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Old 03-02-11 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by NiCK Crush
Russell just went into this season with the wrong game plan. Rob is definitely playing a much smarter game. And I am a Russell fan. It'll be interesting to see if he can run the gauntlet on Redemption.

Rob is gonna be elated
Maybe he will be happy about.....I don't know. Personally, I would have wanted Russell to stick around long enough to make it to the merge so I could have sent him packing. I think Rob would have loved to get revenge.
Old 03-02-11 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dino88
I don't think Julie ever considered voting with Russell. She just humored them by listening to their plan and the producers edited it to give us a more exciting tribal council. The guy doing the puzzle couldn't have been more obvious about throwing the competition. From that point on, I'm sure Russell knew he was getting the boot.
I agree... her mind seemed made up long before tribal. The CBS edit was pretty bad and predictable.

I really don't get why they would throw the challenge so early... if their alliance is 6-3 what's the harm in winning, even if one person flips you still have the #'s. It seems like they could have done this vote at any point and could have used a tarp.

Seems like a "russell" type move... making a move when you really don't have to do it. They could have picked him off at the first immunity vote whenever it happened... now they are 1 loss away from being even in #'s with the other tribe (and could have been in a commanding 3 up position). Assuming there is one of those challenges where each tribe eliminates a person pre-merge, they now can lose only 1 other challenge or they will start eating into their main alliance.
Old 03-02-11 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
Maybe he will be happy about.....I don't know. Personally, I would have wanted Russell to stick around long enough to make it to the merge so I could have sent him packing. I think Rob would have loved to get revenge.
That's true. Honestly, I could see them working together for a couple votes too if they were to both make it to the merge. Of course, that would depend on a few things.
Old 03-02-11 | 11:44 PM
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I can see that there are mixed feelings, but I actually like the Redemption Island gimmick so far.
Old 03-03-11 | 12:00 AM
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This episode was full of winning!! I loved it.

Love seeing Russell get smacked down. Loved it! Ha Ha!!!

Hope he gets smashed out of it in redemption!
Old 03-03-11 | 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by NiCK Crush
That's true. Honestly, I could see them working together for a couple votes too if they were to both make it to the merge. Of course, that would depend on a few things.
I knew without some form of immunity that Russell's days were numbered right from the start. This wasn't like his previous two seasons where nobody knew what type of game he played. Even though he made that little speech on the first day about not playing the same game this time around, he still tried to and it failed.
Old 03-03-11 | 12:16 AM
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For all the talk about "throwing the challenge", given the final part was so puzzle intensive I don't think they would have won anyway.
Old 03-03-11 | 12:19 AM
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That wasn't the smartest challenge to throw. They start spinning that wheel too slow and they drown a teammate.
Old 03-03-11 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Setzer
I knew without some form of immunity that Russell's days were numbered right from the start. This wasn't like his previous two seasons where nobody knew what type of game he played. Even though he made that little speech on the first day about not playing the same game this time around, he still tried to and it failed.
Well yea, like I said, he didn't go into this season very intelligently. The only way he wouldn't have been voted to Redemption early would have been to be a completely different person from day one. He just was unable to do it. Sure, he made that one speech... but then didn't follow through for a second.

His ego was far too big, and he just wasn't bright enough to know that he had to change his ways this time around... he just doesn't have that ability. I personally think he'll win the next few duels... but I'm not sure he can stick with it the whole time.

