^^^ That's what I wish would happen (to humilliate Dani and waste her HOH), but I don't see how Adam and Jordan could be talked into voting the right way. You need a 4-2 vote to neutralize Dani (a tie leaves it up to her who to send out) and that means Adam and Jordan voting along, which from the happenings on the feeds and "After Dark" is a questionable proposition at best.

Jordan doesn't need to be talked into anything. Jeff has two votes.

^^^ To vote Shelly out over Brendon? She (and Adam) would absolutely have to be talked into it by Jeff (Rachel's pleas will fall on deaf ears). Jordo is loyal to a fault (i.e. there is a reason she's wearing that goofy humilliatard this week) and Adam is tight with Shelly. Brenchel isn't doing themselves any favors in getting votes with the post-POV ceremony eviction behavior, but I know Brenchel, Jeff & Jordan and Adam would be a hell of a formidable alliance going against Dani, Porsche and Kalia than haven't-won-anything Shelly. But again, it's nothing personal on the BB house... just gameplay!

Well, Jeff just spent a good couple of hours alone with Adam in the backyard smoking and playing pool trying to talk him into voting to keep Brendon and evict Shelly. Apparently Jordo is on board with whatever Jeff decides (does this girl ever do anything on her own besides wipe her ass on the bathroom? ) but Adam is simply refusing to budge and wants Brendon evicted. Right now the votes would be 3-3 and Dani would decide whom to evict, but if Adam's refusal to budge is known then everybody will quickly retreat to a one-sided vote to get Brendon out.

I'm not complaining, but why do we have spoiler tags in this thread? Has something changed in terms of the rule of this thread? I'll be the first to admit I haven't been following this season or any of the threads like I have in previous seasons, but I thought this was the thread we used to have that was spoiler free and anything that has happened or going on in the house can openly be discussed here. Has that changed?

More than anything, I don't want to post something that's a spoiler if there are new rules about open discussion in this thread.

Thanks.

Seems like a dumb move on Adam's part. He'll piss off Rachel and Jeff and make a target out of himself, and take the heat off of Dani for nominating Brendon in the first place.

His best move would seem to ditch Shelly (who is loyal to JeJo in a really creepy, stalkerish, way), and then let Jeff, Jordan, Rachel, Brendon, Daniele, and Kalia take each other out. After Dani is out of the picture, JeJo and Brenchel will turn on each other.

I don't think there are any rules; people just aren't sure what they can and can't post in which thread.

Might be easier to just have two Big Brother threads -- Big Brother Spoiler-free (CBS show only) and Big Brother Live Spoilers (After Dark, Feeds). The only rule would then be that spoiler-free thread contain no discussion of anything that hasn't aired on CBS.

Speaking for myself, I don't come into the AD thread expecting to be unspoiled for things like HOH comps, Veto comps, and Veto ceremonies, or whatever scheme is currently cooking in the BB House.

To be fair to Adam, he hasn't outright come and said he is or isn't voting to evict Brendon. He just keeps brining the cons of keeping Brendon to counter the pros that Jeff keeps bringing up for keeping him. Adam's not committted to voting yet (and he and the house knows his will be the deciding vote), but from his conversations when he and Shelly are alone Adam seems to be leaning to getting Brendon out now rather than having to deal with him later. Whether he's just being polite to Shelly's face but decides to ditch her on Eviction night we don't know yet. Shelly and Adam are the oldest contestants left now that Lawon is gone, and I guess on a personal level Adam would rather keep someone his own age around rather than Brenchel and their show-off romance.

Gameplay-wise though I think it'd be masterful for J&J, Rachel and Adam to vote Shelly out to rattle Daniele, Porsche and Kalia right before HOH. That'd be three HOH's between Daniele and Kalia that only managed to evict insignificant players like Shelly and Lawon while the two veteran couples remain. It seems logical to keep both couples around so they targe Daniele's alliance and then turn on each other before turning their attention to floaters like Adam and Posche. But Shelly's influence (along with his own antipathy toward Brenchel) may be what's keeping Adam from doing the obvious and bounce Shelly for an HOH-winning, target-wearing intact Brenchel couple. Shame, but there's two days left for Jeff to turn things around (if Rachel doesn't explode before Thursday night; right now on the feeds the girl literally wants to walk up to Porsche and bitch-slap for not committing to voting for Brendon to stay ).

