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Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
10-07-13 | 04:53 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Uhmmm.... I am pretty sure Quinn 'saw that'. And Angel got it as well but decided to go into denial at that point. But yeah. Shifty ending. At least there is closure.
10-07-13 | 05:39 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Fanatics of a TV show often fight to keep their favorite characters alive, but one of the biggest complaints of the much-bashed “Dexter” finale is that the vigilante serial killer protagonist didn’t die. According to “Dexter” producer John Goldwyn, the writers didn’t have a choice in the matter.
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“They won’t let us kill him,” he told Vulture at the New York Film Festival premiere of “The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.” “Showtime was very clear about that. When we told them the arc for the last season, they just said, ‘Just to be clear, he’s going to live.’”
“There were a lot of endings discussed because it was a very interesting problem to solve, to bring it to a close,” he continued. “People have a relationship with Dexter, even if it doesn’t have the size and the ferocity of the fan base for ‘Breaking Bad.’ But it has a very core loyal following.”
“Breaking Bad” ended its run with a finale that was generally decreed satisfying, seeing its protagonist die. In stark contrast, fans were largely disappointed and even outraged by the “Dexter” finale, which saw the title character drive his boat straight into a hurricane, only to later apparently become a lumberjack.
Many fans saw the ending as a cop-out, and wanted to see Dexter pay for his deeds. Critics also pointed out the flaws of the finale, with Variety‘s Brian Lowry calling the sendoff sloppy.
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“They won’t let us kill him,” he told Vulture at the New York Film Festival premiere of “The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.” “Showtime was very clear about that. When we told them the arc for the last season, they just said, ‘Just to be clear, he’s going to live.’”
“There were a lot of endings discussed because it was a very interesting problem to solve, to bring it to a close,” he continued. “People have a relationship with Dexter, even if it doesn’t have the size and the ferocity of the fan base for ‘Breaking Bad.’ But it has a very core loyal following.”
“Breaking Bad” ended its run with a finale that was generally decreed satisfying, seeing its protagonist die. In stark contrast, fans were largely disappointed and even outraged by the “Dexter” finale, which saw the title character drive his boat straight into a hurricane, only to later apparently become a lumberjack.
Many fans saw the ending as a cop-out, and wanted to see Dexter pay for his deeds. Critics also pointed out the flaws of the finale, with Variety‘s Brian Lowry calling the sendoff sloppy.
10-07-13 | 05:59 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
“Breaking Bad” ended its run with a finale that was generally decreed satisfying, seeing its protagonist die. In stark contrast, fans were largely disappointed and even outraged by the “Dexter” finale, which saw the title character drive his boat straight into a hurricane, only to later apparently become a lumberjack.
Sounds even worse when you boil it down to the essentials.
10-07-13 | 07:28 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Dexter either needed to die, or at least get found out by everyone (on the run or not) or both.
With the ending they provided, nothing was accomplished. Instead they keep him alive, and Hannah's the only one that knows his secret (and Luman I guess) and they put him in an absurd situation where he no longer feels the urge to kill - yet he's no longer with his son.
It's a cop-out AND it doesn't make any sense.
With the ending they provided, nothing was accomplished. Instead they keep him alive, and Hannah's the only one that knows his secret (and Luman I guess) and they put him in an absurd situation where he no longer feels the urge to kill - yet he's no longer with his son.
It's a cop-out AND it doesn't make any sense.
10-07-13 | 08:46 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
I wonder how much of the series was messed up by Showtime's meddling. I still think the writers and especially Scott Buck are fucking idiots for a lot of the choices they made in season eight but that line in that article makes me think that Showtime wants to try and bring the show or the character back somehow or leave that option open at least. Dexter didn't need to die necessarily to make the series satisfying but it needed a way more better conclusion than the bullshit that was the final season.
10-08-13 | 12:46 AM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
If they think Dexter not dying in the finale was "the" problem fans of the show had with the last season then they are even dumber than I thought.
10-08-13 | 01:03 AM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
I still think the writers and especially Scott Buck are fucking idiots for a lot of the choices they made in season eight but that line in that article makes me think that Showtime wants to try and bring the show or the character back somehow or leave that option open at least.
