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Old 05-25-11 | 09:13 PM
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^Oh, I agree.....I'm the same way...but I HATE how expensive any of them are, even now! I was just lucky to get TNG for $99 last Cyber Monday.....
Old 05-25-11 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Quack
^Oh, I agree.....I'm the same way...but I HATE how expensive any of them are, even now! I was just lucky to get TNG for $99 last Cyber Monday.....
You don't have to tell me about it. I was dreading how much it would cost to finish just TNG at $100 EACH season. Luckily I got a couple at pawn shops and the biggest breakthrough was when Columbia House had their TV club and someone on here figured out how to get anything on the website to qualify for the free introductory DVD sets. I think it was something like three or four sets per membership i just fulfilled with $20 dvds then rinse and repeat. That. Was. Awesome. Got TNG and DS9 on the cheap.

I did just pick up a second season 3 of voyager for $8 at biglots recently if anyone is on the lookout.
Old 05-26-11 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by WallyOPD
Trevor a few years ago had a plan to go through it all in one calendar year. He fell short and stopped halfway through the year, but he made an admirable attempt:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-reviews...er-advice.html
Just stumbled upon this thread, and reminisced on my meager attempt at this in 2007 thanks to Wally's reminder there.

I've gotten pretty good at sticking to DVD-related goals the past few years, so perhaps I'll try this again next year. My OCD will compel me to start over from TOS again, wish I could break that habit.

My probable wife-to-be isn't a Star Trek fan, but luckily my job has lots of downtime, so perhaps I'll just watch these at work. Congrats to the OP for having a partner for this journey!
Old 05-27-11 | 08:54 AM
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I got the complete series of TNG for $100 recently on Amazon from an e-seller...not the bootleg green-box edition, either, but the old seven-season individual boxes complete series.
Old 05-28-11 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
I got the complete series of TNG for $100 recently on Amazon from an e-seller...not the bootleg green-box edition, either, but the old seven-season individual boxes complete series.
Why is this bootleg set always called a greenbox? I bought a legit complete TNG set from DeepDiscount two or so summers ago, and all the DVDs are in the green book like cases.
Old 05-28-11 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tanman
I really have to watch enterprise. Its the only star trek that I haven't watched. I think it's because I haven't been able to find the season sets for cheap. I can't believe I paid $100 for one season on TNG before and now I won't pay $45 for enterprise.

Honestly your journey is probably more like a 10 year goal. It might take a long time.
Originally Posted by Quack
I'm pretty sure Netflix is going to start streaming all the shows come June or July 1st...so that would help out if one has Netflix.
Originally Posted by tanman
I know but the completionist in me needs to own enterprise. Hell I already own 26 seasons and 11 movies of Trek. What's another three seasons? (I have ent S1 already).
I've only seen an episode or two of Enterprise so I feel like I should watch it too. And I own almost all the other series too (missing a couple TNG). But I'll probably try streaming some of it first. The bigger hangup has been those final two seasons of my second-favorite series, DS9, that I still have to get to.
Old 05-28-11 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by NORML54601
Shouldn't the new movie be after Enterprise if it's chronological?
No. The story takes place in an alternate reality due to time travel by both Nero and the original Spock (Leonard Nimoy). The alternate timeline was created in an effort to free the film and the franchise from established continuity constraints.
Old 05-29-11 | 11:02 AM
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Another viewing list. It could use some stardate order tweaks in my opinion, and it doesn't have the newest movie at the very end.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/star...pisodes-1.html
Old 05-31-11 | 08:55 PM
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TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise are currently on sale at amazon for $38.49 - $39.49 a season. TOS is $49.99/season. Not great prices, but lower than the "normal" price. According to camel camel camel the lowest they've been the past year (other than TOS) was ~$36/Season late July 2010.
Old 05-31-11 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tanman
...I did just pick up a second season 3 of voyager for $8 at biglots recently if anyone is on the lookout.
You got very lucky. Those were part of BF-Christmas stock at BL. There were a few other seasons of Voyager, plus a few of DS9 (I got S5 here - there were reports of S2-S7 being spotted), and TOS: The Animated Series. All were $8-$10/season.
Old 06-01-11 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BobO'Link
No. The story takes place in an alternate reality due to time travel by both Nero and the original Spock (Leonard Nimoy). The alternate timeline was created in an effort to free the film and the franchise from established continuity constraints.
Technically wasn't the alternate universe created after Enterprise took place? There are references to Enterprise in the movie.
Old 06-01-11 | 03:55 PM
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Technically wasn't the alternate universe created after Enterprise took place? There are references to Enterprise in the movie.
The nuTrek universe isn't an alternate universe and only separated from the "prime" Star Trek universe when Nero went back in time and destroyed the Kelvin. So up to that point, both universes were the same. Nero (and later Spock) travel through the black hole, and it creates a second universe that diverges from the prime universe without wiping the prime universe out.