Wow, great "After Dark" stuff this evening. Brenchel are fighting (he's verbally abusing her for being emotional on her gameplay and she's not taking it well... preview of coming attractions during the marriage? ), Jeff & Jordan are doing an almost-180 turn on Shelly (they're questioning her loyalty because she's getting closer to Dani... if they could talk Adam into voting to evict Shelly they would) and Daniele is plotting with Kalia about how they could turn Rachel to their side (along with Porsche) to take out J&J and Shelly to keep their hands clean and garner the evictee's votes during jury. All these plus an impromptu hot dog eating contest... drama!

It's amazing how Rachel has turned against Jeff, Jordan and Shelly in private (with the first two actively trying their hardest to save Brendon's ass from eviction) which makes the idea of her turning to Daniele's alliance to take out Jeff & Jordan out all the more poetic and absurd. Brendon and Rachel agree that, if he goes out Thursday, Rachel has to stick to Daniele to ensure her safety. Guess it depends on whether J&J vote to evict Brendon or not how Rachel will feel about exacting revenge on her former alliance.

Sounds like they made up.

I just checked out Jokers after I heard J/J and B/R got in an argument today. I saw this and had a good laugh.

So Brendon and Rachel think they spend a 1/2 million on food. I think cancer is safe for now.

I don't know, have you seen how much Kalia eats?

Anyone watching the feeds willing to spoil for me whether J and J know that B and R are totally against them? Just watching the POV for days ago, Jeff was worried about Brendon, who would love to take Jeff and Jordan out now?

Did Jeff ever find out the other "couple" were actually against them?

At this point, I can live with anyone winning other than Rachel, Kalia and Porsche.

That sad thing is that, while I like Jeff and Jordan as tv personalities, I honestly don't really like anyone left even out of the group of people that I'm ok with winning. Jordan once again is winning me over with sweetness, but she totally doesn't deserve to win, while against Natalie I thought she did. Being sweet shouldn't translate into winning BB automatically.

Jordan is not sweet at all this time. She is an entitled c__ this time and her Jeff excpect people to just hand them the game and anyone who dares go against them are bad people.

Please, everyone who goes into that house acts the way you just described and of course in a stupid mind game like this show, it's going to be more intense if you've played before. Dani is totally acting like she's entitled and when she was down everyone was bad. It's difficult to say anything about B and R because, while clearly they do the same thing, they are both insane even outside the house.

Rob was evil on Survivor this season because he expected his group of people to let him get to the end and win. It worked. But that attitude defines people in the BB house. Kalia acts entitled and she's good at nothing other than eating.

When you're watching BB, whomever you don't like is going to look like a bigger douche, when they're almost all douches. Rachel is something that can't actually be labeled, but if someone is a fan, they think the show is unfair and everyone is mean to her. It's not reality, but it's just part of the BB experience. Jordan gave up the phone call for Shelly. Again, on a show like this, that's about as nice as nice gets. She also felt truly bad for letting down her team if the have not contest. Sorry, but few people act or actually do care about what happens to anyone other than themselves.

Don't be fooled by the America's sweetheart edit. Jordan gave up 24 hours in isolation for the veto.

you are totally right. i'm not seeing as much this season in years, but i still think compared to most people, certainly those who are cast on this show, that jordan has proven herself as a pretty nice person. i'm not saying perfect by any stretch. she was mean to michele, following jeff's lead, in her first season and i thought it was terrible (although michele turned out to be a terrible human being, so i feel better about it now) even then.

she's also not very bright, so she can behave in a way that might seem not very nice without knowing it. but she really is just a southern girl who didn't even know the show when she got cast and when she won, she was one of the very few who didn't do anything to milk her "fame" and she went right back to work.

again, i know there's a lot of j and j haters, many just because they hate how many people like them, but i've noticed jeff being a real jerk this season, but i still don't think he's a real a**wipe in real life, like a lot of people really are and i think the same thing can be said about jordan.

