Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
ign really gave this episode a beating. It was one of their lowest rated episodes of recent memory. There was another post that I read elsewhere that was on point about why this episode wasn't very good. He basically stated that leaving it to the viewer to draw their own conclusions on what things are or mean is not providing answers. This episode was good about guiding you towards a possible answer without really enlightening anything at all.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Probably the best episode of Lost this season and maybe one of the best of the entire series.
I predicted most of what would happen after the first few minutes but I still cried twice.
Just kidding. This was terrible.
I predicted most of what would happen after the first few minutes but I still cried twice.
Just kidding. This was terrible.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Holy shit....I totally went in here to throw in the towel and declare that you have to just be fucking with people now. Then I saw the extra. You win the day.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
The Walt storyline is dead. We've known this for a long time. They explained by having Locke visit him when he was back on the mainland. He told Walt he didn't have to go back, or something like that. Michael's dead and Walt is free of the island's influence. He's no more relevant that Bernard and Rose.
I do not care about the outrigger scene, Vincent or even what the island or its energy even is. I just want the complete series, all 6 seasons to make sense and not for it to feel like 2 different shows which is how it feels to me.
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http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20010504,00.html
What is the meaning or significance of the two skeletons that Jack and Kate found in the cave of season 1?
CUSE: The answer to that question goes to the nature of the timeline of the island. We don't want to say too much about it, but there are a couple Easter eggs embedded in [the Feb. 7 episode], one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons and hints at a larger mythological mystery that will start to unfold later in the season.
LINDELOF: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living — or, I guess, slowly decomposing — proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, ''That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this.''
CUSE: The answer to that question goes to the nature of the timeline of the island. We don't want to say too much about it, but there are a couple Easter eggs embedded in [the Feb. 7 episode], one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons and hints at a larger mythological mystery that will start to unfold later in the season.
LINDELOF: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living — or, I guess, slowly decomposing — proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, ''That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this.''
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Um, the people behind the show are directly responsible for creating that rabid fan base! this is a show that has dragged out questions or answered them with even more questions, and has even officially created dozens of fake websites introducing mysteries OUTSIDE of the show. Including multiple sites about DHARMA and an entire game-like thing about the fake plane crash under the ocean. Whether that is ABC to blame or the producers, someone is still to blame.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
That's exactly what it is though. Remember that nonsense about everything being scientifically possible? There are 2 distinctly different shows here and don't get me wrong I appreciate both shows but I'm wondering how it's all going to flow watching the seasons back to back.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
This episode gives more weight to my "exploded TARDIS" theory.
Consider: Mother refers to the cave as the "heart of the island", it emits a golden glow.
Likewise, in Doctor Who the "heart of the TARDIS" also emits a golden glow.
On Lost, coming in contact with the "heart" grants supernatural powers (smoke monster), including the ability to grant immortality. Ditto in Doctor Who (bad wolf).
Consider: Mother refers to the cave as the "heart of the island", it emits a golden glow.
Likewise, in Doctor Who the "heart of the TARDIS" also emits a golden glow.
On Lost, coming in contact with the "heart" grants supernatural powers (smoke monster), including the ability to grant immortality. Ditto in Doctor Who (bad wolf).
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
During the opening with Mother and pregnant bio-mom, I thought Alison Janney was completely channeling Titus Welliver's (and Terry O'Quinn's) MIB performances. Especially if you look at the sly, almost evil sideways glances she gives to the woman. I disregarded this once Titus actually showed up in the story, but after the ep the thought seemed to make sense again. In addition, Titus seemed to give a different performance here as Jacob's brother than his previous MIB appearances.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
You know what makes no sense to me? This episode had the MiB explain the Frozen Donkey Wheel as a way off the island. Does that mean that it's 'other' ability, to move the island, was just an accident? Just seems odd that a device set up to allow people to leave also just happened to move the island.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
You know what makes no sense to me? This episode had the MiB explain the Frozen Donkey Wheel as a way off the island. Does that mean that it's 'other' ability, to move the island, was just an accident? Just seems odd that a device set up to allow people to leave also just happened to move the island.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Just a couple things I don't understand...