But then again, we don't know how long this RI thing is going to actually last. Should be fun.
Old 03-03-11 | 12:34 AM
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Jeff: "you just voted out one of the most successful Survivors ever!"
okay, I guess the winners of the other 21 seasons are below Russel and his total "awesomeness" in winning 0 seasons. Jeff is a complete fanboy when he should just STFU and count the votes.
Taking this from the previous thread, the reason I don't like Jeff being the host is because he plays favorites and injects himself into and potentially affects the outcomes of challenges and tribal counsel votes. Tonight, he questions why a strong 6 is better than a fractured larger group. WTF. We get it Jeff, your mancrush Russel is about to be voted off because he couldn't find the HII that "idiot" Ralph found without even looking for it and now Jeff is pouting about it. Jeff has dated a contestant from the show and he could do it again in the future who knows how he may help that person in the game? He has screamed help to his "favorites" during challenges i.e. someone dropped something or somebody hasn't noticed something, etc. On top on all that, he just seems like a smarmy person with a huge ego.
Old 03-03-11 | 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by chowderhead
Jeff: "you just voted out one of the most successful Survivors ever!"
okay, I guess the winners of the other 21 seasons are below Russel and his total "awesomeness" in winning 0 seasons. Jeff is a complete fanboy when he should just STFU and count the votes.
Taking this from the previous thread, the reason I don't like Jeff being the host is because he plays favorites and injects himself into and potentially affects the outcomes of challenges and tribal counsel votes. Tonight, he questions why a strong 6 is better than a fractured larger group. WTF. We get it Jeff, your mancrush Russel is about to be voted off because he couldn't find the HII that "idiot" Ralph found without even looking for it and now Jeff is pouting about it. Jeff has dated a contestant from the show and he could do it again in the future who knows how he may help that person in the game? He has screamed help to his "favorites" during challenges i.e. someone dropped something or somebody hasn't noticed something, etc. On top on all that, he just seems like a smarmy person with a huge ego.
I think he was probably basing it on the fact that Russell easily made it to the end twice by pulling off some off the most cunning moves in Survivor history. Call his strategy what you will, but it's almost effective except when it comes down to the bitterness of the people who are on the losing side of it and view it more as a friendship camp then a game.
Regardless, throwing a challenge that early is stupid beyond belief. There was no point to it, and it will come back to haunt them. If their alliance is so strong, then they can wait until a safer time to get rid of Russell. I predict being totally fucked when it comes to meeting up with Boston Rob's team at the merge.
Old 03-03-11 | 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by freshticles
I think he was probably basing it on the fact that Russell easily made it to the end twice by pulling off some off the most cunning moves in Survivor history. Call his strategy what you will, but it's almost effective except when it comes down to the bitterness of the people who are on the losing side of it and view it more as a friendship camp then a game.
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Originally Posted by chowderhead
Jeff: "you just voted out one of the most successful Survivors ever!"
okay, I guess the winners of the other 21 seasons are below Russel and his total "awesomeness" in winning 0 seasons. Jeff is a complete fanboy when he should just STFU and count the votes.
Taking this from the previous thread, the reason I don't like Jeff being the host is because he plays favorites and injects himself into and potentially affects the outcomes of challenges and tribal counsel votes. Tonight, he questions why a strong 6 is better than a fractured larger group. WTF. We get it Jeff, your mancrush Russel is about to be voted off because he couldn't find the HII that "idiot" Ralph found without even looking for it and now Jeff is pouting about it. Jeff has dated a contestant from the show and he could do it again in the future who knows how he may help that person in the game? He has screamed help to his "favorites" during challenges i.e. someone dropped something or somebody hasn't noticed something, etc. On top on all that, he just seems like a smarmy person with a huge ego.
Russell obviously knows what he is doing out there. It is clear that he is good at playing this game. And yes, he is a better player than many of the winners. However, this time around, he didn't make the appropriate adjustments for a 3rd stint.

No matter how much you hate him.
Old 03-03-11 | 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by chowderhead
Jeff: "you just voted out one of the most successful Survivors ever!"
okay, I guess the winners of the other 21 seasons are below Russel and his total "awesomeness" in winning 0 seasons. Jeff is a complete fanboy when he should just STFU and count the votes.
Russell has spent one of the longest periods of time playing the game. Simple as that. Jeff was only stating facts. He didn't say he was the best survivor ever, just that he was one of the most successful. If you deny that fact, you're delusional.

Taking this from the previous thread, the reason I don't like Jeff being the host is because he plays favorites and injects himself into and potentially affects the outcomes of challenges and tribal counsel votes. Tonight, he questions why a strong 6 is better than a fractured larger group. WTF. We get it Jeff, your mancrush Russel is about to be voted off because he couldn't find the HII that "idiot" Ralph found without even looking for it and now Jeff is pouting about it.
Jeff is pouting and playing favorites because he told them that having 9 people at the merge is better than 6? Okay...