Same with the ambiguous ending of The Sopranos. Of course now that James Gandolfini is no longer with us, that's moot and we can now assume that Tony took a bullet in the skull when the screen went black.
11-30-13 | 10:41 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
What an absolutely horrible, and lazy-writing end to the show. Finally got around to watching it. Where do I even begin to list the implausibles? I'm sure everyone here has covered everything, but off the top of my head:
1) Hannah hasn't even seen Elway before!!! When Elway checked out Deb's house, Hannah was hiding in the bedroom. So how come she knew Elway was looking for her at the airport and she goes to the ladies room to hide? (OK, that airport scene was in the penultimate episode).
2) Deb gets a stroke after surgery? No.... lazy-ass writing there. NOT plausible at all. Blood clots after surgery are believable, but they originate in deep veins and the clot goes to the heart to cause a "pulmonary embolism" and you die that way. Clots that cause strokes do not happen in young people after surgery, and those type of clots originate from the heart (not from after surgery) because of heart conditions like arrhythmias. Sorry, I really think that is lazy writing, from a medical professional's perspective.
3) So Dex pulls the plug on Deb because she's a vegetable for 1 day? Give me a fucking break. You pull the plug if maybe after a week, not after 24 hrs. You never know how the brain is going to recover until a few days after the injury.
4) Dexter the logger..... OK
Seriously, what an epic failure of a serie's finale.
1) Hannah hasn't even seen Elway before!!! When Elway checked out Deb's house, Hannah was hiding in the bedroom. So how come she knew Elway was looking for her at the airport and she goes to the ladies room to hide? (OK, that airport scene was in the penultimate episode).
2) Deb gets a stroke after surgery? No.... lazy-ass writing there. NOT plausible at all. Blood clots after surgery are believable, but they originate in deep veins and the clot goes to the heart to cause a "pulmonary embolism" and you die that way. Clots that cause strokes do not happen in young people after surgery, and those type of clots originate from the heart (not from after surgery) because of heart conditions like arrhythmias. Sorry, I really think that is lazy writing, from a medical professional's perspective.
3) So Dex pulls the plug on Deb because she's a vegetable for 1 day? Give me a fucking break. You pull the plug if maybe after a week, not after 24 hrs. You never know how the brain is going to recover until a few days after the injury.
4) Dexter the logger..... OK
Seriously, what an epic failure of a serie's finale.
12-01-13 | 04:01 AM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
What an absolutely horrible, and lazy-writing end to the show. Finally got around to watching it. Where do I even begin to list the implausibles? I'm sure everyone here has covered everything, but off the top of my head:
1) Hannah hasn't even seen Elway before!!! When Elway checked out Deb's house, Hannah was hiding in the bedroom. So how come she knew Elway was looking for her at the airport and she goes to the ladies room to hide? (OK, that airport scene was in the penultimate episode).
2) Deb gets a stroke after surgery? No.... lazy-ass writing there. NOT plausible at all. Blood clots after surgery are believable, but they originate in deep veins and the clot goes to the heart to cause a "pulmonary embolism" and you die that way. Clots that cause strokes do not happen in young people after surgery, and those type of clots originate from the heart (not from after surgery) because of heart conditions like arrhythmias. Sorry, I really think that is lazy writing, from a medical professional's perspective.
3) So Dex pulls the plug on Deb because she's a vegetable for 1 day? Give me a fucking break. You pull the plug if maybe after a week, not after 24 hrs. You never know how the brain is going to recover until a few days after the injury.
4) Dexter the logger..... OK
Seriously, what an epic failure of a serie's finale.
1) Hannah hasn't even seen Elway before!!! When Elway checked out Deb's house, Hannah was hiding in the bedroom. So how come she knew Elway was looking for her at the airport and she goes to the ladies room to hide? (OK, that airport scene was in the penultimate episode).
