opera aired or when the evening news started at 5 or 6 pm. 7 pm seems rather late to qualify as a "daytime" show.

"daytime" = "not primetime", so yeah, before 8.

clckworang 08-25-21 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 13975143)
I never watch the award shows. I would have thought the "daytime" hours cutoff would have been after the last soap opera aired or when the evening news started at 5 or 6 pm. 7 pm seems rather late to qualify as a "daytime" show.

It's syndicated. Just because that's your time doesn't mean it's everyone's time. Jeopardy airs where I live at 3 pm, which doesn't seem very late to me. Since Wheel of Fortune airs at 6:30 pm in my area, should it no longer be considered a daytime show anywhere? But as stated, before prime time equals daytime.

Hailey G 08-25-21 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 13975141)
I think she would be ok for the prime time show but not the syndicated version. It's had to not associate her as the Amy Farah Fowler character from TBBT. I think it would be really distracting to have her on the regular show.

I have never seen her on TBBT. Not a fan of the show. She's still Blossom to me. :lol:

GuessWho 08-25-21 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 13975016)
What daytime show are you referring to? Jeopardy! does not have a daytime edition.

Jeopardy airs at 3:30pm in Chicago... it's between Inside Edition and before the 4pm evening news. Wheel of Fortune comes later at 6:30pm as the buffer between local news and primetime tv.

movieguru 08-25-21 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by clckworang (Post 13975172)
It's syndicated. Just because that's your time doesn't mean it's everyone's time. Jeopardy airs where I live at 3 pm, which doesn't seem very late to me. Since Wheel of Fortune airs at 6:30 pm in my area, should it no longer be considered a daytime show anywhere? But as stated, before prime time equals daytime.

I'm used to it being on at 7 PM where I'm at and most of the other areas where I have vacationed at. I had never heard they aired it earlier unless accounting for time zones in some areas. I know back in the 1980's when the original Wheel of Fortune was on in the mornings and new show came out with Pat Sajak, they were always referred to as the morning Wheel of Fortune and the nighttime Wheel of Fortune. Same thing in the 1970's when The Price is Right had a night time version that was aired at 7 pm.

According to the rules for the Emmys, syndicated shows can be entered in either the Daytime Emmys or the Primetime Emmys. Star Trek TNG while syndicated, won awards in the Primetime Emmy's even though the show aired early in some markets.

Decker 08-25-21 05:40 PM

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The times of day for TV are Morning Shows which run form early morning until 10am, Daytime Shows 10a-7:30p, Primetime Shows 8-11 pm and Late Night 11:30-2(?). Jeopardy is a daytime show.

Deftones 08-25-21 06:14 PM

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Primetime in AZ is not 8-11. It is 7-10.

RichC2 08-25-21 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 13975308)
Primetime in AZ is not 8-11. It is 7-10.

Pfft, everybody knows Mountain and Central time zones are bogus (though with the lack of daylights savings in AZ makes it sync up somewhere.) /s

Kurt D 08-25-21 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13975292)
The times of day for TV are Morning Shows which run form early morning until 10am, Daytime Shows 10a-7:30p, Primetime Shows 8-11 pm and Late Night 11:30-2(?). Jeopardy is a daytime show.

what about the poor shows that run from 7:30pm to 8pm? Do they just have to suck it?

JeffTheAlpaca 08-25-21 06:50 PM

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I don't get it if Richards has all of these problems why can he still stay on as a producer?

Wouldn't it be better to just get rid of him completely?

Decker 08-25-21 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt D (Post 13975313)
what about the poor shows that run from 7:30pm to 8pm? Do they just have to suck it?

A 7:30 pm show (ET or PT) is a daytime show. An 8 PM show is Prime Time show. So your example is a daytime show. .

Ginwen 08-25-21 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffTheAlpaca (Post 13975325)
I don't get it if Richards has all of these problems why can he still stay on as a producer?

Wouldn't it be better to just get rid of him completely?

Because they’re flailing. I expect he’ll be gone really soon.

movieguru 08-25-21 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffTheAlpaca (Post 13975325)
I don't get it if Richards has all of these problems why can he still stay on as a producer?