Jeff has dated a contestant from the show and he could do it again in the future who knows how he may help that person in the game?
God forbid one adult have a relationship with another adult. How scandalous!
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Originally Posted by dino88

Jeff is pouting and playing favorites because he told them that having 9 people at the merge is better than 6? Okay...
The chances of Zapatera making it to a merge with 9 people is IMPOSSIBLE. Survivor has never merged with less than 12 people and the chances of Rob's tribe losing every IC before the merge is also impossible.

Besides, even if they stayed with 9 folks, all you are doing with a full 9 person tribe at merge is giving the other tribe a ton of potential flippers.
Old 03-03-11 | 01:58 AM
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Not a fan of RI being a spectator's sport.

Glad to see Russell's name written a few times.
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Originally Posted by ckw4b
The chances of Zapatera making it to a merge with 9 people is IMPOSSIBLE. Survivor has never merged with less than 12 people and the chances of Rob's tribe losing every IC before the merge is also impossible.

Besides, even if they stayed with 9 folks, all you are doing with a full 9 person tribe at merge is giving the other tribe a ton of potential flippers.
You missed the point.
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Throwing a challenge that soon in the game is stupid.

Still though I hate Jeff's editoralizing the last few years. Also it's a huge freaking spoiler that the 6 people who threw the challenge are not gonna do well otherwise any criticisms of their decision would have been left on the cutting room floor.
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Originally Posted by freshticles
I think he was probably basing it on the fact that Russell easily made it to the end twice by pulling off some off the most cunning moves in Survivor history.
Saying anyone who has never won is one of the best players ever is entirely subjective.

That he was dragged through much of the game by Parvati in Heroes vs Villians and in both seasons his game was entirely reliant on finding hidden immunity idols while searching through camp when finding idols was simply not an option in any other previous seasons besides China makes it debateable how effective a player he is .
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Originally Posted by Howie2000
Saying anyone who has never won is one of the best players ever is entirely subjective.

That he was dragged through much of the game by Parvati in Heroes vs Villians and in both seasons his game was entirely reliant on finding hidden immunity idols while searching through camp when finding idols was simply not an option in any other previous seasons besides China makes it debateable how effective a player he is .
Hidden Immunity Idols are also not very useful unless played skillfully, and everytime he used one, it wasn't just to save his skin, it also changed the course of the game entirely.
Also, what did Parvati or Natalie do except hide behind Russell and ride him to the end? Granted, it's a really good strategy, but they both really didn't do much in a 'playing' sense.
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Historic Moments in time:

Jan. 10th , 1935 Canned Beer invented

May 6th, 1954 – First Sub-Four Minute Mile

July 20th, 1969 – Apollo 11 lands on the moon

March 2nd, 2011 – Russell Hanz voted out of Survivor: Redemption Island

Survivor fans all over the world will no doubt remember this day for decades, and if science hurries up, perhaps centuries to come. Those that missed the episode will no doubt tell their kids years from now, “I was there. I remember it like it was yesterday. Sitting on the couch and yelling at the TV.” And Russell Hanz will no doubt be telling this story to his grand kids, “I was so good they had to purposefully lose a challenge to get rid of me!”

It happened.

After back to back seasons during which he was never voted out, lasting the entire 78 days, Russell Hanz finally met a tribe he couldn’t control.

Russell Hanz is gone.

More on that later…

THE FIRST EVER REDEMPTION ISLAND DUEL

More history was made as Matt and Francesca squared off in the first ever Redemption Island duel.

Some background:

DUELS
We decided to use smaller versions of previous challenges as the duels because we knew they worked and we didn’t want any risks when it came down to a one-on-one duel.

LETTING THE TRIBE WATCH
The decision to let two members of each tribe watch was made just a few days before we began. That was Mark Burnett’s call. He was right. It created yet another layer by separating the tribe. The two people at the duel have valuable information but in exchange for it, they’re away from camp where alliances can shift quickly. The opposite is true for those left at camp. Information is king in this game so anytime you can create a situation in which some people have the info and others don’t, you increase your chances for great reality.

