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Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
#251
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
I just never understand where people, not only Julie, get off talking about playing the game with integrity. Do people who say that really believe only they know what integrity is? It's a game and Julie would have had to do the same things as Rob to be in his position and she probably would have done it with less class. Nat was 19 and, yes, she did fall for Rob, but she made it to the final 3 and it's not easy getting that far no matter how you play the game. Besides, yes, she did follow Rob too much, but older people did as well and I really do believe she would have taken him out if he hadn't had the idol. She felt comfortable in that alliance and that's not really that difficult to understand and when she finally realized it might be time to cut the cord it was too late.
#252
DVD Talk God
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
Congrats to Rob. I like the guy and I'm happy for him and Amber, but I hope I never have to see his face on TV ever again. Yeah I heard he's hosting some History Channel reality series, but I have no interest in seeing him again. 6 times on CBS is enough (2 on the Amazing Race in addition to Survivor)
Probably the most 1-sided, predictable endings to a Survivor season ever. Was it the worst season of Survivor ever? No, that IMO still goes to Vanuatu with that loser Chris taking the crown.
Natalie and Ashley were IMO 2 of the stupidest Survivor contestants ever. All they did was ride on Rob's coat tail the entire season and neither one had the balls to make a big move. Andrea was so right in her final tribal speech.
to Grant being a little bitch to Rob at the Reunion show.
His wife, Christina Cox, is hot though. She's a TV and Film actress. IIRC, she had a small part on the final season of 24.
to Redemption Island coming back in the Fall with 2 returning players. I'm still going to watch, but I thought the concept got dull really fast.
Probably the most 1-sided, predictable endings to a Survivor season ever. Was it the worst season of Survivor ever? No, that IMO still goes to Vanuatu with that loser Chris taking the crown.
Natalie and Ashley were IMO 2 of the stupidest Survivor contestants ever. All they did was ride on Rob's coat tail the entire season and neither one had the balls to make a big move. Andrea was so right in her final tribal speech.
to Grant being a little bitch to Rob at the Reunion show.
His wife, Christina Cox, is hot though. She's a TV and Film actress. IIRC, she had a small part on the final season of 24.
to Redemption Island coming back in the Fall with 2 returning players. I'm still going to watch, but I thought the concept got dull really fast.
Last edited by DJariya; 05-16-11 at 03:45 AM.
#253
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
"You question a woman's character, you question a woman's ability, she'll snap your neck! You open your heart, show a woman you're vulnerable, then they start thinkin' with their heart. That's when they open up that back door. "
#254
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
And RI turned out to be a total bust. After a season-long build up, the person who came back was immediately voted out.
#256
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
I hate to say it because i'm a big fan of his (I love his blogs), but I think Probst has to go. He's had a string of absolutely horrible reunion shows and he's starting to plant himself WAY too much into the game, affecting the outcome. He asks questions in tribal that are affecting how people react and think about whats going on. That shouldn't be his job.
Anyway, just my $.02.
Are there any pictures from the reunion show?
Anyway, just my $.02.
Are there any pictures from the reunion show?
#257
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Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
Grant needs to get over it. What a wussy.
And I don't remember that chick Dave proposed to (which was really cheesy) -- she's rather attractive.
Rob played a masterful game.
And I don't remember that chick Dave proposed to (which was really cheesy) -- she's rather attractive.
Rob played a masterful game.
Last edited by Red Dog; 05-16-11 at 08:07 AM.
#258
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
It wasn't so much the experience/inexperience meme that the Rob defenders are trying to shoot down... it was him ending up with a good mix of idiots and people who had hero worship (or in the case of someone like Nat both)
He did a great job managing things and was certainly smart enough to capitalize on it, but he started out in a real good situation and made 2 really great moves early on (taking out Matt to secure Andrea and keeping Phile around as a lightning rod) After that it was a lot more autopilot than 'mastery'...while I'm sure he had to nurture the relationships, between Phile/Nat/Ash he had a voting block of 4 at all times no matter what, and simply had to keep Andrea and Grant on board long enough. In a tribe of 9 pre-merge you only need 5 (and only 4 when the tribe gets to 7), and post merge with 4 votes rock solid it was just a matter of getting to 7 and keeping Grant and Andrea happy enough early on to get there.
