White Collar on USA -- Series Thread
#451
DVD Talk Legend
Re: White Collar -- "Wanted" -- 7/10/12 (Summer Season Premiere)
I really enjoyed this episode. The one extremely stupid thing, though, was how Peter circled Neal's location on the map with a big bold red marker. You know, the map that it took Agent Collins' men about 2 seconds to find in Peter's house. He might as well have just set up a flashing neon sign in his window spelling out where to find Neal. Poor writing there--Peter would have been much smarter than that.
#452
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: White Collar -- "Wanted" -- 7/10/12 (Summer Season Premiere)
I really enjoyed this episode. The one extremely stupid thing, though, was how Peter circled Neal's location on the map with a big bold red marker. You know, the map that it took Agent Collins' men about 2 seconds to find in Peter's house. He might as well have just set up a flashing neon sign in his window spelling out where to find Neal. Poor writing there--Peter would have been much smarter than that.
When they were looking at the map I thought he was going to point to the location not draw I giant arrow saying "NEAL IS HERE" on it. The real Peter Burke (from previous seasons who took great care of the music box) would have never done that and then kept it basically right by the front door for Collins. This was simply lazy writing and inexcusable. I mean they show what a great thinker Peter is figuring out where in the world Neal is and the very next second show us that he is apparently a fucking moron.
Funny how one little plot device can ruin an entire episode.
What's the rush in getting Collins there anyway? Why not have a couple of episodes set in Cape Verde and take more than 40 minutes to find Neal?
#453
DVD Talk God
Re: White Collar -- "Wanted" -- 7/10/12 (Summer Season Premiere)
Now that you guys pointed that out, that was pretty stupid and un-Peter like. A little surprising considering this episode was written by Jeff Eastin. He must have had a brain fart in the writer's room. You would think that Peter, Jones or Diana would have taken the map with them and not leave it laying around Peter's house for the taking. Especially considering Collins has been watching Peter like a hawk since he knows about his close ties with Neal.
#454
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: White Collar -- "Wanted" -- 7/10/12 (Summer Season Premiere)
I totally agree. I liked the fresh concept of Neal hiding out after cutting off his ankle monitor, and he was found way, WAY to easily (agree 100% on idiotic map comments too). Guess we'll see where it goes next, but I'm glad to have it back.
#455
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: White Collar -- "Wanted" -- 7/10/12 (Summer Season Premiere)
Exactly. It'd be nice to have a few episodes of Neal on the run, still playing the good guy(like helping the kid) while essentially being the bad guy on the lamb. That would be an interesting dichotomy to see.
The only other thing I can think about the map nonsense is that Peter planned on Collins finding it. There's no way Peter could just fly off to Cape Verde without Collins on his ass. Having Collins find it gave him an out with his boss to take off work and find Neal.
That being said, instead of being a stupid plot device it now is a convoluted one that relies and too many dominoes to fall into place in this scenario. Plus Peter spoke to Neal and gave the heads up on Collins. There was no need to go to Cape Verde unless Collins found out where he was.
Also I want to know what Ms. Suit told Ms. Parker. I think she was way to trusting so fast.
The only other thing I can think about the map nonsense is that Peter planned on Collins finding it. There's no way Peter could just fly off to Cape Verde without Collins on his ass. Having Collins find it gave him an out with his boss to take off work and find Neal.
That being said, instead of being a stupid plot device it now is a convoluted one that relies and too many dominoes to fall into place in this scenario. Plus Peter spoke to Neal and gave the heads up on Collins. There was no need to go to Cape Verde unless Collins found out where he was.
Also I want to know what Ms. Suit told Ms. Parker. I think she was way to trusting so fast.
#456
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: White Collar -- "Wanted" -- 7/10/12 (Summer Season Premiere)
Glad to see Mia Maestro too, knew her right away from Alias.
It was a good premiere, but I don't like at all how rushed this whole arc feels. Having Neal on the run could easily last half a season, but it feels like they're in a rush to return to the case of the week episodes. Still love the show, but it's nice to change it up on occasion.
It was a good premiere, but I don't like at all how rushed this whole arc feels. Having Neal on the run could easily last half a season, but it feels like they're in a rush to return to the case of the week episodes. Still love the show, but it's nice to change it up on occasion.
#457
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: White Collar -- "Wanted" -- 7/10/12 (Summer Season Premiere)
Glad to see Mia Maestro too, knew her right away from Alias.
It was a good premiere, but I don't like at all how rushed this whole arc feels. Having Neal on the run could easily last half a season, but it feels like they're in a rush to return to the case of the week episodes. Still love the show, but it's nice to change it up on occasion.
It was a good premiere, but I don't like at all how rushed this whole arc feels. Having Neal on the run could easily last half a season, but it feels like they're in a rush to return to the case of the week episodes. Still love the show, but it's nice to change it up on occasion.
#458
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: White Collar -- "Wanted" -- 7/10/12 (Summer Season Premiere)
I guess he finally came to his senses.
Great episode. This show just makes me smile. I need that in my life.
Not too big on Mekhi Phifer but he didn't annoy me that much here.
It will be interesting to see how they will get Neal back on the WC unit.
It's called White Collar. Not Burn Notice.
Did anyone else cringe anytime Neal said burned? It's nice they're (inadvertently) referencing a sister show but they shouldn't do it too much.
Great episode. This show just makes me smile. I need that in my life.
Not too big on Mekhi Phifer but he didn't annoy me that much here.
It will be interesting to see how they will get Neal back on the WC unit.
Glad to see Mia Maestro too, knew her right away from Alias.
It was a good premiere, but I don't like at all how rushed this whole arc feels. Having Neal on the run could easily last half a season, but it feels like they're in a rush to return to the case of the week episodes. Still love the show, but it's nice to change it up on occasion.
