Originally Posted by DthRdrX

Fairly obvious she got that position because of her relationship with Roger. I'm sure many of the secretaries could have excelled at office management if Joan wasn't put over them to begin with.

Originally Posted by albert_m

At that point, there was no going back. Her showdown ended her work there.
It was just a question of taking them to court or not and Roger let her know that court would take years, a lot of legal fees and even then she might not get her full amount. Taking half was sadly her only "option."

Originally Posted by Coral

Don checking out the strength of the window in his new office - foreshadowing his death from the intro as we suspected might be the case? I'm guessing it's too easy - the show has teased us many times in the past with things that almost feel like a sure thing, only to go a different route.

Originally Posted by Jack Straw

That's correct. But he can refuse to work there, or be fired for being a flake who disappears for days without telling anyone. Then what happens with his 49% share of SC&P?

Originally Posted by mcnabb

-And what was up with Don looking out the window of his office as it seems like he was looking down? Now I scoff at my friends who say someone will jump in the final episode to mirror the person jumping in the opening credits.
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Originally Posted by mcnabb

Only the original 5 cast members know the ending of the show:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7217730.html

I am trying to figure out what 5 original members, as I am counting 6?

-Don
-Peggy
-Roger
-Pete
-Joan
-Betty?

Originally Posted by majorjoe23

@Coral and mcnabb, there was a whistle or hiss in Don's office, like you would get from a loose seal or slightly open window on A high floor of a building. He seemed to be investigating that.

Originally Posted by VitiminJ

Is it the 5 that they show sitting around the table before each show reminiscing?

Don
Pete
Peggy
Roger
and who is the fifth? Is it Joan?

Originally Posted by majorjoe23

i quoted these in the wrong order and now my iPad doesn't want to let me move Jack's post to the end.

@Jack: Does Don have 49% of SCP? It seems more likely that the original partners would have 49% total and the new firm would have 51% to have a controlling interest.

@Coral and mcnabb, there was a whistle or hiss in Don's office, like you would get from a loose seal or slightly open window on A high floor of a building. He seemed to be investigating that.

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

Don is accustomed to being the king of the hill and being appreciated as a artist.

That's what McCann is telling him they want but, at that meeting, he saw he was just another guy at the table. McCann isn't interested in letting him nap and go to the movies and ruminate over an account until he comes up with his singular vision.

Even though that meeting was about Miller Lite, leading every one to wonder if Don was going to get credit for the "great taste versus less filling" ad campaign, I noticed all the Coke cans around the table. I wonder if they are going to use Don's journey as an excuse for him coming up with "I'd like to buy the world a Coke / teach the world to sing"

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

I think that is a complete misrepresentation of Joan's journey, and a complete misunderstanding of what it was like to be a "career woman" in the 1950s and 60s ( and 70s).

Joan excelled at the role society prescribed for her when the show began. Women in the office were secretaries, and Joan rose to the top of that rank.

Remember when Joan proved so adept helping Harry Crane, proving they needed to expand his department, and they went out and hired a man.

The British never valued Joan as a professional, so she pursued the obvious course for a woman at that time. She married a professional man. But she already had a sense of her own worth in a workplace and itched to get back into it.

When SCDP was established, Joan proved her worth to the men and was rewarded with more professional responsibility. However, she was never given the respect she was due in that role.

What special professional skills did Lane Pryce have that made him valuable enough to be a name partner in SCDP?

Joan fucked guy to get her partnership, but is there any doubt that she was important enough to the running of SCDP that she deserved to be more than employee?

If Joan had limits on what she envisioned for herself, what she could achieve, and how far she could go in the advertising business, that was because she lived in a world where women were constantly being told that there were limits and that they should not have such aspirations.

Peggy represents the New Woman of the 1970s because she is young enough that she can take advantage of the doors that are being opened.

Joan is just at the tail end of the previous generation. She's just a decade older than Peggy but too old to access the opportunities now coming to women at the start of the 70s.

Originally Posted by msdmoney

Agreed, I think some of the downplaying in Joan's role in the company because she "just slept with a guy to get where she is" disregards the circumstances of the time. This episode was a perfect example, despite her status, clients, etc. McCann still sided with the junior account executive after he screwed up the call, because "he has a wife and kids," and "how would it look if he worked for a woman."

Originally Posted by bluetoast

Question I had: Was it a thing for maids/staff to refer to themselves in third person? Betty's maid said "Here she is" in reference to herself when she was being called.