THE ARENA
The idea for the Redemption Island Arena came early in the process but the design and execution of the Arena was still mind blowing. The first time I walked into the half finished Arena I knew it was going to be a good season. The creative team that is our Survivor Art Department really hit it out of the park with this one. They created a ruin that looks as though it has been there for hundreds of years. It was built small enough to remain intimate but large enough to accommodate our cameras. It is one of my favorite builds of all time. What will they do next year?!

PRIOR TO THE DUEL
From a producing point of view we were certainly nervous before the first duel. Remember, this is a massive format change. Survivor had worked just fine for 21 seasons and now we are changing everything. This was our first test of the twist that we had pinned the entire season around – would the duel work?

From a drama point of view we couldn’t ask for me. I really thought Francesca was going to win. She was ahead so quickly that it appeared over. But Matt never panicked. Not for a moment. He continued to take his time and re-work his stick until he had it just right and then he went on a tear and made history, winning the first ever Redemption Island duel.

Matt is now the guy to beat on RI and if he can continue to win, Matt will get a chance to come back into this game..

The possible threat of Matt returning is already causing Rob major stress. You saw him trying to soothe Andrea, but I don’t think she was buying it. If Matt gets back in the game and Andrea is still around, there will be trouble.

LYING TO RUSSELL
I’m guessing so many of you were finding a lot of joy when Zapatera lied to Russell about who lost at the first duel. It does seem fitting that everything Russell had done to others for two seasons is now being done to him.

What is most fascinating to me is the justification of ethics. My most favorite topic. When someone is taking an action that “we” support then it’s awesome, it’s fantastic, it’s brilliant. But when it’s someone that “we” don’t like taking the same action, they’re a villain, a loser, untrustworthy. I’m just sayin… the Zapatera tribe is acting as dickish to Russell as Russell has acted to his tribemates in the past. Is one action more acceptable than another?

STEPHANIE & RUSSELL
Stephanie is no joke. She is a player. She’s smart and she’s feisty. Her idea for a fake idol, while not a new idea, was still a good one. It was a worthy performance as she pretended to protect her bag. The double team effort to get Julie to flip and join their alliance was a valiant effort. I give Russell credit, he chose the right person for his alliance as Stephanie is a barracuda. Stephanie’s problem now is quite obvious. She and Krista have nobody left. They must make a move or they’ll be gone soon.

RUSSELL’S ARM PIT
Damn that was nasty. Note to future Survivors, if you’re gonna shave body parts that previously have not been shaved, please do it a few times before you leave for location. Let your body get used to the sweating and the clothing rubbing against the skin because nobody should have to endure that visually disturbing sight.

THE CHALLENGE
As for the challenge itself, you might remember this from last season. It was a huge construction build and so unique that we decided to use it again. If you are one of the people strapped to the wheel it’s a bit unnerving to be spun round and round while going under water, having to take a gulp of water and then spit it into a tiny trough. You wanted to play Survivor, you got it.

Now to the more interesting aspect of the challenge.

THE THROW
It’s very easy to back seat drive in this game but if you examine Survivor history, throwing a challenge rarely works out well.

When you let the other tribe win a challenge you give them confidence. You give them what they need to begin to believe in themselves. You risk the momentum shifting to them.. Often, you are also giving up a valuable reward. All so you can get rid of one tribemember, which also reduces your numbers, potentially making you weaker when you go to the merge.

Zapatera was so focused on getting rid of Russell that they could see nothing else. From day one, their focus has been “get rid of the cancer.” They wanted him out so badly, they not only threw a challenge, but they gave up a TARP! Next to flint, a tarp is the most sought after item on Survivor.

The other big risk is that anytime you go to Tribal Council, regardless the plan, you risk being voted out.yourself. Blindsides are very common in this game.

That’s how badly Zapatera wanted Russell gone!

THE OTHER SIDE
Having said all of this, I’m sure there are times when the risk feels worth the reward. Leaving Russell on your tribe is risky. He’s a proven player who can manipulate and if you go to a merge, and he’s on the bottom, it’s a given that he’ll flip.