It was a good premiere, but I don't like at all how rushed this whole arc feels. Having Neal on the run could easily last half a season, but it feels like they're in a rush to return to the case of the week episodes. Still love the show, but it's nice to change it up on occasion.
Did anyone else cringe anytime Neal said burned? It's nice they're (inadvertently) referencing a sister show but they shouldn't do it too much.
#459
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: White Collar -- "Wanted" -- 7/10/12 (Summer Season Premiere)
Oh, I feel the same way about Burn Notice. I understand the USA shows are about the 'case of the week', but my favorite part is always the overarching mythology. Going back to The X-Files, I always watch shows more for the overarching storyline, with the case of the week as a bonus. So it's frustrating seeing great potential in a story arc be cut short because of the rush to get back to the usual format.
#460
DVD Talk God
White Collar -- "Most Wanted" -- 7/17/12
Synopsis:
Spoiler:
Episode 2 of 16
Promo:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Pz6T-JFsW9I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
#461
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: White Collar -- "Most Wanted" -- 7/17/12
Kind of a yawner IMHO. Glad they're back into New York though - even if we have to deal with the whole get Peter back in his job and Mozzie back in NYC.
#462
DVD Talk God
Re: White Collar -- "Most Wanted" -- 7/17/12
Predictable end to this arc, but still entertaining nevertheless. It's not surprising they went with a nice and tidy resolution. They had to get Neal back to New York and exonerated to get back to working for White Collar. The show is 1st and foremost a case of the week procedural.
They could have had a little more fun and kept things going in Cape Verde.
So let me guess, Neal, Jones and Diana are going to be working cases for a few episodes and Peter is going to sneak off to help them right?
I wonder how long Mozzie will be out of the picture.
They could have had a little more fun and kept things going in Cape Verde.
So let me guess, Neal, Jones and Diana are going to be working cases for a few episodes and Peter is going to sneak off to help them right?
I wonder how long Mozzie will be out of the picture.
#463
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: White Collar -- "Most Wanted" -- 7/17/12
This episode was very much a yawner. I'm hoping the upcoming case of the week episodes are good, because this whole arc with Neil running was poorly executed.
#464
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: White Collar -- "Most Wanted" -- 7/17/12
I thought it was a good episode for this show - very entertaining. I didn't like the bar tending montage, though, as it felt like something straight out of the CW.
I'm really fine with them going back to case of the week because that's why I ultimately tuned into the show: to see their antics around NYC busting up white collar criminals. It would have been nice to see Neal on the run a little longer but that totally strays from the concept of the show.
So now that we are, again, back to square one - I hope the cases prove to be interesting.
I'm really fine with them going back to case of the week because that's why I ultimately tuned into the show: to see their antics around NYC busting up white collar criminals. It would have been nice to see Neal on the run a little longer but that totally strays from the concept of the show.
So now that we are, again, back to square one - I hope the cases prove to be interesting.
#465
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: White Collar -- "Most Wanted" -- 7/17/12
I want to see a white collar/ suits crossover episode.
#466
DVD Talk God
White Collar -- "Diminishing Returns" -- 7/24/12
Synopsis:
Spoiler:
Episode 3 of 16
Promo:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GFmWbR7Ca3c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
#467
DVD Talk Legend
Re: White Collar -- "Diminishing Returns" -- 7/24/12
Another good episode. I liked the bit with Neal teaching Peter how to influence which diamonds the fence would examine.
So I guess Neal's daddy issues will be the overarching story this season?
So I guess Neal's daddy issues will be the overarching story this season?
#468
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: White Collar -- "Diminishing Returns" -- 7/24/12
I like this show, but the episode title kind of fits for me. With shows like Breaking Bad, Justified, and Mad Men, USA shows seem all the more fluffy to me. I liked the shift to Neal & Mozzie on the run, but now we're already done with that and just have Peter dealing with a complete caricature of a boss.
I'm guessing Neal's dad didn't do it.
I'm guessing Neal's dad didn't do it.
#470
DVD Talk Legend
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Sesame Street (the apt. next to Bob's)
Posts: 20,195
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes
on
6 Posts
Re: White Collar -- "Diminishing Returns" -- 7/24/12
All of the shows on USA are pretty light. It makes them an easy & enjoyable watch. Too many intense shows like BB and Justified, and I'll get a nervous disorder.
#471
DVD Talk Hero
Re: White Collar -- "Diminishing Returns" -- 7/24/12
It's obvious to me that USA Networks forces their shows to stay away from any serious emotional plot points or developments. They are intently focused on keeping their weekly episodic structure and minimal deviation away from the basic premise. It's one of their great failings and why I tend to grow bored with them after a couple of seasons.
#472
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
Re: White Collar -- "Diminishing Returns" -- 7/24/12
That's their bread and butter. The shows are like this by design. There are a few good articles about how USA designs shows for their network.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/10/showbi...law/index.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...353678482.html
#473
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 626
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: White Collar -- "Diminishing Returns" -- 7/24/12
I just watched the pilot on Netflix. It was good enough to keep going but does it get more intelligent? The very first escape from prison was so awful and there were so many convenient/lazy plot points. I liked the cast and am going to give it a chance and make up my own mind but just curious what people that have watched the progression of the show think.
#474
DVD Talk Hero
Re: White Collar -- "Diminishing Returns" -- 7/24/12
I just watched the pilot on Netflix. It was good enough to keep going but does it get more intelligent? The very first escape from prison was so awful and there were so many convenient/lazy plot points. I liked the cast and am going to give it a chance and make up my own mind but just curious what people that have watched the progression of the show think.
#475
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 626
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: White Collar -- "Diminishing Returns" -- 7/24/12