At least this is the explanation given by the producers, but I don't really buy it because the tech and aesthetics early in the movie are very different from what we have seen established. So instead of traveling back in time within their own universe, I think it's easier to think Spock and Nero actually went into the past of an alternate universe. Doing it this way would also allow them to radically reinterpret the Trek canon with things like Klingons and Khan and anything else that would have been established before the destruction of the Kelvin.
Old 06-01-11 | 03:58 PM
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I can't wait for the next star trek movie to come out so we can battle for ages about what is Canon and what is not canon lol
Old 06-01-11 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by davidh777
I've only seen an episode or two of Enterprise so I feel like I should watch it too. And I own almost all the other series too (missing a couple TNG). But I'll probably try streaming some of it first. The bigger hangup has been those final two seasons of my second-favorite series, DS9, that I still have to get to.
If you can get past the hokey acting in season 1, Enterprise turns into a pretty good series.
Old 06-01-11 | 10:12 PM
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^I'd agree. I never made it through S1 while it was still in syndication. Over the past few months I've picked up the entire series and have watched through S2. So far, it gets better as it goes along. So far the biggest issue I have with the series is the cheesy opening. It's by far the worst of any Trek series. At least on DVD you can easily skip it.

It's been a while since an update, Xander. How are you doing? Is the wife still on board?
Old 06-02-11 | 08:35 AM
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Haven't watched anything since that last update. I still mention it from time to time, but we watch a lot less TV in the summer. Might have been a fool's errand to begin with.
Old 02-27-12 | 02:16 PM
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If there are no objections, I wanted to revive this tread. I made it my goal to cycle through the entire Star Trek universe this year. The TV-on-DVD* Challenge gave me an excuse to watch TOS and TAS (I will repost my thoughts in this thread). I'm going to watch the films featuring TOS cast this week and will move in a completely arbitrary fashion though Enterprise.
Old 02-27-12 | 02:34 PM
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Hmmmm. If I finish my 2007 attempt would it make it a 5 Year Mission? No, we're on the 6th year now, whew! So I can keep this on the backburner. Thank God.

But I'll be rooting you on Lisadoris. They would all fit well in next month's Action/Adventure Challenge as well.
Old 02-27-12 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Trevor
Hmmmm. If I finish my 2007 attempt would it make it a 5 Year Mission? No, we're on the 6th year now, whew! So I can keep this on the backburner. Thank God.

But I'll be rooting you on Lisadoris. They would all fit well in next month's Action/Adventure Challenge as well.
I totally forgot that this would fit with the upcoming Action/Adventure Challenge! That provides an extra incentive.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I made it through TOS and TAS during the TV-on-DVD* Challengeand you're welcome to check out when I watched what. I had seen all the episodes from Seasons 1 & 2 of TOS before but had only seen a couple episodes from S3. I didn't post my thoughts on every episode in the discussion for that Challenge but here's what I said last month with some slight edits:

"Space Seed," "Balance of Terror," "The Menagerie" and "City.." are the best of the S1 episodes. I should get to "Amok Time" this afternoon and that is one of my favs from S2. As for yesterday's viewing, I forgot how good "Court Martial" was except for the end. The last 10 minutes or so were a completely different tone than the first 40. "Taste of Armageddon" was also interesting and I think very relevant given how modern warfare has evolved in the last couple decades.

"The Trouble with Tribbles" is such a hilarious episode. It took all of my willpower not to hop to the DS9 "sequel" to this episode. "Journal to Babel" is also a great episode and we get to see Mark Lenard again. I was also wondering why The Next Generation never did an episode in the mirror universe? "Mirror, Mirror" was an awesome episode and I'm glad DS9 ran with it and Enterprise jumped on that bandwagon too but it would have been very interesting to see Picard et. al. in that universe.

So I began Season 3 of the Original Series which I had never seen before (with the exception of Tholian Web and Let that Be Your Last Battlefield). I figured the episodes couldn't be nearly as bad as most people made them out to be. The first eight episodes were either dull or ridiculous. "The Enterprise Incident" was ok but the rest left me shaking my head.

Gotta say, the Star Trek episodes I've watched the last couple days have been less than note-worthy. "The Tholian Web" holds up really well and hats off to the effects folks because the restoration of that episode looked amazing. The rest of the episodes are a hot mess. I don't know if the writers were just phoning it in or there was a mandate to lighten things up, but wow. I thought that first season of TNG was bad.

Went through a few more episodes and this batch wasn't as bad as the previous one. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" has always been one of my favorite episodes from a story standpoint. I really noticed the camerawork this time around and it's quite different from other Star Trek episodes. I was really surprised by "The Mark of Gideon" because it seemed to have a very pro-choice, pro-contraception message (even though the Gideon's endgame didn't make that much sense). "Requiem for Methuselah" was also interesting despite some leaps in logic and timing.

I finished The Original Series yesterday and with the exception for the space hippies episode, they all brought something to the table. Now I can say I've seen all 79 episodes. Some hold up remarkably well and others, not so much but I think that's true of most TV shows. Overall it was fun to re-watch the classics and to add some new episodes to my list of favorites.

