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What story?

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Oh I didn't know "she deserved it."

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The "it" that you refer to has never been proven to have happened. She has accused Sanz, and he has denied it.

But yes, I am calling bullshit on the idea that a high school age girl was spending her Saturdays in the company of a 30 year old male celebrity, attending wild and drunken all-night parties in Manhattan, but she never suspected that he was looking to fuck her.

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I’ve hung out with plenty of women who knew I wanted to bang them but they didn’t feel the same. I guess I should have just raped all of them.

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Sanz was never accused of rape, he was accused of sexual assault. He was accused of doing what the former President of the United States proudly admits to have done to women. Not that that makes it right, but let's be honest about what we are talking about here.

Anyways, if you had sexually assaulted any of these women, it would have been against the law. I'm not saying it would not be so.

But you say these women knew you wanted to "bang them." This woman says she had no idea Sanz had such designs on her. That's the issue I have with the situation. I don't believe her. I don't believe she could be that stupid.

I think she knew exactly what she was doing. She was gambling, and she was winning, until (allegedly) she lost.

It is possible for a victim to be culpable for placing themselves in the position to be victimized without diminishing the severity of the crime enacted upon them. The two ideas can exist at the same time.

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But your post did diminish the severity of the crime enacted upon them.

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One of the people in this accusation is a child. One of them is an adult. The accountability is on the adult.

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That's just how you chose to read it.

Also, a crime was accused, not proven.

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You believe that a 16-17 year old does not have any personal agency in how they live their life and the actions they choose to take? I do not believe that is the case.

Also, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this teenager had at least one parent who was responsible for her well-being.

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Can’t interpret it any other way.

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You're wrong. If I had wanted to diminish the severity of the criminality of what Sanz was accused of, I would have written words stating that opinion. I did not. I am clearly not shy about stating opinions that I know most people here will vehemently disagree with. All my posts are stating my opinion that she shared culpability for placing herself in this situation. Again, 30 year old men do not pursue social friendships with teenage girls. She, or her parent, or someone in her life was smart enough to know that, but didn't do anything to stop her from being out all night partying with adults.

Later on, when I have more free time, I will post a story that demonstrates my point.

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Why do you hate females so much?


EDIT - I should ask why do you resent females so much?

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Here's hoping you don't post that story. A woman who gets her butt slapped by a drunk person at a party is not at fault in any way. Oh but she was wearing Daisy Dukes. She's not at fault.

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The problem with this World:

People: Hey, there is a problem. It's bad and needs to stop.

Other People: It's like that everywhere. Just deal with it. or Meh, it's always been that way <shoulder shrug>

People: So we shouldn't do better? We shouldn't call out those who keep doing it? We shouldn't make sure it's no longer normalized?

Other People: Nope. Just let it happen. Doing something to make things better is "woke"

People: ... Sigh

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I don't know if I agree with the premise of your question. I guess I would ask why some people around here hate the whole truth about these celebrity news stories. Is anything I'm saying about this person untrue?

It seems like the controversy is that some people think that because someone is legally a minor, they should be considered mentally as a child. I don't believe that is true. If a 16/17 year old has enough independence and agency to repeatedly gain access to all-night celebrity parties, then they can be considered mature enough to share responsibility for the consequences of their choices. This does not mean that if they are the victim of a crime, that the crime is mitigated, or that the criminal is less guilty. But it may mean that they made some really stupid choices that led to them becoming a victim. And society should be willing to admit that, and examine THE ENTIRE situation for what it is.

Again, a very basic and very simple question: where were this girl's parents?

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What if that woman wears her Daisy Dukes to a party at the national Men Slapping Women's Butts convention, should she be surprised if she ends up with sore ass cheeks?

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Because word salad aside, your response is that nothing would have happened if she wasn't there. Since she was, she deserved what she got. That's what you're saying and you can blah blah blah it to death, but you just might be a prick. Someone hurt you and now you resent the opposite sex for whatever reason. This isn't the first time you've gone on tangents on women.

The funny thing is that Fallon came out and apologized, so if he did nothing wrong then what's he apologizing for? Oh yeah, "optics." Nothing happened according to you, or if it did, she was asking for it, again, according to you. :sarcasm:

Then folks wonder why these crimes go unreported. It's no secret why they don't.

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Not to be flippant, but to be honest (from my perspective), as William Munny said, "Deserves got nothing to do with it." She should not have been there. There were compelling reasons for her to be where she was, but she should not have been there.

Deserving something implies a reward or punishment. I don't believe this woman deserved to be punished.

Well, since you brought it up, Fallon apologized to his staff, but he did not apologize for any of the specific allegations made in RS article. His apology, as reported in the media, could be read as an apology for the workplace being in the news under such a bad light. He talks about the RS story being embarrassing, not true.

This is what Varity and Entertainment Weekly say he said:
I don't see an admission that he was coming to work drunk or hungover. I don't see an admission that his behavior was erratic and mean, that he berated and belittled people, as the RS article claimed.

Are we to read his admission that the show is not as fun, inclusive, and good as it should be as him admitting that he is a monster who is running a toxic workplace?

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I hope you warmed up before that stretch!

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He says it wasn't awkward, not that it didn't happen.
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/j...Pos=3#cxrecs_s

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They are also buddies and Jerry dated a highschooler when he was in his 30's so I'm going to take his statements with a grain of salt.

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Maybe a case of Millennials or Generation Z being overly sensitive to everything and WTF is a cry room?

Maybe there will be a story of Drew Barrymore being a pain behind the scenes since it seems the people that seem the most affable and happy on the air have some baggage

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Well, in restaurants the cry room is usually the walk-in freezer, and it's been that way long before millenials.

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Outside of his 90-minute Tonight Show slot, almost everyone says Carson was a social introvert who didn't like parties or "entertaining" people in small crowds. He was like the anti-Robin Williams off screen.