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If you look past the outcome, this has to be one of the worst overall seasons of survivor:
- Complete lack of drama after the merge
- Poor casting - how many contestants did we actually get to know or care about?
- Shitty editing ...All Phil, all the time at camp mixed with Rob confessionals about him managing idiots and soldiers; and this gets back to the item above about not really getting to know anyone else
- Really bad challenges - I realize they had issues with water challenges but the 2nd to last challenge was walking on a beam and putting the #'s 1 to 100 in order? The last challenge was a maze and a word puzzle? (could they have been teed up any better for Rob?)
- Jeff doing a real poor job asking questions in tribal council, including the absurd spontaneous Town Hall meeting on race relations. It seems like he selectively pushes on the strategy component depending on who's impacted by his questions.
- The Redemption Island twist was a failure. Perhaps if there was more than one person thinking about gameplay it may have lead to something interesting but it really had close to zero impact. (the first RI return had a small chance to shake things up I guess). I hope they do away with this but it keeps more people in the mix longer and it gives them a chance to drag out people they like for more shows and airtime so there's probably no chance this goes away.
While there may be less memorable seasons, I think this has to be one of the worst, if not THE worst season.
The Russell vs Rob showdown never happened
Redemption Island added nothing to the show, and took away a lot. The beginning credits were eliminated, and several players like Steve, Ralph and Julie barely got any screen time.
Way too predictable - after the merge, every freaking vote had ZERO surprises.
Phillip went from funny kook to extremely abrasive and uncomfortable. The reunion show made him look pretty good, but he still comes off as a very unpleasant person.
This season had some of the worst challenge designs. Shuffleboard again! Bag toss, and last night's immunity challenge was a rehash of maze challenges done in Australia and other seasons.
We learned zero about the environment or culture. It was mere window dressing.
Jeff Probst became extremely annoying with his nonstop gushing over Rob and Phillip.
#259
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
#260
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
I hate to say it because i'm a big fan of his (I love his blogs), but I think Probst has to go. He's had a string of absolutely horrible reunion shows and he's starting to plant himself WAY too much into the game, affecting the outcome. He asks questions in tribal that are affecting how people react and think about whats going on. That shouldn't be his job.
Anyway, just my $.02.
Are there any pictures from the reunion show?
Anyway, just my $.02.
Are there any pictures from the reunion show?
#261
DVD Talk Special Edition
#263
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
#265
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
Rob played a near-perfect game, which made for a really dull season. Week after week with no surprises.
That said, I hope we never see him on Survivor again.
The Redemption Island twist turned out to be a big dud with the returnees getting booted as soon as they were back in the game. They should have given them automatic immunity for their first tribal council back.
I wonder if we aren't hitting a will with shows like Survivor and Big Brother. This Survivor: RI reminded me a lot of last summer's Big Brother where one alliance completely dominated the game with a perfect strategy. They've been running so long that we're going to see strategies perfected and more dull games.
Major props for Jeff Probst for controlling himself and not tackling Rob and sucking his dick at any point during the game or reunion show.
That said, I hope we never see him on Survivor again.
The Redemption Island twist turned out to be a big dud with the returnees getting booted as soon as they were back in the game. They should have given them automatic immunity for their first tribal council back.
I wonder if we aren't hitting a will with shows like Survivor and Big Brother. This Survivor: RI reminded me a lot of last summer's Big Brother where one alliance completely dominated the game with a perfect strategy. They've been running so long that we're going to see strategies perfected and more dull games.
