So basically you want a completely different show? You want a show about researchers not a show about a redneck sheriff and a group of farmers/pizza delivery guys?

This -- I would have shot him as well.

Not completely different, no. I would just prefer it went in a different direction to that which is appears to be.

Since, to me, the storyline and characters are no longer appealing, I feel like not watching any more.

Incredibly, people have different reactions and desires for characters in which they've invested time.

Perhaps i've not described things correctly; but what I would like is more about why the world has gone zombie in addition to the character stuff.

Bye - don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

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I swear - if all these negative comments are from the fans of the show, I shudder to wonder what the other side think about it. Yeesh!

I love the show, and will always tune in, as it is way way waaaaay better than ANY TV show on network stations!

And for those of you pooh-pooh'ing Season 2 because they were looking for Sophia and were on a farm...did the whole Rick/Shane story-arc not do it for you? That wasn't enough? Not good enough? FFF ungrateful pieces of crap, the whole lot of ya!

To me it's like saying I would find the show would work better if they got rid of the zombies and replaced them with vampires. Seems that you want a completely different show, which if fine, I just don't understand. This is the show, it's about a group of regular people, not a group of researchers.

What resources do you feel this group could bring to the problem of a zombie outbreak beyond "survive it"?

This is a serious question. They have no medical expertise beyond Herschel, they aren't particularly brilliant and they are in a relatively remote part of the country with limited access to resources that would allow them to conduct research.

What exactly would you like to see them do about zombies?

The show is definitely uneven. The pacing of the entire second half of season three was jagged and felt like the writers didn't know exactly where they were going, and ended up feeling like a lot of filler. Easily the best episode of the second half was where they found Morgan, and it showed what TWD can be when it's really clicking. It had a tight focus, interesting characters, moral dilemmas, zombie threats, and an apocalyptic feel. It was unique and interesting. Unfortunately, that feeling didn't get transferred into any of the other episodes.

In my personal opinion, the show worked much better in season one when the zombies were major threats. When you didn't know when a pack of them were going to break into the camp and start killing off characters. It made every episode feel unpredictable, which is what originally drew me in. Now the zombies are little more than Ninja Turtle foot soldiers, occasionally getting a blow in but usually getting dispatched pretty easily. That tension is gone, and their attempt to make up for it with the Governor and Woodbury just really fell flat to me.

Andrea dying in such a moronic way seems almost appropriate considering how moronic that character was for two seasons. When Milton actually has to say, "STFU and hurry", you've got a stupidity problem on your hands.

I do like the transformation of Carl and I believe that could be a strong plot point moving into season four if it's handled correctly.

I get what you are saying but since the creator of the comic has stated he will never reveal the "why" of it, going in that direction would be impossible and a total change in what he is trying to say with his art.

If you aren't getting what you want out of the show, then drop it and dont listen to people who put you down for it. There are many shows that I just don't connect with regardless of how good they are critically or how high rated they may be. I can't stand Boardwalk Empire as one example. Game of Thrones is another show which on paper I should enjoy as I love fantasy and naked chicks, but I just don't.

Fucking ridiculous.

Easy there, Kirkman.

I still like the show, despite the dull finale. Honestly, I would have prefered the previous episode to have been the season finale and this episode held over for a two episode season opener. The last bit with Daryl stabbing zombie Merle was a huge punch in the gut and would have kept even the most critical of viewers hook 'til next season, regardless of the Governor still being at large.

In fact, that would actually make people anticipate the Governor's season 4 return in hopes of Daryl's vengeance.

That would be fine, except for the fact that Carl would have been LYING by making such a claim. Carl HAS gone over the edge, and Rick is going to have to deal with it somehow.

How would he be lying? The kid was moving closer and closer to him and never dropped his gun. He got what he deserved.

You're more over the edge than Carl is! How is that a lie when, in fact, the boy didn't drop the gun and kept advancing?

