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Jacob is not a main character since at the time of the bets he was not on Wiki's main character list.

But... did the island blow up? What does everyone think?

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Since Juliet was inches away from an atomic bomb when it detonated, I think she would be a good candidate for a dead character. But I realize nothing was cut and dry about that scene.

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I took the scene as them flashing back to the present. But we won't know until next year.

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Well, it's an H-bomb. If it exploded, then the 77ers are all dead. I don't think anything was shown conclusively.

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I think all we know for sure is that Juliet is dead.

The island and everyone on the surface is intentionally ambiguous.

I took the flash to mean that the game has changed. What is normally black, is now white - a complete reversal.

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I don't think we can count any of these characters out for the purposes of this game.

Personally, I don't think any of them, including Jacob, will be dead coming next season. I think the Juliet's detonation of the bomb changed everything and given the one-second preview, I think

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How about Faraday was right and detonating the H-Bomb meant a complete reset where 815 didn't crash, which means everybody is technically still alive.

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I agree.

It exploded underground. Perhaps far enough underground where it would only create a crater.

(I firmly believe the Losties changed nothing and we simply witnessed the Incident.)

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I agree with this theory. I don't think it can be confirmed that Juliet is dead. In the season 2 finale, Desmond turned the kill switch on the hatch which caused the white light as well, and he survived.

Also does {105} pay out since Locke is dead.

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-popcorn-

This is going to take forever to figure out! :lol:

IMHO, winners include:

19 Rose & Bernard appeared
45 Flashback to Jin & Sun's wedding in Korea
55 Jacob's Cabin
74 Close up of an eye.
115 Even if the bomb didn't go off, guns only work when gun powder "explodes"
118 Sawyer, Juliet & Kate "left" the island. They just didn't go very far before returning.
122 There were multiple flashbacks

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Add to that list

{116} Someone utters the phrase "Live together, die alone." (5:1)
{122} This episode features a flash-back (aside from the island in the 70s, natch). (5:1)

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Wasn't the line changed to "fight together, die alone"? Pretty sure it was. Maybe I mis-heard.

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I added no. 122 to my post, we probably still need verfication on the 116 quote. I do remember hearing something like that.

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I heard the flashing noise, which would mean the island OR the individuals may have flashed again. Then again, Richard said he saw them ALL die, which means ALL would pay. Alternatively, they could have 'reset' everything and NONE should pay. I agree that Juliet is seemingly dead at the end of this episode. Locke's dead, Jacob's dead. Bomb was definitely used. Live Together/Die Alone paid. I don't know, but if we counted Locke's present-day camp as non-Ajira camp/Others camp overlap last week and that one was iffy, then the threesome left via sub when they said they "had to go back". Flashback happened. Also, the entirely new group always existing should pay, since the whole race of Richard-people were there, and MAYBE that should include Rose and Bernard.

As far as older bets are concerned, we could assume Chang lost a limb since he appears in later videos handless. Jacob's cabin paid. Island flashes, maybe. Island moved, maybe. Eye closeup should pay. Saw the Black Rock. Alpert told us why he didn't age.

This ending is so far from conclusive that who the hell could possibly guess at what may or may not pay. Maybe make a list of all possibles and have a week to PM votes and go with majority? I honestly have no earthly clue as to how you would resolve it, so I don't envy you, Bus.

I will also agree this game will NOT be resolved with anything close enough to be considered a consensus.

Someone will have to fill out the Butthurt Form... :lol:

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I heard Juliet say live together, die alone.

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I just re-watched it online, and it sounded like "live together, die alone."

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I think these are now confirmed:

19 Rose & Bernard appeared
44 Dr. Chang lost a limb
45 Flashback to Jin & Sun's wedding in Korea
55 Jacob's Cabin
74 Close up of an eye.
76 Black Rock appeared
85 Richard claims Jacob keeps him ageless
105 Locke is both dead and alive
106 Jacob's dead
115 Even if the bomb didn't go off, guns only work when gun powder "explodes"
116 Live Together, Die alone quote confirmed
118 Sawyer, Juliet & Kate "left" the island. They just didn't go very far before returning.
122 There were multiple flashbacks

I don't think we have a new group. The Richard people are the Others arent they? and Rose and Bernard were on flight 815 not a new group.

