Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
05-16-12, 10:40 PM
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05-16-12, 10:46 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
Also, since everything means something on this show, when Tywin was telling Arya about his castle being vulnerable to dragons... I'm assuming that was more than just a history lesson but foreshadowing, right? Also, how many seasons do we have to endure baby dragons before we can see some real live action Skyrim?
Plus apparently you kill White Walkers with fire? So I'm assuming the White Walkers really aren't fans of dragons?
05-16-12, 11:04 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
Filling in Tywin's talk...
(I'll spoiler tag, even though it's past history only and not really a spoiler)
Spoiler:
05-16-12, 11:08 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
Tywin walks away to the window and remarks that this will be his last war, win or lose. Arya asks if he’s ever lost a war… and Tywin turns to her and asks if he thinks he’d be in his position if he ever lost a war. Arya supposes not. Tywin turns away again, talking about how it will be called the War of the Five Kings, and his legacy will be determined by it. As he’s speaking, Arya’s looking at the side of his neck, and holding the sharp knife in her hand, clearly considering trying to kill him then and there. But then he turns, and asks her if she knows what legacy means. She turns away in time, and then shakes her head, claiming she doesn’t know. Tywin says that the legacy is what remains of you when you’re gone… leading him to discuss how Harren the Black thought that Harrenhal would be his legacy.
It was the greatest fortress ever built, with thirty-five hearths in its hall… but now it’s a blasted ruin. He asks if Arya knows how that happened and she replies dragons. He tells her she’s right and informs her that the castle could have repelled a million men… but an attack from the air with dragonfire was too much. Harren and his sons were roasted alive in the walls, because Aegon Targaryen changed the rules, and that’s why every child knows Aegon’s name three hundred years later.
Tywin: Aegon Targaryen changed the rules. That’s why every child alive still knows his name, three hundred years after his death.
Arya: Aegon and his sisters.
Tywin: Hmm?
Arya: It wasn’t just Aegon riding his dragon. It was Rhaenys and Visenya too.
Tywin: Correct. Student of history are you?
Arya: Rhaenys rode Meraxes. Visenya rode Rhaegar.
Tywin: I’m sure I knew that when I was a boy.
Arya: Visenya Targaryen was a great warrior. She had a Valyrian steel sword called Dark Sister.
Tywin: Hm. She’s a heroine of yours I take it?
Arya: Aegon and his sisters.
Tywin: Hmm?
Arya: It wasn’t just Aegon riding his dragon. It was Rhaenys and Visenya too.
Tywin: Correct. Student of history are you?
Arya: Rhaenys rode Meraxes. Visenya rode Rhaegar.
Tywin: I’m sure I knew that when I was a boy.
Arya: Visenya Targaryen was a great warrior. She had a Valyrian steel sword called Dark Sister.
Tywin: Hm. She’s a heroine of yours I take it?
The thirty-five hearths was a nice mention from the book.
05-16-12, 11:20 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
I knew Tywin was talking about Harrenhal. I just couldn't remember if Casterly Rock came up in that convo as well or if Popcorn was just confused.
05-17-12, 12:54 AM
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05-17-12, 05:49 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
Don't know if this has been mentioned or not...and it may seem incredibly snarky...but I was a bit disconcerted by Kat's use of the term "Stand down!" when addressing Lord Karstark.
One of the main things that impressed me most about Season One that set it apart from other shows (Camelot, anyone?) was the brilliant dialogue that seemed entirely appropriate to the setting (and, after reading the books, I could understand the source). When mentioning that the producers/writers were avoiding using popular, anachronistic phrases, I actually used "stand down" as an example of what you wouldn't hear in GOT...so imagine my dismay to hear Kat utter that very phrase.
It was the same when I heard it used in a recent western. Turned to the wife and asked, "Can you remember ever hearing the phrase before, say, five or six years ago?" Seems that 24, The Unit, and other shows with militaristic overtones brought it into the popular lexicon. I Googled the phrase and, according to the best "intel" I can find (to use more recent jargon), the first recorded usage was during WWI. Now it pops up everywhere.
