The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
11-25-14 | 09:55 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
The whole bit with Sasha and Tyreese talking about him finishing off "Good" Bob for her because she couldn't was basically intended to set up Sasha wanting, in a similar way, to help "Bad" Bob finish off his zombie-fied friend. So that talk was just to explain why she so easily fell for "Bad" Bob's ruse.
11-25-14 | 11:28 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
The part that pissed me off is that they used the same actor. Like how dumb do they think we are?
11-25-14 | 03:26 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
Dawn is all about making sure the alpha male cops are happy. Letting them do whatever to the women and charge up their DVD players and so on. It wasn't just that Beth questioned Dawn in front of the other cop, she forced Dawn to make a decision between helping Carol and keeping that cop happy. If Beth had suggested taking away from some other non-cop staff I think it would have gone differently.
Also, cops are trained in tactics and shootouts and such to a practically military level. They aren't like the Woodburyians or Terminites who mostly probably never held a gun before. A battle with the cops is much more risky even for Rick's group. Particularly with them having home turf advantage. Tyreese was right that it was foolish to try and metal gear solid their way in there because one mistake and there could be a lot of casualties.
Also, cops are trained in tactics and shootouts and such to a practically military level. They aren't like the Woodburyians or Terminites who mostly probably never held a gun before. A battle with the cops is much more risky even for Rick's group. Particularly with them having home turf advantage. Tyreese was right that it was foolish to try and metal gear solid their way in there because one mistake and there could be a lot of casualties.
I think Bob was the only 'real' cop left from that group. Didnt he say so in the episode?
11-25-14 | 03:39 PM
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11-25-14 | 04:21 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
Dawn is in some sort of power struggle within her group. I still don't understand the inner workings of this hospital group. The entire thing doesn't make much sense. Can they just add Noah to the main group and move on? TWD never takes the easy way out, unfortunately.
The hospital is about 5 seconds from going to complete shit - Dawn is trying to hold it together as much as she can.
The best example I can think of is The Rock - when Ed Harris leads the terrorist group but once it's time to give up/change direction, his muscle turns on him. Up until that point they had been following orders, but once they found out they weren't getting what they were promised, all bets were off.
11-25-14 | 08:04 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
Not relevant to this episode but still interesting.
Robert Kirkman, No. 1 on The Hollywood Reporter's most powerful comics writers list, has one major regret about AMC's adaptation of his long-running The Walking Dead — and it's a big one.
"If I had to do it again, I wouldn't have done the CDC episode [at the end of season one]," Kirkman told THR of the episode in which CDC doc Edwin Jenner (Noah Emmerich) reveals to Rick (Andrew Lincoln) that everyone is already infected.
Among the issues Kirkman has with the episode were Jenner's reveal that despite his research, he hasn't been able to find a cure — but that the French may be on to something as their scientists were the only ones who remained in their labs during the outbreak.
"I probably would have changed that stuff," he says. "I've been careful in the comic series to not say what's happening in other parts of the world. It's something that's going to be fun to explore in the spinoff series. But the fact that France is mentioned in that episode and other things like that, I probably would have steered away from that stuff if I had to do it all over again."
"If I had to do it again, I wouldn't have done the CDC episode [at the end of season one]," Kirkman told THR of the episode in which CDC doc Edwin Jenner (Noah Emmerich) reveals to Rick (Andrew Lincoln) that everyone is already infected.
Among the issues Kirkman has with the episode were Jenner's reveal that despite his research, he hasn't been able to find a cure — but that the French may be on to something as their scientists were the only ones who remained in their labs during the outbreak.
"I probably would have changed that stuff," he says. "I've been careful in the comic series to not say what's happening in other parts of the world. It's something that's going to be fun to explore in the spinoff series. But the fact that France is mentioned in that episode and other things like that, I probably would have steered away from that stuff if I had to do it all over again."
11-25-14 | 10:00 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
Not that it is related (and not that it excuses the show) but the comic makes a specific point in a few parts where characters state they have lost so many people that the only way they can deal with it is to essentially forget and move on. A simple conversation between Maggie and Glenn (on the show) would have gone a LONG way ...
11-25-14 | 10:04 PM
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11-25-14 | 10:10 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
Dawn was the original leader of the police at the hospital. She established a functional oasis - with power, food and protection. Now that it's been a little while, things are starting to break down. The other cops understand that without Dawn they might have a full-blown mutiny from the other people at the hospital. Dawn is trying to remain a strong leader in the eyes of the cops, but she's not a monster. That's why she helped Beth save Carol behind their backs.
The hospital is about 5 seconds from going to complete shit - Dawn is trying to hold it together as much as she can.
The best example I can think of is The Rock - when Ed Harris leads the terrorist group but once it's time to give up/change direction, his muscle turns on him. Up until that point they had been following orders, but once they found out they weren't getting what they were promised, all bets were off.
The hospital is about 5 seconds from going to complete shit - Dawn is trying to hold it together as much as she can.