1) why this is a love it or hate it episode for most folks. I didn't LOVE it, but I also recognize the weaknesses in the episode and can share with some of the complaints about it. But the few things that I thought were wrong with it certainly doesn't make me want to cast the entire episode off or makes me feel like I should give up watching the show again.
2) the Walt story line is the most frustrating thing in the course of the series. It was evident they had bigger plans for the character and his aging could have played in after the time travel stuff. Is there any reason they gave for not wrapping his story line up? The creators said they had more in mind for him but I doubt it was just Locke going to visit him to tell him the island was done with him. Did the actor want out of the show or something?
1) why this is a love it or hate it episode for most folks. I didn't LOVE it, but I also recognize the weaknesses in the episode and can share with some of the complaints about it. But the few things that I thought were wrong with it certainly doesn't make me want to cast the entire episode off or makes me feel like I should give up watching the show again.
2) the Walt story line is the most frustrating thing in the course of the series. It was evident they had bigger plans for the character and his aging could have played in after the time travel stuff. Is there any reason they gave for not wrapping his story line up? The creators said they had more in mind for him but I doubt it was just Locke going to visit him to tell him the island was done with him. Did the actor want out of the show or something?
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
I think they had some trouble during the run of the show getting Harold Perrineau (Michael) to come back at least during some parts of the show's run, but I get the sense that the aging of the actor and C&L running into a wall with that story are what led to it being dropped.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Just a couple things I don't understand...
1) why this is a love it or hate it episode for most folks. I didn't LOVE it, but I also recognize the weaknesses in the episode and can share with some of the complaints about it. But the few things that I thought were wrong with it certainly doesn't make me want to cast the entire episode off or makes me feel like I should give up watching the show again.
2) the Walt story line is the most frustrating thing in the course of the series. It was evident they had bigger plans for the character and his aging could have played in after the time travel stuff. Is there any reason they gave for not wrapping his story line up? The creators said they had more in mind for him but I doubt it was just Locke going to visit him to tell him the island was done with him. Did the actor want out of the show or something?
1) why this is a love it or hate it episode for most folks. I didn't LOVE it, but I also recognize the weaknesses in the episode and can share with some of the complaints about it. But the few things that I thought were wrong with it certainly doesn't make me want to cast the entire episode off or makes me feel like I should give up watching the show again.
2) the Walt story line is the most frustrating thing in the course of the series. It was evident they had bigger plans for the character and his aging could have played in after the time travel stuff. Is there any reason they gave for not wrapping his story line up? The creators said they had more in mind for him but I doubt it was just Locke going to visit him to tell him the island was done with him. Did the actor want out of the show or something?
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
I think they had some trouble during the run of the show getting Harold Perrineau (Michael) to come back at least during some parts of the show's run, but I get the sense that the aging of the actor and C&L running into a wall with that story are what led to it being dropped.
Now, I did read a rumor that John Terry, aka Christian, was at odds with the writers which is why we never got that Jack/Christian scene. This explains the lame explanation via MiB, and the lost body in the ALT, but I'm still hoping Terry pops up.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
I never thought I'd see a worse LOST episode than the Nikki & Paolo one.
I just did.
This episode was a great example of how sometimes it's just better not to answer certain things. I think it would have been far better to leave Jacob and MiB's origins up to the imagination of the viewers...especially after seeing what the writers/producers came up with.
I just did.
This episode was a great example of how sometimes it's just better not to answer certain things. I think it would have been far better to leave Jacob and MiB's origins up to the imagination of the viewers...especially after seeing what the writers/producers came up with.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
I've been on the sidelines this season for all of the Lost hate and I've been more than happy to just enjoy the ride.
This episode ended that. I really found it to be terrible and disappointing in EVERY way. I've read many of the posts here, so nothing I can say would be new, but I will say that the negatives that have been discussed started literally at the beginning of the show. I knew in real time that I was not liking what was happening and what the writers were (not) doing through the whole episode.
