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j.j. smith 08-19-14 02:15 PM

Why is there not anymore good sitcoms??
 
I'm just wandering why they cant produce anymore good sitcoms, that attract all kinds of ages?? Thoughts??

RichC2 08-19-14 02:21 PM

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I like a good number of sitcoms these days, but the days of the family sitcom has kind of gone away. The last one I can think of was King of Queens. I think with all the channels out there, everything has simply been spread too thin. CBS tried with Mike and Molly, and failed.

Plus there hasn't really been a family friendly comedian to base one around lately.

I still like Modern Family, but more often that's more an adult show about family than a family show. So I guess there's also The Middle?

j.j. smith 08-19-14 02:29 PM

Re: Why is there not anymore good sitcoms??
 
I think also that these college kids that are being hired, have never experienced real life comical situations or dramatic situations. Just because you got good grades,went U C L A film school and you have in, doesn't make you a great writer! And i think that's why the all these sitcoms are failing bad!!

RichC2 08-19-14 02:30 PM

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Naw. Most of the people in charge of sitcoms right now are people like Chuck Lorre (two and a half men, big bang theory, mom, etc; ) whose in his 60s. The creators of most sitcoms right now are around 50. They have their own distinctive comedic taste, which is popular, but sucks for most of us. They're trying to be edgy but a pretty terrible at it.

There's also something painfully unnatural about the delivery on most sitcoms these days, it's some weird over-the-top soundstage production that doesn't work well.

DJariya 08-19-14 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 12204861)
No. Most of the people in charge of sitcoms right now are people like Chuck Lorre (two and a half men, big bang theory, mom, etc; ) whose in his 60s. The creators of most sitcoms right now are around 50. They have their own distinctive comedic taste, which is popular, but sucks for most of us.

Michael Patrick King, who is the head writer, creator and showrunner for 2 Broke Girls, is 59 years old. And that show gets alot of crap for it's gross & juvenile humor. He's hardly a 20 something film student fresh from college.

Humor is so subjective. Some really popular comedies are loathed and some not so popular, lowly rated comedies have cult followings.

j.j. smith 08-19-14 02:35 PM

Re: Why is there not anymore good sitcoms??
 
These couple shows, I don't even waist time, id rather watch general hospital!!lol! But seriously, look at nbc, they have three new comedies coming out, one is entitled A to Z, and the other is another couple show, they wont make it a year!! Wandering who makes these decisions?? Who's getting closed on all this BS!!

RichC2 08-19-14 02:36 PM

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Yep. But I also noticed the lack of family centric sitcoms lately. There really isn't one the whole family can sit down to and enjoy like there were (ad nauseum) in the 90s. I forgot about The Goldbergs.


Originally Posted by j.j. smith (Post 12204865)
These couple shows, I don't even waist time, id rather watch general hospital!!lol! But seriously, look at nbc, they have three new comedies coming out, one is entitled A to Z, and the other is another couple show, they wont make it a year!! Wandering who makes these decisions?? Who's getting closed on all this BS!!

NBC has had luck targeting a subset of the 18 - 49 household crowd that pulls $100,000+ combined income. They greenlight shows that appeal specifically to that demo, generally young professionals and young couples. A to Z is actually the only one of their programs I have any upcoming interest in due to its star (Cristin Milioti), but agree it's doubtful to last a year.

I'm more interested in Celebrity Beat-off.

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Groucho 08-19-14 02:37 PM

Re: Why is there not anymore good sitcoms??
 
Louie
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
The League

davidh777 08-19-14 02:40 PM

Re: Why is there not anymore good sitcoms??
 
For all-ages shows, you might try Nick or ABC Family rather than the main networks.

DJariya 08-19-14 02:43 PM

Re: Why is there not anymore good sitcoms??
 
You're not going to find anything like Growing Pains, Who's the Boss, Step by Step or Diff'rent Strokes on TV nowadays. That "family friendly" type comedy has come and gone.