The point is that the attention to detail is one of the most marvelous things about GOT (despite the President's lack of respect for that term, I think "marvelous" applies here). Every line of dialogue matters. If Robb sends out men to gather intel, I will lose a lot of respect for the writers.
I just wish they'd not take us out of the atmosphere they've created. There were dozens of other phrases Kat could have used ("Stay your hand", "Cease and desist", "Sheath your swords", "Hold, good men", "Put away your arms") rather than resorting to such modern terminology.
One of the main things that impressed me most about Season One that set it apart from other shows (Camelot, anyone?) was the brilliant dialogue that seemed entirely appropriate to the setting (and, after reading the books, I could understand the source). When mentioning that the producers/writers were avoiding using popular, anachronistic phrases, I actually used "stand down" as an example of what you wouldn't hear in GOT...so imagine my dismay to hear Kat utter that very phrase.
It was the same when I heard it used in a recent western. Turned to the wife and asked, "Can you remember ever hearing the phrase before, say, five or six years ago?" Seems that 24, The Unit, and other shows with militaristic overtones brought it into the popular lexicon. I Googled the phrase and, according to the best "intel" I can find (to use more recent jargon), the first recorded usage was during WWI. Now it pops up everywhere.
The point is that the attention to detail is one of the most marvelous things about GOT (despite the President's lack of respect for that term, I think "marvelous" applies here). Every line of dialogue matters. If Robb sends out men to gather intel, I will lose a lot of respect for the writers.
I just wish they'd not take us out of the atmosphere they've created. There were dozens of other phrases Kat could have used ("Stay your hand", "Cease and desist", "Sheath your swords", "Hold, good men", "Put away your arms") rather than resorting to such modern terminology.
05-17-12, 07:48 AM
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05-17-12, 07:49 AM
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It was odd to hear Talisa ask Robb for a minute of his time as opposed to a moment of his time. Such an advanced world for a medieval setting.
05-17-12, 07:51 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
Also, since everything means something on this show, when Tywin was telling Arya about his castle being vulnerable to dragons... I'm assuming that was more than just a history lesson but foreshadowing, right? Also, how many seasons do we have to endure baby dragons before we can see some real live action Skyrim?
05-17-12, 07:56 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
Further to this, no one in Westeros is aware that dragons have returned to the world, are they? I can't recall a scene with anyone talking about them or of hearing rumors except for those in and around Dany's story.
05-17-12, 08:12 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
I thought of nuclear weapons as an analogy too -- devastating power that occurred in the past but not perceived as much of a threat at the current time... at least in the back of people's minds.
05-17-12, 08:47 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
IIRC, there was just the red comet thing, and somebody saying it meant the dragons had returned. But of course nobody actually believed it.
05-17-12, 09:03 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
Happened to me on another show, can't remember which, where they said a modern phrase I can't stand, "he's gone missing."
Now if someone in GOT says that they need to kill someone to bring "closure" that will be the end.
05-17-12, 09:14 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
"Let's utilize your dragons on this initiative... Talk with your team offline and we'll touch base EOD Friday."
05-17-12, 09:20 AM
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I always thought it odd that Hawkeye said to Duncan, "Someday, I think you and I are going to have a serious disagreement," in The Last of the Mohicans -- it sounded too modern for the time period. Apparently this line was removed from Mann's "Director's Expanded" version.
05-17-12, 10:30 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
She JUST arrived in Quarth, which would be the first place that news of the dragons would have a reasonable possibility of making its way back to Westeros
05-17-12, 10:34 AM
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05-17-12, 10:41 AM
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Didn't seem like an anachronism to me, but I checked and it seems like the phrase did originate in WWI.
05-17-12, 10:45 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "A Man Without Honor" -- 5/13/12
Your analogy doesn't really work though because Dragons don't exist anymore (as far as anyone knows) but nukes still do... unless you're implying that I should be worried about T-Rex attacks.