I’m not second guessing Zapatera’s move, but it will be interesting to see if history repeats and Zapatera lives to regret their decision.

TRANSLATING RALPHSPEAK
I don’t know if it’s my Midwest roots but I understood Ralphspeak almost immediately. Sure, it takes a moment, you have to let it roll through your brain, but as it makes it’s way across your neural pathways, it slows enough that you can pick up enough words to make sense. Ralph is a sharp dude, don’t underestimate him just because of the unique way in which he speaks.

RALPH’S SLIPPERY SLOPE
Ralph’s biggest issue is not his manner of speaking, it’s his ego. Ralph is heading down the same slippery slope of ego that has consumed Russell. Ralph is not quite as smart a Survivor player as he thinks and his biggest liability is his mouth. He doesn’t think before he speaks. Ralph has the idol and he’s been strong in challenges. He has so much going for him but if someone doesn’t get his ego in check he’ll do himself in.

WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND
When the entire tribe knows they threw a challenge and they’re about to vote out the person that they threw the challenge to vote out… and that person knows they threw the challenge too… why do they still lie to me when asked, “Did you throw the challenge?” I never get this. Maybe it’s just a basic premise surrounding the idea that “saying less is more” at tribal council. But now that I’ve seen the interviews confirming that they absolutely threw the challenge, I am once again confused as to why they wouldn’t say – “Yes we threw it, so we could vote out Russell. Come on Probst, how hard is this to figure out?”

As I often do I refer back to the idea that maybe this is why I am only a host, not a player.

THE NEAR BLINDSIDE
Did you think Russell had Julie convinced? Ah we’ll never know how close she was to flipping sides. A lot? A little? None at all?

THE OUTCOME
After all was said and done, Julie stayed true to her alliance and just like that – Russell was voted out.

Were you happy? Sad? Are you rooting for him at Redemption Island or do you want to see Matt destroy him?

This is brand new territory for Russell but we all know that Russell can never be counted out. He is always playing. But he will have his work cut out for him with Matt. Matt has had a few days to adjust, Matt has been to the Arena before, Matt has already competed and won a duel. On top of it all, Russell thinks he is going to battle against Francesca, a far cry from the athletic abilities of Matt.

Will Russell try to intimidate Matt? Will he try to befriend him? Will Matt ask Russell to pray with him? Ah so many good questions.

You don’t want to miss next week – it is do or die time for Russell Hanz. You can’t get a better tease than that.
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Historic Moments in time:

Jan. 10th , 1935 Canned Beer invented

May 6th, 1954 – First Sub-Four Minute Mile

July 20th, 1969 – Apollo 11 lands on the moon

March 2nd, 2011 – Russell Hanz voted out of Survivor: Redemption Island

Survivor fans all over the world will no doubt remember this day for decades, and if science hurries up, perhaps centuries to come. Those that missed the episode will no doubt tell their kids years from now, “I was there. I remember it like it was yesterday. Sitting on the couch and yelling at the TV.” And Russell Hanz will no doubt be telling this story to his grand kids, “I was so good they had to purposefully lose a challenge to get rid of me!”

It happened.

After back to back seasons during which he was never voted out, lasting the entire 78 days, Russell Hanz finally met a tribe he couldn’t control.

Russell Hanz is gone.

More on that later…

THE FIRST EVER REDEMPTION ISLAND DUEL

More history was made as Matt and Francesca squared off in the first ever Redemption Island duel.

Some background:

DUELS
We decided to use smaller versions of previous challenges as the duels because we knew they worked and we didn’t want any risks when it came down to a one-on-one duel.

LETTING THE TRIBE WATCH
The decision to let two members of each tribe watch was made just a few days before we began. That was Mark Burnett’s call. He was right. It created yet another layer by separating the tribe. The two people at the duel have valuable information but in exchange for it, they’re away from camp where alliances can shift quickly. The opposite is true for those left at camp. Information is king in this game so anytime you can create a situation in which some people have the info and others don’t, you increase your chances for great reality.