And WTF is wrong with Hershel by taking Woodbury's side over Carl? Someone said it earlier: SENILE. I don't think it's a good idea anymore for Rick to take Hershel's council anymore. Hershel sounds greener than Dale, but at least Dale was still naive enough not to know any better! Hershel should know better, by now, and should not be naive enough to think that boy who didn't drop the gun and kept advancing was no threat. Fuckin' asshole - he deserves to watch Maggie die at the hands of somebody from Woodbury. And if he keeps this shit up, Carl will have no choice but to plug the old man and put him out of his misery.

Agreed with #1, but definitely not #2...her death was tragic. EXCEPT for her taking 47 hours to try to get the pliers.

And yet you're still here.

You'll be happy to know that Kirkman said episodes like Morgan's are where they're taking Season 4, and focusing more on characters.

The other thing that people want that I don't really care about: People's lives before the shit hit the fan. Glen delivering a pizza, Hershel feeding a horse, Carl answering a question in 3rd grade, who care? Now stuff like the Michonne 4 pager or the upcoming Tyrese backstory in the comics, I can dig, but for other reasons. But exploring the past as some pre-credits ritual isn't exactly high on the priority list.

Hell even the Governor's origin book was garbage, at least the first half I read. Not to mention that they used third person present tense that compounded the pain of reading it.

Yes I can understand that actions in the past can indicate how they are as people today, but sometimes it's just meaningless. Hell, even flashbacks to events earlier in the series are boring as hell, such as Michonne and Andrea.

I agree with this - the finale didn't suck, but it was definitely anti-climactic. Especially compared to the previous episode, where we had some deaths that people actually cared about (as much as Merle was hated by the characters, i don't think any viewers actually wanted him to die - as opposed to Andrea).

And if we were going to keep the resolution with the governor til Season 4, might as well have really kept it until season 4. Have the Merle episode end with the governor rallying his troops after Merle killed his men, and show the convoy heading out to the prison.

Again, I didn't hate this episode, it was just a let-down.

I felt more for Merle than Andrea (and she's one of my favorite characters in the ). There could have been other ways she could have gone out--say, the governor's henchmen are about to kill the prison crew but she saves them with her sniper rifle, then the governor sneaks up behind her and takes her out. That would have given me more of a reaction.

The one interesting thing about this show is how easily it filters out which of its viewers are psychopaths (Basically anyone who thought Shane was a better leader or that Carl's actions in this ep are in any way justified).

A few eps of this show could be used as a Rorschach test before assigning government work.

If the kid that got shot would have pulled his gun up at the last second and shot Herschel, everybody would've said Carl was a dumbass for not taking him out originally. The kid was just at the prison with his Woodbury group shooting at everybody. You have to be pretty naive to believe he was just gonna put down his weapon and be on his way casually. Especially when Carl says "drop your weapon" and the kid advances instead.

So, I'm curious. How could the episode be better if you are trying to keep these two items alive for next year: The Governor must survive, and must be a threat for next year.

My only gripe is (with those two items known) the group didn't seem to hit a single raider.

You do not second guess yourself in a war zone, it can cost you your life and the lives of others. Carl did a Shane stare, analyzed the situation, and made his choice. The crew is still alive because of it. "Ain't no lil boy hidin' in them woods". This is a child soldier, Rick is an idiot who is not understanding where Carl stands and not molding him in this war zone will pretty much corrupt him to be a minime Governor. Oh, but Rick is in coockoo land looking for Lori when all shits going downhill. Rick is the biggest liability to this crew. He has a way with people, a way of getting them killed over and over. And that is why I like this show, Rick's an accident waiting to happen to all around him.

lol, you actually make sense for once. I agree.

Heh...I actually thought Shane WAS a better leader. Lori was the one who drove him crazy (and she almost did Rick in as well).

From what I remember, Lori was thinking divorce before the apocalypse. After the shock of seeing him alive, doubts came back to her. Rick knows this and was always avoiding her, to the point of leaving the camp for guns, losing Sofia and doing a lost and found risking everyone, invading Herschel's farm, killing Shane. He should have been a bro and let Lori be with Shane, even be the best man or something.