Major props for Jeff Probst for controlling himself and not tackling Rob and sucking his dick at any point during the game or reunion show.
#266
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
Russell has a new reality show lined up.
#267
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
Can't they just be in love? Is that so unrealistic these days?
#269
Banned
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
Nat was 19 and, yes, she did fall for Rob
Anyway, it's the SHOW'S fault. I don't know where it started, but they seem to just focus on a few people, like Matt, Rob, and crazy Phil. Yes, they gave the best sound bites, but I think they underestimate the audience. They think we need a STAR or a CRAZY to do most of the talking and they choose to not air a lot more confessionals from the rest of the contestants. Just as Jeff, inexplicably, didn't talk to several people at the reunion (which really sucked, we got a stupid proposal and Russell's rant instead), they just don't have faith in letting others talk enough for us to get to know them and their thoughts. Even if they have stupid ideas, I think we want to get to know more of the people playing better and could use less of Coach, Russell, Phillip, Rob (no matter how funny he was), and anyone else they want to make into the STARS of the season.
I will be back for next season and every season after that.
Anyway, it's the SHOW'S fault. I don't know where it started, but they seem to just focus on a few people, like Matt, Rob, and crazy Phil. Yes, they gave the best sound bites, but I think they underestimate the audience. They think we need a STAR or a CRAZY to do most of the talking and they choose to not air a lot more confessionals from the rest of the contestants. Just as Jeff, inexplicably, didn't talk to several people at the reunion (which really sucked, we got a stupid proposal and Russell's rant instead), they just don't have faith in letting others talk enough for us to get to know them and their thoughts. Even if they have stupid ideas, I think we want to get to know more of the people playing better and could use less of Coach, Russell, Phillip, Rob (no matter how funny he was), and anyone else they want to make into the STARS of the season.
I will be back for next season and every season after that.
Perfect post re: the producers' lack of faith in the audience. Maybe the ratings will prove this wrong, but I agree with you & others that I miss the days in which they allowed us the chance to get to know the contestants & watch the "stars" of the show gradually emerge. It was hard seeing some people get voted off early because we were getting to like them; now, unless they start ranting or otherwise drawing attention to themselves, they're just cardboard cutouts to be used as cannon fodder. It's bad when you get far into the game & barely know a contestant's name or have heard him/her speak (usually it's a her). Your example of Ashley is a good one...they just used her as faceless background material for so long (I never knew she was a college athlete until reading it here). If she had been jettisoned mid-game, we'd never have known that she was a viable threat.
To me, the turning point was a while back when they started showcasing the crazies who seemed to be deliberately hamming it up just to get air time. I mean, Survivor has always emphasized the different folk form the start (Rich Hatch with his spontaneous nudity, for example...but it was usually a genuine quirk or a strategy move). Still, they gave enough time to get to know the other,more 'normal' personalities. And that was when they had both a reward challenge & immunity challenge (I guess the RI 'duel" is supposed to replace one of those most episodes). When they started focusing on the contestants that they felt would get the most buzz, we stopped learning about the others & most of the time was devoted to strategizing about whom to vote off. I understood the All-Stars seasons even though I wasn't a big fan at first, but inviting people back repeatedly messes up the concept. Not only does the audience know the returnees (after all, they get people who made it deep into the game or were finalists), but the newbies know them. It introduces an entirely different dynamic into the game. Even the "Fans Vs. Favorites" was a better idea since the "favorites" all knew the ropes & weren't as likely to fall for cheap tricks.
I wasn't initially a big fan of The Amazing Race, but I think they've done a better job of maintaining the original concept & keeping it interesting even though they do All-Star seasons, too. And they have the additional burden of having to come up with pairs who are different, which isn't easy.
Phillip looked good at the reunion show but still seemed clueless (as pointed out by Probst). He seems almost like the sibling with problems that needs looking after by his family. It seemed improbable that what we saw was the real Phil, but it seems to be the case. Phil's attachment to reality seems tenuous at best...he makes Coach look like an average Joe.
