Andrea is a total ****. I honestly don't care if any of the women, with the exception of Maggie, die at this point as they are all very unlikable and bring nothing to the table.

I'm not sure how the timeline is in question, Rick's third line was like, "I waited a week to talk to you..." . The last episode ended with Rick learning stuff that made a talk necessary.

Great episode. Shane is a great character. Bernthal really does his best to make him sympathetic. Some great zombie action. I was wondering why Shane didn't think to run out the back door of the bus.

Still, no one is going to recover from a torn(shredded) ACL in under a week, that takes 6-8 months minimum.

many viruses/toxins are protected from by the placental barrier.

She has more choices.


We all die. What matters is what we do with the time we have. She might have many years of life left (in a zombie infested world) if the survivors get their stuff together. If I knew I only had 5 years left, then I'd die, I'd spend my life enjoying those 5 years, not finding ways to commit suicide because I know I have an expiration date.

Some people will die of causes not related to being eaten by a zombie. And even if she is eventually (whether in 5 hours, days, months, years, or 50 years) eaten, why not live until then?

Have we seen a zombie able to climb a chain link fence? It always seems to stop them, in which case creating safe havens would seem to be relatively simple: fence them. I don't know if this is covered in the comics or movies as I don't typically watch zombie things. After a quick Google search, it appears I'm not the only one to have thought of this. Zombie Proof Fences

I'm not sure I understand what difference this makes.

Yes! I thought it was great to finally see that character given something to do, and I loved the what-for she gave Lori. I know I'm in the minority, but I liked the actress who plays Andrea, and feel like the scripts rarely serve her. Last night was an exception.

Given how she sees the other people around her "living" their lives, I could see why living doesn't seem worth it.

They can make it happen!

...except for the fact that she lives on the magical farm, where they're still eating fresh produce and bread, drinking fresh milk, and where a tiny wooden fence somehow repels zombies. The whole "woe is me" storyline would work a lot better if her life was actually being influenced a little more by zombies. It would also help if she had had even a little bit of character development prior to the storyline.

Kirkman's response here suggests that the farm setting won't last long. It's going to be overrun as zombies spread out from the big cities:


What was the significance of Shane staring at the walker in the field?


We’re really just trying to show that that kind of thing is inescapable. You’re just driving down the street, you look over and, “Oh, there you go, there’s a zombie.” We’re trying to show that this world is becoming more and more populated by zombies. Our thinking is that large population centers like Atlanta are really where the heart of this began and as [Rick and crew] moved out to Hershel’s farm they didn’t really encounter very many walkers because they are moving out of the city center at a faster rate than the zombie population. And that zombie population is starting to catch up with them. The area is starting to become more and more dense with walkers.

I think the blonde chick wants to kill herself so she doesn't have to listen to the godawful accents anymore.

In the season 1 episode where Rick and Glen wear the zombie guts as a disguise to get to the construction site, the zombies climb the fence to get at them. One even makes it over.

Herschel stated the wound was a torn up calf muscle, but yes, a week is fast. I can forgive it, considering most people shit their pants in fury over the fact Carl took a reasonable amount of screen time to recover from being shot. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess

While I liked the episode, I thought the A/B story editing was a little too choppy.

All these episodes directed by Ernest Dickerson, I keep waiting for Ice-T's character to show up from "Surviving the Game" to teach them how it's done.

This episode redeemed (for me) the entire 2nd half of this season (regardless of what happens in the remainder of the episodes).

I'm not sure if it was the normal running length, but there were a ton of commercials.

I got a kick out of that given that T-Dogg almost died of an infection before they got to the farm.

Other than that, I loved the ep, especially Rick shotting the zombies piled on top of him.

Great episode. Next week looks pretty good as well.

Kirkman replied to the "magic farm" critique by saying that they don't have too much zombie population moving through and most of the neighbors that lived close were killed in the barn. But, as the walkers are moving they are definitely becoming aware that the farm won't be same much longer. We are starting to get a few hints on that as stated above.

Other notes:

• The blue meth from Breaking Bad was Kirkman’s idea.
• T-Dog is not Tyrese, clarified Kirkman, and he will be getting more character development as the season progresses.
• Spoiler:

  Merle will be seen again.

As for the "bite" question:

That is kind of laughable, but OK. The lack of zombies is still only one part of the magic farm though. Also, they should have saved the suicide storyline until life on the farm was a little rougher.


The third bullet in your list should be in a spoiler tag.

I think cutting hands to attract zombies was crazy. There is always blood splattering and with an open cut, it's like asking to be infected. Since they don't know how the virus spreads (as far as we know) it seems a pointless, stupid action. I guess it was the writer's way to explain why Shane would later cut his hand to distract the walkers on the bus.

Did you watch the whole first half of this season?!

(I understand ... but it's fun to bitch about it.)

I haven't done one of these in a while ... it's time for Abob Teff's Random Page 3 Thoughts! (Once again, a page early.)

IMO, think of a walker bite like a komodo dragon bite ... the bite itself isn't fatal, it's all the crap in the bite. Think of all the bacteria in your mouth; now add in the fact that a zombie is a festering pile of gangrenous, rotting flesh. It makes sense that a bite would transfer all sorts of infections and nasty bugs ...

Regarding chainlink fences ... they tend not to hold up well against crushing hordes of zombies.

I don't think Otis will return as they pretty well tore him apart and ate him. There isn't much left of him.

Rick commented there were no bites on the police officer zombies, then he pointed out scratches on the cheek and hands. If he really believes this, we've scratched another theory about what the CDC doctor told him. Or, it is still possible the doc told him everybody is infected and Rick was covering ... but why?

The suicidal blonde (ooh ... somebody should use that for a song title!) made me think of a potential interesting plot ... a cult that believes becoming a zombie is the way to an eternal life (of course, like all cults, the leaders aren't willing to go through with it -- probably because they are spiritual guides whose place is to help others along the path).

Now you're making me think of zombies as walking Komodo Dragons. Thanks a lot! That's even scarier than what I thought they were before.

Bingo. There's no emotional resonance with her scenes, because we only know her as a high-maintenance whiner.

I actually liked that. Last episode packed all the action/intensity into the first half, and the second half was slow-paced drama. I liked the pacing of this one.

Hmm, not sure if serious. But in case you are: INXS had a song called "Suicide Blonde".