Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
If Jesse had sat down on the bench and listened to Walt, how much would Walt have admitted? I think it was clear that he'd have explained why he poisoned Brock, but would he have said more than that?
And if they got an admission on poisoning Brock (in clear enough language to get an indictment), what kind of sentence could the prosecution have gotten?
And if they got an admission on poisoning Brock (in clear enough language to get an indictment), what kind of sentence could the prosecution have gotten?
Still, sending a dying man away for 5 years on a plea bargain for that is better than nothing. It still means he draws his last breath in prison (if they succeed which I think we all fully expect Hank won't).
ETA: Getting Walt to talk about the poisoning AND the ricin he made could take it all federal and terrorist and really screw him. Of course, we pretty much know that didn't happen because a federal search warrant for the ricin would have turned it up even in the outlet.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
It's going to be a blood bath. Most of the main characters will die.
Is someone going to have a "happy" ending? Probably, but not one of the main 4-6 characters.
Is someone going to have a "happy" ending? Probably, but not one of the main 4-6 characters.
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Somebody will survive. I'm thinking it will be Skyler. I see Walt, Hank, and Jesse dead. I think Walt Jr. may die. I think Marie might not die, but I don't think a dead Hank would be considered a happy ending for her.
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I think Walt is the only one to survive or remain free and will realize that everything was for nothing and had a huge cost attached. My guess will be this: Todd and Beavis and Butthead show up to take out Jessie while he is trying to one up Walt. During this time most of the family will be killed and somehow Hank is caught doing something illegal and ends up serving time. Sometime later we see Walt preparing himself to off Todd and whoever else he feels has wronged him and succeeds. Finally, he is left to live a desolate and sad life only to reflect on all that he has done wrong and how it all turned out. Outliving everyone else seems like the only appropriate way to make him "pay the price" like many people want to see happen.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
Man, I hope not. I hope Skylar is the first to go. She has been mostly unbearable over the course of this series.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
I like all these ideas a lot, but I am not convinced they will have the balls to kill off the majority of the cast in the last 4 episodes. I would love to eat my words.
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I bet the final scene will be Walt, after losing most/all of his loved ones, sitting down to a nice cup of Ricin tea.
/end credits
/end credits
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
You think they will kill little Holly? No way.
I could kind of see that. Walt finishes taping his confession to the whole ABQ DEA Field Office, then asks for a cup of hot water....
I could kind of see that. Walt finishes taping his confession to the whole ABQ DEA Field Office, then asks for a cup of hot water....
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More likely if he was going to get caught by say Hank, he'd maybe do something like put the ricin on his fingernail and jab it into his eye or something where it would go and be fatal (perhaps even at his own expense). Same concept could go for Jesse.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
So if everyone dies and Walt is the only survivor, he will think that everything happened for a reason. That has been the theme the last seasons. Since Season 2, when in a home depot he told some noobs to leave his territory. He's always coming back.
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One of the things I always wondered is exactly how Walt, this brilliant confident chemist, ended up as a meek high school teacher. I don't think it was ever really explained? I know they always hinted at some bitterness over Gray Matter, but I don't recall ever hearing the details of his falling out with Gretchen and the other guy, other than unrequited romance.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
"Skylar hate" is actually pretty disturbing to me. She is first and foremost protective of her family. Anyone who thinks she isn't justified in her concerns is putting Walt on a pedestal or something. She is 100% correct most of the time, is formidable in her own way and has proven to be a good partner in these endeavors. And Walt still treats her like shit, lies to her face and tries to manipulate her.
I think it comes down to misplaced anger that Skylar spoils Walt's "fun" of being a bad guy. Walt decided to get his family involved in the illegal drug trade. Skylar can say ANYTHING SHE WANTS to him about how he's a complete dipshit.