Most nowadays don't seem to enjoy those multi-camera 90's style sitcoms anymore.

j.j. smith 08-19-14 02:43 PM

Re: Why is there not anymore good sitcoms??
 
Im a professional and I am in my 40's, wife also, and a lot of friends as well! None of us even watch any of that garbage! I guess im use to the taxi's, cheers', happy days and wings!! the great ones!!

PhantomStranger 08-19-14 02:45 PM

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The viewing audience is too fractured today, families don't watch television together anymore. Sitcoms were always kind of disposable comedy, relying on their characters and formula for success. The Big Bang Theory is just about the last successful true sitcom, but even that did not become a monster hit until it hit syndication.

DJariya 08-19-14 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 12204885)
The viewing audience is too fractured today, families don't watch television together anymore. Sitcoms were always kind of disposable comedy, relying on their characters and formula for success. The Big Bang Theory is just about the last successful true sitcom, but even that did not become a monster hit until it hit syndication.

The DVR and streaming essentially killed families watching shows and family friendly shows together. No one nowadays seems too concerned about watching their favorite shows at 8pm on Mondays or whatever. People watch stuff on their own schedule when they have time. That's why you don't see those types of shows get made anymore.

RoyalTea 08-19-14 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 12204878)
You're not going to find anything like Growing Pains, Who's the Boss, Step by Step or Diff'rent Strokes on TV nowadays. That "family friendly" type comedy has come and gone.

Most nowadays don't seem to enjoy those multi-camera 90's style sitcoms anymore.

though's types of shows is not come and gone!! they still exist on basic cables. You might think you're 80s shows are much superior, but you saw that shows as a kid. Todays kids like todays kids shows just as much as you liked your shows when you were kid!!!

resinrats 08-19-14 02:51 PM

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Tim Allen's Last Man Standing is a traditional family sitcom.

davidh777 08-19-14 02:51 PM

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These days "family" shows are reality competitions and the like.

j.j. smith 08-19-14 02:55 PM

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I think there is something out there that could be a big hit, and necessarily doesn't have to be from L.A. or N.Y. person!!

madcougar 08-19-14 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 12204885)
The viewing audience is too fractured today, families don't watch television together anymore. Sitcoms were always kind of disposable comedy, relying on their characters and formula for success. The Big Bang Theory is just about the last successful true sitcom, but even that did not become a monster hit until it hit syndication.

Exactly. I had this same conversation with my girlfriend last night. Technology has taken away the need to sit and watch live tv. I've been binge watching Game of Thrones on demand and realized that I was sort of missing on the "group" aspect of a show like this because I wasn't watching it in "real time" with people, but consuming it in one whole chunk. Same with the "family" sitcom. Few families actually sit down and watch tv together. Heck, I bet that kids today don't even watch tv anymore.

fujishig 08-19-14 03:12 PM

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I think it's also similar to why there aren't weekday afternoon or Saturday Morning cartoon blocks on regular tv anymore... there are whole channels dedicate to that stuff, playing things on repeat 24/7, so kids have their own thing to watch; throw in Netflix streaming, which is full of kids shows, and you can have the rugrats entertained while mom and dad sit down to watch whatever they want to watch.

edited to add: if this is like the setup for some epic spam, then kudos to the OP for at least putting some effort into the thread. If not, welcome to the board!

j.j. smith 08-19-14 03:14 PM

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Two and a half men was good with Charlie.

Drexl 08-19-14 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 12204848)
Plus there hasn't really been a family friendly comedian to base one around lately.

I was about to suggest Jim Gaffigan as one you could build a show around.

And then, speak of the devil: http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/07/29/tv...ael-ian-black/

northmoor 08-19-14 07:53 PM

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I agree and have also wondered why there do not seem to be any current sitcoms that are in the category of some of the ones I really enjoyed through the years: Andy Griffith, Leave It To Beaver, Gomer Pyle, hogan's Heroes, All In The Family, Happy Days, M.A.S.H., Taxi, Cheers, Friends, Seinfeld, .... to name some. Are there any current sitcoms that people would rank with those?