2) Deb gets a stroke after surgery? No.... lazy-ass writing there. NOT plausible at all. Blood clots after surgery are believable, but they originate in deep veins and the clot goes to the heart to cause a "pulmonary embolism" and you die that way. Clots that cause strokes do not happen in young people after surgery, and those type of clots originate from the heart (not from after surgery) because of heart conditions like arrhythmias. Sorry, I really think that is lazy writing, from a medical professional's perspective.
3) So Dex pulls the plug on Deb because she's a vegetable for 1 day? Give me a fucking break. You pull the plug if maybe after a week, not after 24 hrs. You never know how the brain is going to recover until a few days after the injury.
4) Dexter the logger..... OK
Seriously, what an epic failure of a serie's finale.
12-01-13 | 09:02 AM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Also Dexter just carries Debra out of the hospital without anybody questioning what was going on, and he happens to have his boat "parked" there. Incredibly stupid.
12-01-13 | 08:02 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Can we pretend all seasons after the fourth never happened? They would have been better off having a time jump in season five with Harrison becoming the main character and Dexter taking on the Harry role (except maybe alive). The last seasons of this show were a complete waste of time and the quality fell off a cliff after the greatness of seasons one, two, and four.
12-26-13 | 01:19 AM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Just finished watching all of Dexter season 8 the last few days
This season had so much potential but they really dropped the ball. After every episode, it wasn't a case of 'damm i can't wait to watch the next episode', it was more like "damm i still have another X number of episodes to struggle through'
Vogel was an interesting character, Zach Hamilton was an interesting character but it just all never worked and it just seemed every man and his dog knew who Dexter really was. It wasn't 'special' anymore
Hard to root against Hannah cos she is so damm hot and you just want to see her nekkid
elway was a friggin clown
Oliver saxon/Daniel vogel was a pathetic final season villian especially compared to some of the previous season villians
Deb was written to be such an all over the place character that i just didn't care when she died, no emotion at all, and it was so stupid one minute she was fine after the shooting and the next she was critical, sloppy writing. I would have cared more if Baptista or Quinn died.
dexter's boat happens to be at the hospital ? WTF !
and the dexter death fake out was pathetic
Boy do i feel cheated with this last season
This season had so much potential but they really dropped the ball. After every episode, it wasn't a case of 'damm i can't wait to watch the next episode', it was more like "damm i still have another X number of episodes to struggle through'
Vogel was an interesting character, Zach Hamilton was an interesting character but it just all never worked and it just seemed every man and his dog knew who Dexter really was. It wasn't 'special' anymore
Hard to root against Hannah cos she is so damm hot and you just want to see her nekkid
elway was a friggin clown
Oliver saxon/Daniel vogel was a pathetic final season villian especially compared to some of the previous season villians
Deb was written to be such an all over the place character that i just didn't care when she died, no emotion at all, and it was so stupid one minute she was fine after the shooting and the next she was critical, sloppy writing. I would have cared more if Baptista or Quinn died.
dexter's boat happens to be at the hospital ? WTF !
and the dexter death fake out was pathetic
Boy do i feel cheated with this last season
12-26-13 | 11:11 AM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Terrible. Also I read that the execs said that Dexter must survive at the end. Not that any change related to that would salvage anything but to issue that kind of mandate...ridiculous.
12-26-13 | 12:03 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Part of me is wondering if the writers purposefully took a giant dump on the show after getting the mandate handed down from the higher ups. Just to ensure that any spin off would bomb. Considering how bad the final season turned out, it makes more sense than them just thinking this was the best way to end the series.
12-26-13 | 12:12 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Part of me is wondering if the writers purposefully took a giant dump on the show after getting the mandate handed down from the higher ups. Just to ensure that any spin off would bomb. Considering how bad the final season turned out, it makes more sense than them just thinking this was the best way to end the series.
12-26-13 | 12:38 PM
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12-26-13 | 04:13 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
I believe they also said he couldn't go to jail. Probably because Showtime was hoping to set up a spin off of some kind. Having the show end with Deb being killed and Dexter needing to be on the run was never a bad idea, it was just horribly executed.