I think it comes down to misplaced anger that Skylar spoils Walt's "fun" of being a bad guy. Walt decided to get his family involved in the illegal drug trade. Skylar can say ANYTHING SHE WANTS to him about how he's a complete dipshit.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
"Skylar hate" is actually pretty disturbing to me. She is first and foremost protective of her family. Anyone who thinks she isn't justified in her concerns is putting Walt on a pedestal or something. She is 100% correct most of the time, is formidable in her own way and has proven to be a good partner in these endeavors. And Walt still treats her like shit, lies to her face and tries to manipulate her.
I think it comes down to misplaced anger that Skylar spoils Walt's "fun" of being a bad guy. Walt decided to get his family involved in the illegal drug trade. Skylar can say ANYTHING SHE WANTS to him about how he's a complete dipshit.
I think it comes down to misplaced anger that Skylar spoils Walt's "fun" of being a bad guy. Walt decided to get his family involved in the illegal drug trade. Skylar can say ANYTHING SHE WANTS to him about how he's a complete dipshit.
I Have a Character Issue
By ANNA GUNN
Published: August 23, 2013
LOS ANGELES — PLAYING Skyler White on the television show “Breaking Bad” for the past five seasons has been one of the most rewarding creative journeys I’ve embarked on as an actor. But the role has also taken me on another kind of journey — one I never would have imagined.
My character, to judge from the popularity of Web sites and Facebook pages devoted to hating her, has become a flash point for many people’s feelings about strong, nonsubmissive, ill-treated women. As the hatred of Skyler blurred into loathing for me as a person, I saw glimpses of an anger that, at first, simply bewildered me.
For those unfamiliar with the show: Skyler is the wife of Walter White, a high-school chemistry teacher who, after learning he has lung cancer, begins cooking and selling methamphetamine to leave a nest egg for Skyler, their teenage son and their unborn daughter. After his prognosis improves, however, Walter continues in the drug trade — with considerable success — descending deeper and deeper into a life of crime.
When Skyler discovers what Walter has been up to, she tries to stop him, to no avail. She is outraged by the violence and destruction of the drug world, fearful for her children’s safety, disgusted by the money Walter brings in and undone by the lies and manipulation to which he subjects her.
Because Walter is the show’s protagonist, there is a natural tendency to empathize with and root for him, despite his moral failings. (That viewers can identify with this antihero is also a testament to how deftly his character is written and acted.) As the one character who consistently opposes Walter and calls him on his lies, Skyler is, in a sense, his antagonist. So from the beginning, I was aware that she might not be the show’s most popular character.
But I was unprepared for the vitriolic response she inspired. Thousands of people have “liked” the Facebook page “I Hate Skyler White.” Tens of thousands have “liked” a similar Facebook page with a name that cannot be printed here. When people started telling me about the “hate boards” for Skyler on the Web site for AMC, the network that broadcasts the show, I knew it was probably best not to look, but I wanted to understand what was happening.
A typical online post complained that Skyler was a “shrieking, hypocritical harpy” and didn’t “deserve the great life she has.”
“I have never hated a TV-show character as much as I hate her,” one poster wrote. The consensus among the haters was clear: Skyler was a ball-and-chain, a drag, a shrew, an “annoying bitch wife.”
I enjoy taking on complex, difficult characters and have always striven to capture the truth of those people, whether or not it’s popular. Vince Gilligan, the creator of “Breaking Bad,” wanted Skyler to be a woman with a backbone of steel who would stand up to whatever came her way, who wouldn’t just collapse in the corner or wring her hands in despair. He and the show’s writers made Skyler multilayered and, in her own way, morally compromised. But at the end of the day, she hasn’t been judged by the same set of standards as Walter.
As an actress, I realize that viewers are entitled to have whatever feelings they want about the characters they watch. But as a human being, I’m concerned that so many people react to Skyler with such venom. Could it be that they can’t stand a woman who won’t suffer silently or “stand by her man”? That they despise her because she won’t back down or give up? Or because she is, in fact, Walter’s equal?