i've heard some people say jeff had to convince jordan to do this again, but someone i trust told me it was the other way around, but that jordan truly just wanted to hang out this summer with jeff. i'm not saying i like that, but i don't think she cares this season, she seems more cranky because she'd either rather be alone with jeff at the jury house or back home. if you're someone like jordan, with not a lot upstairs, not very social, and not that interested in the fame, you can imagine you might be even crankier than everyone else who actually has something to hold onto because they want to be there.

like kalia wants to be there for the free food. i think she'd eat dani if it came to that.

edit to add: PS-Hey Dino, are you a feeder this season?

That's pretty silly to say, I'm sure she knew she wouldn't get to keep the veto. She had to have known that Adam, at the very least, would have taken the veto from her.

I respect that. At least as a Jordan fan you can see her faults. I'm sure a lot of her fans fully believe everything CBS tells them. My main issue isn't her personally, it's just that she's not interesting for the game. If she would at least pretend to play the game or even act like she wanted to be in the house, I'd probably feel different. She reminds me of the people that quit these shows in the first couple weeks and take the opportunity away from someone that really wanted to be in the game. The only difference is that she'll hibernate until the finale and take home another win. She very well could be a great person in real life, but I don't see any reason for her to be on my television screen.

No, I've never done the live feeds. I've actually been watching less and less After Dark. I'll have about 3 days worth and will get through them in about an hour and a half. My father is addicted to it though, so whenever I talk to him I get detailed updates. If I hear of anything interesting that happened, I'll usually go back and try to find clips or read about it. That hasn't happened too often this season.

I respect that. At least as a Jordan fan you can see her faults. I'm sure a lot of her fans fully believe everything CBS tells them. My main issue isn't her personally, it's just that she's not interesting for the game. If she would at least pretend to play the game or even act like she wanted to be in the house, I'd probably feel different. She reminds me of the people that quit these shows in the first couple weeks and take the opportunity away from someone that really wanted to be in the game. The only difference is that she'll hibernate until the finale and take home another win. She very well could be a great person in real life, but I don't see any reason for her to be on my television screen.

No, I've never done the live feeds. I've actually been watching less and less After Dark. I'll have about 3 days worth and will get through them in about an hour and a half. My father is addicted to it though, so whenever I talk to him I get detailed updates. If I hear of that anything interesting happened, I'll go back and try to find clips or read about it.

I agree that Jordan herself isn't all that interesting (save some funny editing clips), but the duo of J&J is interesting in that they become a force in the game because everyone has to play against the two of them as though they are one--much in the same way as Brachel--there's no way they'll ever turn on each other, whereas a duo like Dani and Kaila could possibly split at some point.

That alone affects strategies. What they don't have going for them is the reality TV factor where they're both entertaining together or alone like Brachel are.

won the HOH comp.

Ok, I'm admitting that I'm about as smart as Jordan sometimes. So, help me with again this please.

This is the BBAD thread, so the winner of this will be known when that airs tonight in the east.

So, is THAT when it's ok to start writing about things that have happened today and tonight without need for spoiler tags? I mean, if you all are watching the very show this thread is named after, why would you be waiting until things had aired on CBS?

I can't even make a vague comment about the spoiler because most people here already know which side I'm rooting for.

Let Dani's kissing of Jeff's rear-end and everybody's posturing for POV begin! My guess is that Kalia and Porsche are going on the block with the intention of backdooring you-know-who. Rachel is already acting in the feeds (post-HOH) as if she's Jordan's best friend, when just the night before she was cursing them out. It'd be hilarious if, by the end of the week Jeff and Jordan's HOH, they choose to backdoor Rachel just because they're so effin' annoyed with her.

And dolphinboy, feel free to post whatever you want about "BB" without spoiler tags in this "After Dark" thread. Spoil-proof posts are just a precaution some of us take from time to time because of the noobs that click on the link thinking it's the main "BB" thread because they didn't bother to read 'After Dark' on the title.

Fixed.

And I'll add a