Xiroteus 08-19-14 08:00 PM

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I have not had a sitcom on my radar in over a decade. They could be good yet there is no hook for me.

Michael Corvin 08-19-14 08:31 PM

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Family sitcoms in the vein of TGI Friday blocks are alive and well on Disney channel. Good Luck Charlie, Jessie, Girl Meets World, Austin & Allie are very much in the same vein as Step by Step, Full House, Family Matters, ahem, Boy Meets World, etc. Haven't watched the 80s-90s shows lately but I don't recall them being up there with, say Cosby. Full House is still pretty fun to watch with the kids. The Disney shows do share one thing in common, ridiculous over-acting.


Originally Posted by davidh777 (Post 12204901)
These days "family" shows are reality competitions and the like.

It's a chicken or egg situation though. Families watch these shows because that's what's on(we do AGT, the Voice, Mythbusters and Bear Grylls' shows). If networks were capable of producing decent family sitcoms anymore we'd watch those.


Originally Posted by j.j. smith (Post 12204950)
Two and a half men was good with Charlie.

Ban him!


Originally Posted by northmoor (Post 12205303)
I agree and have also wondered why there do not seem to be any current sitcoms that are in the category of some of the ones I really enjoyed through the years: Andy Griffith, Leave It To Beaver, Gomer Pyle, hogan's Heroes, All In The Family, Happy Days, M.A.S.H., Taxi, Cheers, Friends, Seinfeld, .... to name some. Are there any current sitcoms that people would rank with those?

Depends on how you define sitcom. All the ones you mentioned are traditional multi-cam shows with either a live audience or some form of canned laugh track which are rare these days. The comedies without an audience (Modern Family, 30 Rock, Arrested Development) tend to get more critical acclaim than your Big Bang Theory(look nerds!), Mike & Molly's (fat jokes!) and Broke Girls shows.

Original Desmond 08-19-14 08:57 PM

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I agree that the quality of sitcoms has gone downhill and what's more, ones which show some promise (e.g. i thought Friends with Better lives) get cancelled very early on

Doesn't help that you have rubbish like Anger Management with a 70 episode season

Drexl 08-19-14 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by northmoor (Post 12205303)
I agree and have also wondered why there do not seem to be any current sitcoms that are in the category of some of the ones I really enjoyed through the years: Andy Griffith, Leave It To Beaver, Gomer Pyle, hogan's Heroes, All In The Family, Happy Days, M.A.S.H., Taxi, Cheers, Friends, Seinfeld, .... to name some. Are there any current sitcoms that people would rank with those?

They aren't really current, but from the last decade I loved Arrested Development and Curb Your Enthusiasm. But those aren't family shows.

Michael Corvin 08-19-14 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Original Desmond (Post 12205379)
I agree that the quality of sitcoms has gone downhill and what's more, ones which show some promise (e.g. i thought Friends with Better lives) get cancelled very early on

Doesn't help that you have rubbish like Anger Management with a 70 episode season

Happy Endings :wave:

Gizmo 08-19-14 11:16 PM

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The Middle is a "good" sitcom with no laugh track. Same with The Goldbergs.

I no longer watch shows with laugh tracks so...yeah. Watch those two above.

Mr. Salty 08-19-14 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 12204878)
You're not going to find anything like Growing Pains, Who's the Boss, Step by Step or Diff'rent Strokes on TV nowadays. That "family friendly" type comedy has come and gone.

Most nowadays don't seem to enjoy those multi-camera 90's style sitcoms anymore.

All of those except Step by Step are from the 1970s through mid-1980s, not the 1990s.

Originally Posted by j.j. smith (Post 12204950)
Two and a half men was good with Charlie.

Sorry, but no. Two and a Half Men is and was one if the dumbest shows on TV, and I certainly don't see how it's family friendly.