I agree with another poster that the season with Chris was probably my least favorite, although the quote posted above is priceless.
Re: Your determination to stick with the show as long as it's on...you've got a lot more dedication that I can muster up, so you'd get my vote at Final Tribal.
#270
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
Crazy or not, I really disliked the extreme hatred towards Phillip. Just way too cruel for my taste, like beating up a special needs kid.
#271
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
I was thinking that a good move for him would have been to tell Rob that he had his vote as long as he kept him around for a few extra days. Then going to Ralph and telling him that he needed the HII because he heard that he was getting voted out. Then just holding onto it while the Zapatera dropped. It would have been one hell of a dick move and I would have loved it.
#272
Banned
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
Russell has a new reality show lined up.
On the other hand, Colby Donelson makes a perfect host on Top Shot. He's enthusiastic & knowledgeable and seems genuinely supportive of the cast. From all appearances, he's in his element and has the respect of all the contestants. Perfect match of host & show, IMHO.
#273
Banned
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
He's definitely a smart dude. He just got the short end of the stick this season. He got onto an alliance that didn't really trust him from the beginning and it eventually crumbled post-merge. Granted he did nothing to better his position in the game. A smart move would have been going right to Rob at the merge and saying he wanted in. It probably wouldn't have gotten him much farther but as long as it buys you days in the game it's a worthwhile move.
I was thinking that a good move for him would have been to tell Rob that he had his vote as long as he kept him around for a few extra days. Then going to Ralph and telling him that he needed the HII because he heard that he was getting voted out. Then just holding onto it while the Zapatera dropped. It would have been one hell of a dick move and I would have loved it.
I was thinking that a good move for him would have been to tell Rob that he had his vote as long as he kept him around for a few extra days. Then going to Ralph and telling him that he needed the HII because he heard that he was getting voted out. Then just holding onto it while the Zapatera dropped. It would have been one hell of a dick move and I would have loved it.
Don't know, though. Everything was going Rob's way so much that I doubt Rob would have listened to him since the strategy was working perfectly. Using the idol would have saved David from one vote & forced the Omes' hands early (to boot Andrea), but David most likely would have been gone the next Tribal. Still would have been fun to see him trying to work the deal.
#274
Banned
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
It just occurred to me that Nat gave off the same vibe around Rob that Steve Buscemi's crazy girlfriend gave off in Boardwalk Empire. I knew she reminded me of somebody else on tv.
They both know how to work that pout. Rob seemed to have a genuine affection for her (in a paternalistic way). He kept describing her as sweet & loyal but also kind of dumb. She was useful to him, but he still seemed to feel protective of her. Rob did reward her loyalty with a bigger $ payout than the others (except Phil...I guess he came in 2nd in voting thanks to Ralph).
I'm sure Nat will quickly get over her Rob-crush (faster than Jeff, evidently). Besides, if she got too familiar with Rob, Amber would go all Murlonio on her butt.
They both know how to work that pout. Rob seemed to have a genuine affection for her (in a paternalistic way). He kept describing her as sweet & loyal but also kind of dumb. She was useful to him, but he still seemed to feel protective of her. Rob did reward her loyalty with a bigger $ payout than the others (except Phil...I guess he came in 2nd in voting thanks to Ralph).
I'm sure Nat will quickly get over her Rob-crush (faster than Jeff, evidently). Besides, if she got too familiar with Rob, Amber would go all Murlonio on her butt.
#275
Banned
Re: Survivor: Redemption Island – Season Finale – Sunday, May 15th, 2011
I wish Jeff would have asked Ralph if he misspelled the names on purpose & Phil if he mispronounced names on purpose (which would seem to be a handicap for such a sterling candidate to be a G-Man).
Francesca never got to say if she made up with Phil.
Francesca never got to say if she made up with Phil.