Wouldn't it be better to just get rid of him completely?

Yes, and they probably will very soon. It's not like it was with Trump where we pretty much had to wait until the four years were up.

Jericho 08-25-21 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Decker (Post 13974952)
And in the extensive The Ringer article, it says that Richards manipulated the focus group so that he would appear the best, deciding which episodes the focus group would see from every candidate, That’s a huge conflict of interest on his part, especially considering as the article pointed out, that it was a widely known secret that he desperately wanted to host the show.

As stated, that source may not be the best. But even if it is correct, it seem to fuel the same paradoxical argument. That Richards was simultaneously pre-picked before all the guest hosting happened and also not picked at all because he was manipulating focus groups so whoever does the picking would pick him? The whole thing doesn't make a ton of sense either. Besides the fact that there's little difference between shows for most hosts, are we to believe that focus groups were dictating the selection of the next Jeopardy host? I don't doubt someone at least looked into that, but what actual weight did these focus groups carry?

I'll admit I'm not mining the internet looking for every fact I can find on the Jeopardy host selection process. Frankly, I doubt most of what actually happened is even public knowledge. There's a few small tidbits, a lot of conjecture, and a lot of complaining for a show that I think most doing the complaining barely (if ever) watch. But, based on what I saw, Richards seemed like he did a good job and would be a good host. So while he certainly had an inside advantage, it was not superficially a bad pick (I checked out some rankings people had out of curiosity. And was genuinely surprised at some of them. But, on the whole, Richards rated very, very well). If it was just based on hosting, Richards probably would have been fine. It's the off-air persona that did him in.

P.S. As an additional comment on the rankings, I was shocked how high many had Levar Burton. He still generally was not ranked that high on average, but he'd probably be bottom 3 for me and I still don't get the grand push. He got a shot, it didn't go well. C'est la vie. There are better options.



General Zod 08-25-21 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jericho (Post 13975397)
P.S. As an additional comment on the rankings, I was shocked how high many had Levar Burton. He still generally was not ranked that high on average, but he'd probably be bottom 3 for me and I still don't get the grand push. He got a shot, it didn't go well. C'est la vie. There are better options.

He's very likeable. I like him.. Always have. Wasn't a good host though and yeah I think that should matter :)

movieguru 08-26-21 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jericho (Post 13975397)
As stated, that source may not be the best. But even if it is correct, it seem to fuel the same paradoxical argument. That Richards was simultaneously pre-picked before all the guest hosting happened and also not picked at all because he was manipulating focus groups so whoever does the picking would pick him? The whole thing doesn't make a ton of sense either. Besides the fact that there's little difference between shows for most hosts, are we to believe that focus groups were dictating the selection of the next Jeopardy host? I don't doubt someone at least looked into that, but what actual weight did these focus groups carry?

I'll admit I'm not mining the internet looking for every fact I can find on the Jeopardy host selection process. Frankly, I doubt most of what actually happened is even public knowledge. There's a few small tidbits, a lot of conjecture, and a lot of complaining for a show that I think most doing the complaining barely (if ever) watch. But, based on what I saw, Richards seemed like he did a good job and would be a good host. So while he certainly had an inside advantage, it was not superficially a bad pick (I checked out some rankings people had out of curiosity. And was genuinely surprised at some of them. But, on the whole, Richards rated very, very well). If it was just based on hosting, Richards probably would have been fine. It's the off-air persona that did him in.

P.S. As an additional comment on the rankings, I was shocked how high many had Levar Burton. He still generally was not ranked that high on average, but he'd probably be bottom 3 for me and I still don't get the grand push. He got a shot, it didn't go well. C'est la vie. There are better options.

I think there would be an issue with looking at ratings and comparing episode ratings based on who was hosting the episode. Most shows get higher ratings right at the beginning of the season, then during sweeps weeks. Whomever is host during those times will by default have an unfair advantage over those that are hosting during times when there is lover overall television viewership. Also since guest hosting Jeopardy was a novel thing at the beginning of this season, people were more likely to tune in for the fist couple of guest hosts and later in the season the novelty would wear off and viewership would be less because peoples' interest in guest hosts may have waned somewhat as time progressed.