THE ARENA
The idea for the Redemption Island Arena came early in the process but the design and execution of the Arena was still mind blowing. The first time I walked into the half finished Arena I knew it was going to be a good season. The creative team that is our Survivor Art Department really hit it out of the park with this one. They created a ruin that looks as though it has been there for hundreds of years. It was built small enough to remain intimate but large enough to accommodate our cameras. It is one of my favorite builds of all time. What will they do next year?!

PRIOR TO THE DUEL
From a producing point of view we were certainly nervous before the first duel. Remember, this is a massive format change. Survivor had worked just fine for 21 seasons and now we are changing everything. This was our first test of the twist that we had pinned the entire season around – would the duel work?

From a drama point of view we couldn’t ask for me. I really thought Francesca was going to win. She was ahead so quickly that it appeared over. But Matt never panicked. Not for a moment. He continued to take his time and re-work his stick until he had it just right and then he went on a tear and made history, winning the first ever Redemption Island duel.

Matt is now the guy to beat on RI and if he can continue to win, Matt will get a chance to come back into this game..

The possible threat of Matt returning is already causing Rob major stress. You saw him trying to soothe Andrea, but I don’t think she was buying it. If Matt gets back in the game and Andrea is still around, there will be trouble.

LYING TO RUSSELL
I’m guessing so many of you were finding a lot of joy when Zapatera lied to Russell about who lost at the first duel. It does seem fitting that everything Russell had done to others for two seasons is now being done to him.

What is most fascinating to me is the justification of ethics. My most favorite topic. When someone is taking an action that “we” support then it’s awesome, it’s fantastic, it’s brilliant. But when it’s someone that “we” don’t like taking the same action, they’re a villain, a loser, untrustworthy. I’m just sayin… the Zapatera tribe is acting as dickish to Russell as Russell has acted to his tribemates in the past. Is one action more acceptable than another?

STEPHANIE & RUSSELL
Stephanie is no joke. She is a player. She’s smart and she’s feisty. Her idea for a fake idol, while not a new idea, was still a good one. It was a worthy performance as she pretended to protect her bag. The double team effort to get Julie to flip and join their alliance was a valiant effort. I give Russell credit, he chose the right person for his alliance as Stephanie is a barracuda. Stephanie’s problem now is quite obvious. She and Krista have nobody left. They must make a move or they’ll be gone soon.

RUSSELL’S ARM PIT
Damn that was nasty. Note to future Survivors, if you’re gonna shave body parts that previously have not been shaved, please do it a few times before you leave for location. Let your body get used to the sweating and the clothing rubbing against the skin because nobody should have to endure that visually disturbing sight.

THE CHALLENGE
As for the challenge itself, you might remember this from last season. It was a huge construction build and so unique that we decided to use it again. If you are one of the people strapped to the wheel it’s a bit unnerving to be spun round and round while going under water, having to take a gulp of water and then spit it into a tiny trough. You wanted to play Survivor, you got it.

Now to the more interesting aspect of the challenge.

THE THROW
It’s very easy to back seat drive in this game but if you examine Survivor history, throwing a challenge rarely works out well.

When you let the other tribe win a challenge you give them confidence. You give them what they need to begin to believe in themselves. You risk the momentum shifting to them.. Often, you are also giving up a valuable reward. All so you can get rid of one tribemember, which also reduces your numbers, potentially making you weaker when you go to the merge.

Zapatera was so focused on getting rid of Russell that they could see nothing else. From day one, their focus has been “get rid of the cancer.” They wanted him out so badly, they not only threw a challenge, but they gave up a TARP! Next to flint, a tarp is the most sought after item on Survivor.

The other big risk is that anytime you go to Tribal Council, regardless the plan, you risk being voted out.yourself. Blindsides are very common in this game.

That’s how badly Zapatera wanted Russell gone!

THE OTHER SIDE
Having said all of this, I’m sure there are times when the risk feels worth the reward. Leaving Russell on your tribe is risky. He’s a proven player who can manipulate and if you go to a merge, and he’s on the bottom, it’s a given that he’ll flip.

I’m not second guessing Zapatera’s move, but it will be interesting to see if history repeats and Zapatera lives to regret their decision.