It’s notable that viewers have expressed similar feelings about other complex TV wives — Carmela Soprano of “The Sopranos,” Betty Draper of “Mad Men.” Male characters don’t seem to inspire this kind of public venting and vitriol.
At some point on the message boards, the character of Skyler seemed to drop out of the conversation, and people transferred their negative feelings directly to me. The already harsh online comments became outright personal attacks. One such post read: “Could somebody tell me where I can find Anna Gunn so I can kill her?” Besides being frightened (and taking steps to ensure my safety), I was also astonished: how had disliking a character spiraled into homicidal rage at the actress playing her?
But I finally realized that most people’s hatred of Skyler had little to do with me and a lot to do with their own perception of women and wives. Because Skyler didn’t conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female, she had become a kind of Rorschach test for society, a measure of our attitudes toward gender.
I can’t say that I have enjoyed being the center of the storm of Skyler hate. But in the end, I’m glad that this discussion has happened, that it has taken place in public and that it has illuminated some of the dark and murky corners that we often ignore or pretend aren’t still there in our everyday lives.
Anna Gunn is an actress.
By ANNA GUNN
Published: August 23, 2013
LOS ANGELES — PLAYING Skyler White on the television show “Breaking Bad” for the past five seasons has been one of the most rewarding creative journeys I’ve embarked on as an actor. But the role has also taken me on another kind of journey — one I never would have imagined.
My character, to judge from the popularity of Web sites and Facebook pages devoted to hating her, has become a flash point for many people’s feelings about strong, nonsubmissive, ill-treated women. As the hatred of Skyler blurred into loathing for me as a person, I saw glimpses of an anger that, at first, simply bewildered me.
For those unfamiliar with the show: Skyler is the wife of Walter White, a high-school chemistry teacher who, after learning he has lung cancer, begins cooking and selling methamphetamine to leave a nest egg for Skyler, their teenage son and their unborn daughter. After his prognosis improves, however, Walter continues in the drug trade — with considerable success — descending deeper and deeper into a life of crime.
When Skyler discovers what Walter has been up to, she tries to stop him, to no avail. She is outraged by the violence and destruction of the drug world, fearful for her children’s safety, disgusted by the money Walter brings in and undone by the lies and manipulation to which he subjects her.
Because Walter is the show’s protagonist, there is a natural tendency to empathize with and root for him, despite his moral failings. (That viewers can identify with this antihero is also a testament to how deftly his character is written and acted.) As the one character who consistently opposes Walter and calls him on his lies, Skyler is, in a sense, his antagonist. So from the beginning, I was aware that she might not be the show’s most popular character.
But I was unprepared for the vitriolic response she inspired. Thousands of people have “liked” the Facebook page “I Hate Skyler White.” Tens of thousands have “liked” a similar Facebook page with a name that cannot be printed here. When people started telling me about the “hate boards” for Skyler on the Web site for AMC, the network that broadcasts the show, I knew it was probably best not to look, but I wanted to understand what was happening.
A typical online post complained that Skyler was a “shrieking, hypocritical harpy” and didn’t “deserve the great life she has.”
“I have never hated a TV-show character as much as I hate her,” one poster wrote. The consensus among the haters was clear: Skyler was a ball-and-chain, a drag, a shrew, an “annoying bitch wife.”
I enjoy taking on complex, difficult characters and have always striven to capture the truth of those people, whether or not it’s popular. Vince Gilligan, the creator of “Breaking Bad,” wanted Skyler to be a woman with a backbone of steel who would stand up to whatever came her way, who wouldn’t just collapse in the corner or wring her hands in despair. He and the show’s writers made Skyler multilayered and, in her own way, morally compromised. But at the end of the day, she hasn’t been judged by the same set of standards as Walter.
As an actress, I realize that viewers are entitled to have whatever feelings they want about the characters they watch. But as a human being, I’m concerned that so many people react to Skyler with such venom. Could it be that they can’t stand a woman who won’t suffer silently or “stand by her man”? That they despise her because she won’t back down or give up? Or because she is, in fact, Walter’s equal?