Jericho 08-26-21 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by movieguru (Post 13975547)
I think there would be an issue with looking at ratings and comparing episode ratings based on who was hosting the episode. Most shows get higher ratings right at the beginning of the season, then during sweeps weeks. Whomever is host during those times will by default have an unfair advantage over those that are hosting during times when there is lover overall television viewership. Also since guest hosting Jeopardy was a novel thing at the beginning of this season, people were more likely to tune in for the fist couple of guest hosts and later in the season the novelty would wear off and viewership would be less because peoples' interest in guest hosts may have waned somewhat as time progressed.

I wasn't talking about viewership ratings. I was talking about random places on the internet ranking how they thought the guest hosts did and who was "best".

JeffTheAlpaca 08-27-21 09:47 PM

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Who knew becoming the new host of Jeopardy would be the equivalent of running for the presidency where they go back and bring up all of your past transgressions.


Nick Danger 08-28-21 02:07 PM

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Were the people who like LaVar Burton today all watching Reading Rainbow when they were impressionable children? I have different associations. To me, it would be like wanting Brent Spiner as the new Jeopardy host. Besides, although I have an undying love of Mr Rogers, I wouldn't want him hosting a game show. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Josh-da-man 08-29-21 12:40 AM

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I was probably in the right age range to watch Reading Rainbow when it started, but never watched it. Even when I was eight, it seemed like it would have been too "kiddie" for my tastes.

I suppose that just the awareness that he hosted Reading Rainbow is enough to put him on the Jeopardy radar. LeVar Burton was also on Celebrity Jeopardy, and won, so he does have some Jeopardy pedigree. He also seemed to have the right kind of temperament for Jeopardy, sort of mild-mannered and intellectual.

I could see Brent Spiner hosting a game show like Family Feud or Match Game that would play more to his demeanor, a little snarky and sarcastic, laid back, and funny.

Michael Corvin 08-30-21 03:15 PM

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In a post-Trump/Covid world where everything is falling to shit, I think we need more people like LaVar front and center. Just a wholesome person hosting a family friendly show.

That being said, I don't watch Jeopardy frequent enough to have a dog in the fight.

And yes, I was the right age-ish for Reading Rainbow, but wasn't an avid watcher.

movieguru 08-30-21 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger (Post 13976568)
Were the people who like LaVar Burton today all watching Reading Rainbow when they were impressionable children? I have different associations. To me, it would be like wanting Brent Spiner as the new Jeopardy host. Besides, although I have an undying love of Mr Rogers, I wouldn't want him hosting a game show. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I was a teenager when Star Trek TNG came out, so I was a little too old for the Reading Rainbow at that time. I was aware of the show and that he was on it but I never watched the show. I only saw a bits and pieces of it when I was channel surfing. From the segments that I saw of Reading Rainbow, he sounded like he was a good host. I hoped he would be a good host for Jeopardy. On Jeopardy he didn't sound the same. He no longer had that youthful, exuberant voice he displayed on ST:TNG and the RR. I barely recognized his voiced. Obviously he has aged a bit and looked a lot older. It felt out of place seeing him in a suit instead of a uniform or sweater and without the eye piece.

Noonan 08-31-21 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger (Post 13976568)
Were the people who like LaVar Burton today all watching Reading Rainbow when they were impressionable children? I have different associations. To me, it would be like wanting Brent Spiner as the new Jeopardy host. Besides, although I have an undying love of Mr Rogers, I wouldn't want him hosting a game show. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I was right in the sweet spot. My dad worked the graveyard shift when I was young and sometimes I would only see him on weekends. Between Reading Rainbow when I was under 10 and Star Trek when I was 12/13+, Lavar was like a surrogate father to me. He probably taught me more life lessons than my parents did.