Part of me is wondering if the writers purposefully took a giant dump on the show after getting the mandate handed down from the higher ups. Just to ensure that any spin off would bomb. Considering how bad the final season turned out, it makes more sense than them just thinking this was the best way to end the series.
Part of me is wondering if the writers purposefully took a giant dump on the show after getting the mandate handed down from the higher ups. Just to ensure that any spin off would bomb. Considering how bad the final season turned out, it makes more sense than them just thinking this was the best way to end the series.
If the showrunner/writers were so outraged about Showtime's "Dexter can't die" mandate they simply could have ended the show exactly like they ended it and then imply that "everything after the hurricane is a dream" or some such nonsense in interviews or whatever but guess what? That doesn't account for the extreme mediocrety in the 9-10 episodes leading up to that.
The first two or three episodes showed a lot of promise, but "Dexter is a lumberjack" has literally zero to do with the excruciatingly-dull mess that quickly set in. It didn't retroactively make the previous episodes awful, they already were.
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12-26-13 | 04:16 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Pardon me. I must have missed the day where tounge in cheek comments were banned on this forum.
12-26-13 | 09:43 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
I just blind bought S1-S4 on the cheap. Looking forward to watching it, but not so much through the rest of the series? given the reviews of how it ended up?
12-27-13 | 10:23 AM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
Just watch seasons one through four. Do not continue on. Consider season four the conclusion to the show.
You will not take my advice and want to see where the show goes. You will watch season five and say its not that bad. Then you will watch season six and say its still not that horrible. Then you will watch season 7 and say its still worth watching. And even with season 8 you will find some enjoyment since the show is still on for another season and you get to see all the characters again for one more season.
But it's never really good, and then you realize that you have been making excuses for the show since season five instead of praising it. Then the show ends, and you realize how long you have been getting shit on.... Since season 5.
Just watch season one through four.
12-27-13 | 10:49 AM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
The first half of season 8 was actually good. The best Dexter episodes since Season 5 or so. But then it went really bad. Season 7 bad or even worse.
But yeah Jack Straw, if you only watch the four season you'll like the show.
But yeah Jack Straw, if you only watch the four season you'll like the show.
12-27-13 | 12:39 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
One thing which made the early series interesting was how Dexter had to work so hard to cover his tracks from his kills and hide things from everyone around him
Now in this season with everyone knowing he's a killer, the kills were just in the open, wham bang thank you mam kills and it made everything seem so bland
by the end i was actually rooting for something exciting like Harrison getting raped and murdered (or murdered then raped)
That at least would have instilled some genuine passion into the characters
Now in this season with everyone knowing he's a killer, the kills were just in the open, wham bang thank you mam kills and it made everything seem so bland
by the end i was actually rooting for something exciting like Harrison getting raped and murdered (or murdered then raped)
That at least would have instilled some genuine passion into the characters
12-27-13 | 02:06 PM
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Re: Dexter -- Series Finale -- "Remember the Monsters?" -- 9/22/13
I know what I tell you will not be followed, since it is impossible advice to take.
Just watch seasons one through four. Do not continue on. Consider season four the conclusion to the show.
You will not take my advice and want to see where the show goes. You will watch season five and say its not that bad. Then you will watch season six and say its still not that horrible. Then you will watch season 7 and say its still worth watching. And even with season 8 you will find some enjoyment since the show is still on for another season and you get to see all the characters again for one more season.
But it's never really good, and then you realize that you have been making excuses for the show since season five instead of praising it. Then the show ends, and you realize how long you have been getting shit on.... Since season 5.
Just watch season one through four.
Just watch seasons one through four. Do not continue on. Consider season four the conclusion to the show.
You will not take my advice and want to see where the show goes. You will watch season five and say its not that bad. Then you will watch season six and say its still not that horrible. Then you will watch season 7 and say its still worth watching. And even with season 8 you will find some enjoyment since the show is still on for another season and you get to see all the characters again for one more season.
But it's never really good, and then you realize that you have been making excuses for the show since season five instead of praising it. Then the show ends, and you realize how long you have been getting shit on.... Since season 5.
Just watch season one through four.
This is actually some pretty sound advice. In hindsight of course.