It’s notable that viewers have expressed similar feelings about other complex TV wives — Carmela Soprano of “The Sopranos,” Betty Draper of “Mad Men.” Male characters don’t seem to inspire this kind of public venting and vitriol.
At some point on the message boards, the character of Skyler seemed to drop out of the conversation, and people transferred their negative feelings directly to me. The already harsh online comments became outright personal attacks. One such post read: “Could somebody tell me where I can find Anna Gunn so I can kill her?” Besides being frightened (and taking steps to ensure my safety), I was also astonished: how had disliking a character spiraled into homicidal rage at the actress playing her?
But I finally realized that most people’s hatred of Skyler had little to do with me and a lot to do with their own perception of women and wives. Because Skyler didn’t conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female, she had become a kind of Rorschach test for society, a measure of our attitudes toward gender.
I can’t say that I have enjoyed being the center of the storm of Skyler hate. But in the end, I’m glad that this discussion has happened, that it has taken place in public and that it has illuminated some of the dark and murky corners that we often ignore or pretend aren’t still there in our everyday lives.
Anna Gunn is an actress.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
Yep, I read that article. I actually feel bad for Anna Gunn. People have some real problems out there.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
agreed.
Skylar (and even Walt Jr) hate seems very weird. I never can tell if people are really failing (spectacularly) at being funny in wishing these characters dead - or if it's some other issue.
very strange to me - because if either of these 2 characters die, the beloved Walter White's world will come crashing down - I wonder what his fans will think of that?
Skylar (and even Walt Jr) hate seems very weird. I never can tell if people are really failing (spectacularly) at being funny in wishing these characters dead - or if it's some other issue.
very strange to me - because if either of these 2 characters die, the beloved Walter White's world will come crashing down - I wonder what his fans will think of that?
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
Not now, no. But after losing the people he did all of this for, and seeing his life in total ruin? Walt would rather take himself out than allow someone else to make that decision for him. In the end, he's still the one in control.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
Skylar hasn't been my favorite character, and I'm sure there are people who dislike the character for the reasons the actress thinks, but there may be other reasons too. Obviously some people are just nuts, but there could be other, non-misogynistic reasons people don't like her character on the show as well. Of course there are no good reasons to feel hatred towards an actress for the way her character is portrayed on a TV show. That's just beyond weird.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
I don't get the Skylar hate. To me, they've written her VERY realistically (well, as realistic as we can imagine given the show's premise). She's not always acted the way I might want, but who would? She's balanced impossible choices with difficult solutions. Personally, I "get" her, which is more than I can say for Walt.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
I think Walt goes out with a blaze of glory in a way that aggrandizes his 'status.' It is pretty clear that his position as Heisenberg is known in the flash forward, so there is no point in hiding his involvement as a meth kingpin. Given that, what better move in Walt's eyes than to elevate it? Remember Walt and Walt Jr watching Scarface together? I don't see it as being a showdown with the cops/DEA (no suicide by police), but something with Todd's crew and the Chechens. Something very public to show he is the meth king of kings and to create a sort of folk anti-hero who took down a nasty foreign criminal enterprise operating on American soil, even if he dies in the process -- in fact all the better. I could see him using it to elevate/exonerate Hank (Walt's family) and Jesse somehow out of it as well. Win-win-win for Walt.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
Walt has never been a "gunfighter" - he's a poison and bombs kind of guy. I don't see him going out in a blaze of glory. I see him arrested and in prison. Then probably shivved in the shower for some dumb reason. Or the cancer gets him in the prison hospital.
His story shouldn't be epic - it should be sad.
His story shouldn't be epic - it should be sad.
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Re: Breaking Bad -- "Rabid Dog" -- 9/01/13
a brilliant chemist can surely come up with another way to kill himself that would be quick and painless.



