No one mentioned the scene at the beginning with Daryl eating the worm. Why that character is considered a sex symbol by many continues to elude me.

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This post is way off on a tangent because of something I realized...

Even though property ownership rights aren't actually recognized in their world any longer - but if they were recognized, it means with both Hershel and Beth dead that their family property has been inherited by Maggie...

In other words, it means "Maggie's Farm" sort of exists in the world of The Walking Dead.


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About F'n time! This season has been an absolute bore so far.

I agree he's gnarly as @#$%.

No, I'm mostly fucking around. Clearly people living in a post apocalyptic world would be consumed with misery, anger, and depression. Clearly they'll talk about it with each other because they literally have nothing else to talk about. No TV, no movies, no work gossip, no friends gossip, nothing at all. Even books are basically worthless because they move during the day and no power at night (not to mention the added weight of a book). You either sulk or talk. And honestly, I think they spent more time sulking then talking in this episode.

In general, I liked it. Mild spoiler:

Haven't looked at many posts in this thread cause someone kind of spoiled (I diverted my eyes just in time) who the guy is that shows up at the end (I don't read the comics) - but I wanted to stop by and say that I actually really liked this episode - I see a lot of bashing on the interwebs saying it was slow and boring - not for me.

Thank you. I had forgotten about him. I thought that (more comic spoilers)

Further comic spoilers

Two stinkers in a row. I'm very close to dropping this one again.

The downside of shows with huge ratings .... viewers that need mindless action at all times and complain that nothing happened if they don't get it. This was one of the best episodes of the season.

This kind of argument was nonsense during the previous seasons and it's nonsense now.

I actually liked this episode for the most part, though it felt like an episode we've gotten two or three times before.

Except for the J Crew model that showed up at the end, nothing in it was especially memorable except for that scene with Maggie and Daryl sharing a moment together.

I don't watch every show for mindless action but I do watch this one for it.

That is because it's not really good at doing anything else. The characters aren't strong enough to support episodes like this nor is the writing staff skilled enough to make the dialogue not sound like it was written by a 5 year old.

Daryl was in a dark place, and not just the night in the cabin, but over the course of several episodes she brought him back from the depths.

Right from the comic. (For size)

It sounded clunky in the comic too.

I can't speak for the comics, but based solely on what I see in the show

Yeah that moment was a definite eye roller. Especially since he said it like 3 or 4 times in a row.

After the deaths of Beth and Tyreese, I thought this was a good episode to slow it down and let it all sink in. They're stuck in a deep funk and trying to find a way to push forward.

Uh ... Definitely don't agree with this assessment. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say maybe we are not agreeing on the vernacular. Perhaps a sociologist can step in and correct us, but to me ...

Rules are formal, fairly static, and violations are punishable in a defined manner. They can be changed through a formal process. You drive 56 mph in a 55 mph zone and you get a ticket for breaking the rule (no, you probably wouldn't, but a cop would not be wrong). You run down the basketball court without dribbling and you have to forfeit the ball for breaking the rule.

What you seem to be describing are norms. Norms are informal, change with popular opinion, and violations result in social punishment. Farting in church will earn you some dirty looks and people won't want to sit by you. Having sex with the cleaning lady on your desk is frowned upon.

I will agree with you on the reason Rick became the de facto leader of the group. I highly disagree that Rick is still maintaining any sense of humanity. I also highly disagree that our society's rules change based on the scenario. Our laws are developed in a reactionary manner, but they don't change on a whim.

Agreed on being protagonists not heroes. Agreed (and laughing my ass off) at them not heading up Mensa! I will also grant you that me disagreeing with their choices does not automatically make them stupid choices. The stupid choiced stand on their own.

I don't have an issue when they have a purpose. If there is good reason to believe there is hope at the CDC, Fort Benning, or Washington DC then I would go. Choosing to wander around in circles rather than trying to develop a sustainable survival method irks the living shit out of me though.

The Governor was bad news egged on by Merle ... but the rest of Woodbury? Nah, lets charge in and start a war and kill everybody.

Agreed on the prison. As for the rest ... (sarcasm here) you're right - preemptive strike. Let's wipe everybody out on the off chance they will eventually turn on us because we were being unsufferable douchebags.

The actors ... yes. The writers/show runner ... no.

I agree with your assessment. Rick is a control freak with trust issues, not a leader.

Yeah, I thought this speech came back in season 2 when Rick told everyone the CDC scientist said they were all already infected, and that regardless of how they die they become walkers. Was that not the case?

If thats true, why repeat it? lol

If true, then the only people that were around then were Carol, Daryl, Glenn, and Carl. Everyone else joined the group after that.

[edit]I think Rick told them about what the CDC guy said after they fled the farm, so add Maggie.