The best example I can think of is The Rock - when Ed Harris leads the terrorist group but once it's time to give up/change direction, his muscle turns on him. Up until that point they had been following orders, but once they found out they weren't getting what they were promised, all bets were off.
11-25-14 | 10:33 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
11-26-14 | 05:31 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
Dawn is in some sort of power struggle within her group. I still don't understand the inner workings of this hospital group. The entire thing doesn't make much sense. Can they just add Noah to the main group and move on? TWD never takes the easy way out, unfortunately.
11-26-14 | 07:19 AM
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11-26-14 | 02:57 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
I disagree with Kirkman about the CDC stuff...that was much-needed exposition for fans early in the series. I actually wish we'd gotten a little more of that kind of stuff - it was interesting.
11-26-14 | 04:24 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
Not relevant to this episode, but I just watched the first two episodes from season one and the zombies have gotten much dumber since. One was using a brick trying to smash a window to get at the group, another (Morgan's zombified wife) was actually using a doorknob trying to get in the house, and the zombies actually RAN after Rick while he was in the city on the horse.
11-26-14 | 04:28 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
Not relevant to this episode, but I just watched the first two episodes from season one and the zombies have gotten much dumber since. One was using a brick trying to smash a window to get at the group, another (Morgan's zombified wife) was actually using a doorknob trying to get in the house, and the zombies actually RAN after Rick while he was in the city on the horse.
11-26-14 | 04:32 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
But we've certainly seen fresh zombies and recently turned people since then not move like that.
Let's be honest, we all know zombies behave in whatever manner fits the situation to allow for shocking or surprising attacks. Like how zombies are always growling and loud yet manage to always sneak up on people
Let's be honest, we all know zombies behave in whatever manner fits the situation to allow for shocking or surprising attacks. Like how zombies are always growling and loud yet manage to always sneak up on people
11-26-14 | 05:13 PM
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Makes more sense to me to do it their way. Filter there so that if there is any spillage or waste, you get as much as you can.
11-26-14 | 05:29 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
But we've certainly seen fresh zombies and recently turned people since then not move like that.
Let's be honest, we all know zombies behave in whatever manner fits the situation to allow for shocking or surprising attacks. Like how zombies are always growling and loud yet manage to always sneak up on people
Let's be honest, we all know zombies behave in whatever manner fits the situation to allow for shocking or surprising attacks. Like how zombies are always growling and loud yet manage to always sneak up on people
11-26-14 | 07:35 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
Yep. I doubt most viewers read articles or participate in forums about the show, so all they go on is what's presented in the series. Several of my co-workers have also been wondering why Maggie has expressed no interest in Beth's whereabouts or fate, so it's a common question (at least among the viewers on I know personally).
11-26-14 | 08:24 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
I wonder if the big twist won't be that Beth decides to stay at the hospital with the kooky kops.
Sort of got that vibe when Dawn told Beth she was strong. Rick's gang always sort of treated her like a helpless child. When, or if, the hostage exchange comes down, if Beth refuses to leave it will probably give her some status within the group.
All things considered, the hospital doesn't seem like a bad set up. They seem to have water and some electricity. It's good shelter, and seems well protected from walkers. And Officer Rape is dead.
It would also give them the opportunity to thin out the cast without another death.
Sort of got that vibe when Dawn told Beth she was strong. Rick's gang always sort of treated her like a helpless child. When, or if, the hostage exchange comes down, if Beth refuses to leave it will probably give her some status within the group.
All things considered, the hospital doesn't seem like a bad set up. They seem to have water and some electricity. It's good shelter, and seems well protected from walkers. And Officer Rape is dead.
It would also give them the opportunity to thin out the cast without another death.
11-27-14 | 01:58 AM
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11-27-14 | 07:30 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
If I had been wandering through a zombie apocalypse for a year and had put up with half of what these people have, you couldn't get me out of that hospital with a crowbar.
11-27-14 | 02:32 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E07) -- "Crossed" -- 11/23/14
I wonder if the big twist won't be that Beth decides to stay at the hospital with the kooky kops.
Sort of got that vibe when Dawn told Beth she was strong. Rick's gang always sort of treated her like a helpless child. When, or if, the hostage exchange comes down, if Beth refuses to leave it will probably give her some status within the group.
All things considered, the hospital doesn't seem like a bad set up. They seem to have water and some electricity. It's good shelter, and seems well protected from walkers. And Officer Rape is dead.
It would also give them the opportunity to thin out the cast without another death.
Sort of got that vibe when Dawn told Beth she was strong. Rick's gang always sort of treated her like a helpless child. When, or if, the hostage exchange comes down, if Beth refuses to leave it will probably give her some status within the group.
All things considered, the hospital doesn't seem like a bad set up. They seem to have water and some electricity. It's good shelter, and seems well protected from walkers. And Officer Rape is dead.
It would also give them the opportunity to thin out the cast without another death.
11-27-14 | 02:53 PM
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