There are plenty of good sitcoms on if you look around. Off the top of my head: Modern Family, Big Bang Theory, Parks and Rec, Louie, Community, New Girl, It's Always Sunny, Brooklyn Nine- Nine, Mike and Molly, and the recently departed Raising Hope.

writer106 08-20-14 01:17 AM

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I do like some of the family type sitcoms that are on basic cable channels like Disney, Nick, and ABC Family. Those sitcoms aren't extremely great, but they are ok shows to watch if you DVR them.

I grew up in the 90s and I was a fan of the TGIF sitcoms. After watching reruns years later of those shows, the shows that weren't too cheesy were Step by Step and Boy Meets World. Home Improvement wasn't apart of the TGIF lineup, but it was a decent family type sitcom. The same goes for Blossom on NBC.

I think they are a lot of great adult geared sitcoms these days as others have mentioned here. I do find laugh track sitcoms a bit annoying these days. I know some people who can't get into and don't like single camera/non-laugh track sitcoms like Parks and Rec, Community, etc.

wearetheborg 08-20-14 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty (Post 12205528)
There are plenty of good sitcoms on if you look around. Off the top of my head: Modern Family, Big Bang Theory, Parks and Rec, Louie, Community, New Girl, It's Always Sunny, Brooklyn Nine- Nine, Mike and Molly, and the recently departed Raising Hope.

These are decent, but none have characters that I would really miss once they are gone.

The last great sitcom for me was That 70's show.
Actually also Scrubs. It's a pity the last season did not do well, I liked the new cast actually.

j.j. smith 08-20-14 08:26 AM

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Ive never watched the big bang theory, or any of those liberal shows!! Its time for some one to discover some fresh talent, and doesn't have to be a stand up comedic guy, got to be something out there!!

RichC2 08-20-14 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by wearetheborg (Post 12205601)
These are decent, but none have characters that I would really miss once they are gone.

The last great sitcom for me was That 70's show.
Actually also Scrubs. It's a pity the last season did not do well, I liked the new cast actually.

I think Modern Family is pretty great, or has been in the past, but it isn't a traditional sitcom. That 70s Show was and was also excellent.

But when you look at what sells these days (TBBT is #1, and before that Two and a Half Men was.), there's a reason why they aren't trying anymore. Terrible sells.

astrochimp 08-20-14 08:46 AM

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I used to wander, but not anymore.

davidh777 08-20-14 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Original Desmond (Post 12205379)
I agree that the quality of sitcoms has gone downhill and what's more, ones which show some promise (e.g. i thought Friends with Better lives) get cancelled very early on.

Two of the only recent sitcoms I committed to were Friends with Better Lives and Don't Trust the B in Apartment 23 (neither family-friendly and yes, both with the Beek). Both canceled, of course, though at least B got a second season.


Originally Posted by Original Desmond (Post 12205379)
Doesn't help that you have rubbish like Anger Management with a 70 episode season

I recall that there were unusual circumstances with that show and the Sheen contract.

RichC2 08-20-14 10:22 AM

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Not really, it's a 10/90 which is becoming popular. They give the show 10 episodes, and if they want to keep it they do a 90 episode second season.

mphtrilogy 08-20-14 10:25 AM

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Modern family, the goldbergs and the Big Bang theory are all very funny network sitcoms IMHO.

Veep and Silicon Valley are really funny on hbo

Louie, although not a traditional sitcom by any stretch, has some very funny moments


The old school sitcoms can be found on disney channel with shows like good luck charlie and nick at night originals...

Tbs has been trying its hand at that sitcom factory as well, but can't evaluate it as I have not watched any of them..,

Hokeyboy 08-20-14 11:01 AM

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The grammar in this thread title... I can't even...

hanshotfirst1138 08-20-14 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 12205878)
The grammar in this thread title... I can't even...

I'm an English-lit major Grammar Nazi, imagine how I feel ;).

Michael Corvin 08-20-14 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by j.j. smith (Post 12205725)
Ive never watched the big bang theory, or any of those liberal shows!!

You do realize BBT is by the same guy that made Two and a Half Men, which you praised...right?

I'll probably regret this but what does politics have to do with it?


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