Mike86 08-31-21 09:44 AM

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I was a kid when Reading Rainbow was on the air. I didn’t watch it all the time or anything, but it was a program I watched as a kid. I later became a fan of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

I don’t think LeVar Burton was the best guest host, but I didn’t think he was that bad either. Also I think whoever gets chosen it’s hard to see how they’ll be based off of just a week. The longer a person is in a role like that they’re going to become more comfortable, and over time make it more their own.

You can’t just throw a guest host in and expect them to be great right away. Especially when the previous host was beloved, and did the show for so long.

DJariya 08-31-21 11:36 AM

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https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/mik...ne-1235052887/

Variety says he was fired as EP. sounds like it’s uncertain if his five episodes that are in the can will even air. I think Sony has to dump them now. Too awkward.

Gizmo 08-31-21 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 13977807)
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/mik...ne-1235052887/

Variety says he was fired as EP. sounds like it’s uncertain if his five episodes that are in the can will even air. I think Sony has to dump them now. Too awkward.

Dont they legally have to air them so the people who participates get paid?

clckworang 08-31-21 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 13977807)
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/mik...ne-1235052887/

Variety says he was fired as EP. sounds like it’s uncertain if his five episodes that are in the can will even air. I think Sony has to dump them now. Too awkward.


Originally Posted by Gizmo (Post 13977811)
Dont they legally have to air them so the people who participates get paid?

I read the article more as they weren't sure whether the season would have the same start date. Like Gizmo says, I think they have to air those episodes. Plus, if the current champ lost during those episodes and it doesn't air, people will be upset about that, too.

Gizmo 08-31-21 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by clckworang (Post 13977820)
I read the article more as they weren't sure whether the season would have the same start date. Like Gizmo says, I think they have to air those episodes. Plus, if the current champ lost during those episodes and it doesn't air, people will be upset about that, too.

I remember there being some stupid game show that shot episode but never aired until years later on CW and the participates never got “paid” until they aired.

no reason not to air these. The general population doesn’t give a shot about Mike Richards or know anything going on. This is yet again another stupid ass thing where they bow down to a vocal minority. No one gives a shit.

Bandoman 08-31-21 12:22 PM

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If Richards had just kept quiet and not tried for the hosting gig no one would have said a word and he'd still have his job. He got greedy and his past came back to bite him in the ass.

movieguru 08-31-21 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 13977807)
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/mik...ne-1235052887/

Variety says he was fired as EP. sounds like it’s uncertain if his five episodes that are in the can will even air. I think Sony has to dump them now. Too awkward.

It's not a surprise they fired him as executive producer. It's only surprising it took them this long. I can't imagine they wont air his hosting episodes. They have the third highest winning regular season champ on right now, so people will want to see how he is doing. Plus they spent all the money producing these episodes, so i doubt they will want to just waste them.

Decker 08-31-21 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gizmo (Post 13977841)
I remember there being some stupid game show that shot episode but never aired until years later on CW and the participates never got “paid” until they aired.

no reason not to air these. The general population doesn’t give a shot about Mike Richards or know anything going on. This is yet again another stupid ass thing where they bow down to a vocal minority. No one gives a shit.

It would be a microdrop in the bucket for Sony to pay everyone on Jeopardy for the unaired episodes their promised amounts. Not an issue

That said, I mostly agree with Gizmo, it really isn't an issue if they air. It's not like Richards is a rapist or child molestor. Nobody is going to be traumatized to see him host again for one week. It might look bad, but not airing those episodes might be worse. Nobody is going to give Jeopardy grief for airing these filmed episodes with a disclaimer in front.
People cared deeply that Richards was essentially handed the permanent job without merit. They don't care if he appeared as a guest host for a week.

General Zod 08-31-21 12:51 PM

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So it makes sense to me that if they determined he's too toxic to host then he's too toxic to be executive producer.

Having said that.. this cancel culture is stupid. I've no doubt we'll look back on this and wonder why the hell we let every little thing someone did define who they are. But I guess people will just shrug and said "Eh well that's how it was back then."

It would be nice if we could start growing up again.

Decker 08-31-21 01:34 PM

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James Holzhauer : Apparently not a fan of Richards



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