Sorry for the long post!
Old 02-27-12 | 07:14 PM
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Onto The Animated Series. Oh my those episodes were so much fun! They're better than some of the live action episodes. "Yesteryear" was a bit sad but the Tribbles episodes was hilarious. Very cool. I have no idea how I missed watching any of those episodes until this year. Hopefully no one will try to revoke my Trekkie card.

Though this thread is in the TV forum, I have to comment on the films too. I watched The Motion Picture yesterday though I didn't include it for my Oscar Challenge tally. I've always been rather ambivalent about this film and yesterday's viewing didn't change that. It's not a bad film and it's not a good film: it's just there. It served its purpose about getting people excited about Star Trek again. The best thing about this film is Jerry Goldsmith's score which was brilliant.

Today I watched Wrath of Khan which like most folks, I think is the best film featuring the original cast. I remember I was a convention many years ago and some fan asked Ricardo Montalban whether or not that was his real chest in the film! Most of folks in the audience were so embarrassed by the question but Mr. Montalban, showing the classy individual he was, simply said yes, it was really his chest. One of the coolest villains in movie history IMHO and I still get a little misty at the end.

Search for Spock was an interesting continuation of Khan. I wasn't quite old enough to be a trekkie when 2 & 3 were released but I can imagine how freaked out fans were when Khan ended. Christopher Lloyd was a hoot as was Deforest Kelly. I think Search has a stronger plot than TMP which is probably why I like it better. Wednesday I will watch what has always been my least favorite Star Trek film: The Voyage Home and we'll see if my opinion of it has changed since the last time I watched it.
Yes I know it's blasphemy to say I like 5 more than 4 but I'll explain my reasons after I watch them again.
Old 02-27-12 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TallGuyMe
stolen directly from some nerd on a Trek forum
Well, if you want to be strictly chronological, you'd need to watch it in this order:

Star Trek: Enterprise (Seasons 1-4)
Star Trek (Seasons 1-3)
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek: The Next Generation (Seasons 1-5)
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Season 1)
Star Trek: The Next Generation (Season 6)
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Season 2)
Star Trek: The Next Generation (Season 7)
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Season 3)
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: Voyager (Season 1)
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Season 4)
Star Trek: Voyager (Season 2)
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Season 5)
Star Trek: Voyager (Season 3)
Star Trek: First Contact
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Season 6)
Star Trek: Voyager (Season 4)
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Season 7)
Star Trek: Voyager (Seasons 5-7)
Star Trek: Nemesis
Star Trek (2009 movie)

As you can see, there's a fair bit of overlapping in the middle there...

This is me being especially pedantic, though - plus overlooking a whole bunch of time travel and flashbacks, etc. IMO, there's no substitute for watching each series one at a time, in this chronological order, inserting the films into the correct time period as you go (for some of the films, notably Insurrection, knowing what's going on elsewhere at the time adds a bit of useful background info - you don't need to know it to enjoy it, but it definitely makes some of the commentary more fun).


Shouldnt the Animated Series be after Tos?
Old 02-27-12 | 08:32 PM
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Kudos to anyone that can rewatch the entire teak catalogue
Old 02-27-12 | 09:09 PM
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I've been going through DS9 via amazon prime
I'm on season 7 episode 20 right now
Old 02-28-12 | 06:36 AM
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My reasons for not watching everything in chronological order is Paramount's fault. I was originally going to go in order but Paramount announced that they were only releasing the TNG blu's two seasons per year. I don't want to stream the TNG seasons and then have to watch them again when they are released on blu (I find the first season to be so horrid that I won't watch it twice).

I've seen all the episodes of TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT multiple times so I'll know the background info but you're right, it might make my comments more complicated than they need to be. I'll think this over a bit more.

I slightly disagree with the order though. Even though ENT takes place before TOS it should be viewed after First Contact. I didn't establish spoiler rules so I'll play it safe this time.

Spoiler:
the S2 ENT episode "Regeneration" finds Borg bodies and debris from a Borg ship. I've always made the argument that the events in First Contact created an alternate time line and that the bodies found in "Regeneration" came from the Borg vessel in First Contact. That's the only way to explain why there was no knowledge about the Borg when TNG encounters them in "Q Who" I'd put ENT after Nemesis but before the reboot (since the reboot gives Archer and Porthos a shout-out).
Old 02-29-12 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lisadoris
Spoiler:
the S2 ENT episode "Regeneration" finds Borg bodies and debris from a Borg ship. I've always made the argument that the events in First Contact created an alternate time line and that the bodies found in "Regeneration" came from the Borg vessel in First Contact. That's the only way to explain why there was no knowledge about the Borg when TNG encounters them in "Q Who" I'd put ENT after Nemesis but before the reboot (since the reboot gives Archer and Porthos a shout-out).
Spoiler:
those borg were definitely from the first contact ship. Whether or not it made an alternate timeline could go either way. Them not knowing about the borg in TNG could just be due to the data being lost. Hell, Guinan fled from the borg but if you go by TNG she and the rest of her people must not have told anyone. Then Voyager further muddles it by having 7's parents know about the borg 10+ years prior to the Enterprise D's encounter with them


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