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What about {038} Michael Giacchino's score references "Planet of the Apes" overtly.* (7:1)?

I put money on it, but was never quite sure to listen for.

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I'm not so sure about 105- Locke didn't die in this episode...

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Here are a couple of more to add to the list:

{072} There is a scene showing a canoe, lifeboat, kayak, paddleboat, or otherwise human-powered only watercraft.
Ilana's group took the kayak. Also, Sawyer, Kate, and Juliet took a lifeboat from the sub.

{096} Someone is shown barefoot.
Jacob was barefoot on the beach at the beginning of the episode.


Here's what I think about the ending...

Based on the following statement from The Bus' post, I think 101, 102, 103, 104, 107, 108 should all pay off:

Notes: All the following "dies" questions (as well as the island one) go by Jin-on-the-freighter rules. That is, if it is made to appear that they have died/etc. without any direct clue that they are alive, it counts.

They showed the bomb going off and didn't show anything after that, so we have to assume for now they all died and the island exploded. Of course, I'm sure this won't be true next season - but as of right now, they gave us no clue what might happen. Anyway, that's just my opinion.

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Confirmed:

19 Rose & Bernard appeared
44 Dr. Chang lost a limb
45 Flashback to Jin & Sun's wedding in Korea
55 Jacob's Cabin
68 Rose & Bernard appeared
72 A kayak and a lifeboat were used
74 Close up of an eye.
76 Black Rock appeared
85 Richard claims Jacob keeps him ageless
96 Jacob barefoot on the beach
106 Jacob's dead
116 Live Together, Die alone quote confirmed
118 Sawyer, Juliet & Kate "left" the island. They just didn't go very far before returning.
122 There were multiple flashbacks

Disputed?
101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 107, 108 and 115


I don't think it's as simple as assuming they all died because the H-bomb blew up. The special effect was the same as when the island flashes. I am in the camp that believes that the bomb didn't go off and the Losties all flashed to a different time. Therefore they are all still alive.

Anyway, perhaps what we need to do is declare two winners, one with everybody dying and one with them surviving.

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I'm ok with not counting the disputed items since the end is really inconclusive. It could have ended either with a time jump or with the device going off. (I personally think it went off). If we had a shot of a mushroom cloud or something, it would be easier to call.

But I agree with Shibboleth regarding Locke. He didn't die in that episode. He died many episodes ago. The entity pretending to be Locke (as we knew it) didn't die.

But I'll go with the consensus on any of these

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OK, I updated my previous post to move no. 105 to the disputed list.

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I went ahead and updated my spreadsheet before this thread falls off into the abyss. I went with the confirmed list that Damfino put together. I also added {68} to the confirmed list since Rose and Bernard made an appearance.

If people want to further debate the disputed ones or if Bus wants to make a ruling on some of these, I can very easily make changes.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...8aPuDsaVfczHOA

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Here's the rankings as I currently have them. There were lots of numbers to enter, so errors may abound. Of course, if any of the disputed ones change, the rankings will probably change drastically.

It should be apparent that I kept my thumbs off the scales when calculating these. ;)

outcastja Score 6306460
awil1026 Score 4254690
DarkestPhoenix Score 3004640
Jury Duty Score 394160
dvdhook Score 393618
pinata242 Score 245000
BlackCapten Score 219500
The Bus Score 197950
Jason Score 176860
IDrinkMolson Score 176106
Superman07 Score 162498
aktick Score 85700
datagirl7 Score 62003
Damfino Score 40292
Shibboleth Score 38475
Palaver Score 26400
Raul3 Score 19216
bradler Score 7796
Matthew Ackerly Score 576
BadlyDrawnBoy Score 259
Groucho Score 232
kakihara1 Score 115
kaze0 Score 105
buzzdalf Score 96
kevinlord190 Score 69