TRANSLATING RALPHSPEAK
I don’t know if it’s my Midwest roots but I understood Ralphspeak almost immediately. Sure, it takes a moment, you have to let it roll through your brain, but as it makes it’s way across your neural pathways, it slows enough that you can pick up enough words to make sense. Ralph is a sharp dude, don’t underestimate him just because of the unique way in which he speaks.

RALPH’S SLIPPERY SLOPE
Ralph’s biggest issue is not his manner of speaking, it’s his ego. Ralph is heading down the same slippery slope of ego that has consumed Russell. Ralph is not quite as smart a Survivor player as he thinks and his biggest liability is his mouth. He doesn’t think before he speaks. Ralph has the idol and he’s been strong in challenges. He has so much going for him but if someone doesn’t get his ego in check he’ll do himself in.

WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND
When the entire tribe knows they threw a challenge and they’re about to vote out the person that they threw the challenge to vote out… and that person knows they threw the challenge too… why do they still lie to me when asked, “Did you throw the challenge?” I never get this. Maybe it’s just a basic premise surrounding the idea that “saying less is more” at tribal council. But now that I’ve seen the interviews confirming that they absolutely threw the challenge, I am once again confused as to why they wouldn’t say – “Yes we threw it, so we could vote out Russell. Come on Probst, how hard is this to figure out?”

As I often do I refer back to the idea that maybe this is why I am only a host, not a player.

THE NEAR BLINDSIDE
Did you think Russell had Julie convinced? Ah we’ll never know how close she was to flipping sides. A lot? A little? None at all?

THE OUTCOME
After all was said and done, Julie stayed true to her alliance and just like that – Russell was voted out.

Were you happy? Sad? Are you rooting for him at Redemption Island or do you want to see Matt destroy him?

This is brand new territory for Russell but we all know that Russell can never be counted out. He is always playing. But he will have his work cut out for him with Matt. Matt has had a few days to adjust, Matt has been to the Arena before, Matt has already competed and won a duel. On top of it all, Russell thinks he is going to battle against Francesca, a far cry from the athletic abilities of Matt.

Will Russell try to intimidate Matt? Will he try to befriend him? Will Matt ask Russell to pray with him? Ah so many good questions.

You don’t want to miss next week – it is do or die time for Russell Hanz. You can’t get a better tease than that.
Old 03-03-11 | 07:35 AM
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Re: Survivor: Redemption Island -- March 2, 2011

Originally Posted by ckw4b
The chances of Zapatera making it to a merge with 9 people is IMPOSSIBLE. Survivor has never merged with less than 12 people and the chances of Rob's tribe losing every IC before the merge is also impossible.

Besides, even if they stayed with 9 folks, all you are doing with a full 9 person tribe at merge is giving the other tribe a ton of potential flippers.
In the season with Tom Westman, didn't his tribe win every challenge until Stephanie was the only one left on the opposing tribe?
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Re: Survivor: Redemption Island -- March 2, 2011

Originally Posted by freshticles
Hidden Immunity Idols are also not very useful unless played skillfully, and everytime he used one, it wasn't just to save his skin, it also changed the course of the game entirely.
Also, what did Parvati or Natalie do except hide behind Russell and ride him to the end? Granted, it's a really good strategy, but they both really didn't do much in a 'playing' sense.
that is not true. In his first season, right after the merge of the tribes, Russel found the first of the HII. He played it without knowing that the everyone wanted to get rid of Erik. He was out of the loop and "wasted" his idol when no one ended up voting for him. That is also the point, Galu came into the merge with large numbers over Russel's tribe but they were fractured and ended up losing. Someone should have told Jeff that when he tried to question them on why a strong 6 is better than a fractured larger group.
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Re: Survivor: Redemption Island -- March 2, 2011

Originally Posted by dino88
That wasn't the smartest challenge to throw. They start spinning that wheel too slow and they drown a teammate.


I agree with the others who don't understand why they threw that (not that I'm sure they would have won anyhow).

I really liked R.I. although I don't like that people are allowed to watch it. I think it would be much better to the game if it was a total mystery who could be over there once they get through a few more cycles.


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