I couldn't believe it. I really thought each time they went to commercial that something would happen to clear things up and make me change my mind about how this episode made things MORE confusing and had all those Lost moments where people didn't say or ask the most basic questions you'd expect them to, but when it's happened before it seemed to lead to other scenes that were entertaining, and it never once got better. This crap went on for the entire episode.
I mean, I don't think I've made a peep this season when others were complaining, so if this show really bothered me, I'm not surprised it seems to have gotten the feedback it has so far in this thread. It's well deserved criticism and maybe BAD isn't even the right word, but it was easily the most disappointing episode I've ever had and that shouldn't have happened with only a few hours to go in the entire series.
I really hope some of this can be resolved by the rest of the story, but for the first time I'm really worried that this will end in a very stupid and lackluster way. Like ending the X-Files with a trial that basically was a recap of the entire run of the show.
Please let me be wrong. Please.
This episode ended that. I really found it to be terrible and disappointing in EVERY way. I've read many of the posts here, so nothing I can say would be new, but I will say that the negatives that have been discussed started literally at the beginning of the show. I knew in real time that I was not liking what was happening and what the writers were (not) doing through the whole episode.
I couldn't believe it. I really thought each time they went to commercial that something would happen to clear things up and make me change my mind about how this episode made things MORE confusing and had all those Lost moments where people didn't say or ask the most basic questions you'd expect them to, but when it's happened before it seemed to lead to other scenes that were entertaining, and it never once got better. This crap went on for the entire episode.
I mean, I don't think I've made a peep this season when others were complaining, so if this show really bothered me, I'm not surprised it seems to have gotten the feedback it has so far in this thread. It's well deserved criticism and maybe BAD isn't even the right word, but it was easily the most disappointing episode I've ever had and that shouldn't have happened with only a few hours to go in the entire series.
I really hope some of this can be resolved by the rest of the story, but for the first time I'm really worried that this will end in a very stupid and lackluster way. Like ending the X-Files with a trial that basically was a recap of the entire run of the show.
Please let me be wrong. Please.
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Just a couple things I don't understand...
1) why this is a love it or hate it episode for most folks. I didn't LOVE it, but I also recognize the weaknesses in the episode and can share with some of the complaints about it. But the few things that I thought were wrong with it certainly doesn't make me want to cast the entire episode off or makes me feel like I should give up watching the show again.
2) the Walt story line is the most frustrating thing in the course of the series. It was evident they had bigger plans for the character and his aging could have played in after the time travel stuff. Is there any reason they gave for not wrapping his story line up? The creators said they had more in mind for him but I doubt it was just Locke going to visit him to tell him the island was done with him. Did the actor want out of the show or something?
1) why this is a love it or hate it episode for most folks. I didn't LOVE it, but I also recognize the weaknesses in the episode and can share with some of the complaints about it. But the few things that I thought were wrong with it certainly doesn't make me want to cast the entire episode off or makes me feel like I should give up watching the show again.
2) the Walt story line is the most frustrating thing in the course of the series. It was evident they had bigger plans for the character and his aging could have played in after the time travel stuff. Is there any reason they gave for not wrapping his story line up? The creators said they had more in mind for him but I doubt it was just Locke going to visit him to tell him the island was done with him. Did the actor want out of the show or something?
2) Not sure about Walt but again, I want to see how they tie the two halfs of the show together and I have finally given to the fact that they are not going to be able to do it. The show was not a grand concept from start to finish and instead, we get an epic series that starts out fantastic but in the end, the greater whole ends up taking away from the initial greatness (Star Wars, Twin Peaks anyone???).
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Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
Just a couple things I don't understand...
1) why this is a love it or hate it episode for most folks. I didn't LOVE it, but I also recognize the weaknesses in the episode and can share with some of the complaints about it. But the few things that I thought were wrong with it certainly doesn't make me want to cast the entire episode off or makes me feel like I should give up watching the show again.
1) why this is a love it or hate it episode for most folks. I didn't LOVE it, but I also recognize the weaknesses in the episode and can share with some of the complaints about it. But the few things that I thought were wrong with it certainly doesn't make me want to cast the entire episode off or makes me feel like I should give up watching the show again.
I've already talked about not letting us know his name was Cosmo which I feel was not only a cop out but lazy writing.