Feel free to stop at any time. Nobody has a gun to your head, do they?

Obviously, some people are enjoying themselves. Why ask them to stop something they enjoy?

It's not the debate they enjoy but the attention of being subversive.

(Sorry if this has been asked & answered before...)

I was talking to a coworker this morning about Sayid "outing" Michael on the boat, and I said it is probably because of everything he'd done in Season 2--killing Ana-Lucia and Libby, then turning in Jack, Kate, Sayer, and Hurley.

But my coworker brought up a good point...do the Losties know that Michael killed those people? I guess enough time has passed where I didn't really think about that situation anymore.

^ yes. sawyer brought it up last episode right when ben said it was michael on the boat.

I must be in the wrong thread. I didn't notice anyone trying to overthrow a government in here.

Might want to bust out your dictionary Mike.

When I first thought that Kate's Aaron might be Sawyer's baby, it was back before the O6 were named. Since it seems Aaron is on that list now (according to the producers), he would have to be Claire's since Kate wouldn't give birth until around the time of Sun's baby since they were both conceived on the island.

About Kate dying: Sun seems to be doing fine in Korea after getting pregnant on the island. Maybe if you stay on the island after giving birth you die. Or, Juliet is lying to Sun.

I guessed I too missed that, but the question remains regardless. How do they know? Or is it just an assumption we are supposed to make?

Do we know how and when it was revealed that Michael was the one who shot them?

(edit: thanks Pharoh :D glad I am not the only one confused)

It's pretty powerful circumstantial evidence against somebody when they're the one person among the tight knit community to be missing and two people are dead.

I may be totally misremembering things, but I think one of Libby and A-L stayed alive just long enough to drop the dime on Michael. Never mind the job I think he pulled on them to get a few of them on that dock with The Others.

:lol: hanging out with roger clemens much?

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't think either Libby or Anna Lucia dropped the dime on Michael. I think Anna Lucia was dead immediately/quickly, and Libby, though alive for a while, was unable to talk or say anything about Michael. Or I could be wrong... it's been a while.

Edit: VVVVV thanks Palaver below, I did not recall that scene VVVVV

Michael confessed during the season 2 finale. Sawyer was there.


JACK [pushing Michael up against a tree]: I know what you're doing, Michael! Now tell them the truth. Tell them!

MICHAEL: It was the only way. They gave me a list.

JACK: What list?

MICHAEL: It had your names on it. I had to bring all 4 of you back, or they said I'd never see my son again!

JACK: Who are they?

MICHAEL: It's like I said—they live in a camp with huts. I swear, that's it.

KATE: You let Henry go?

[Michael nods.]

HURLEY: Did you kill them? Ana-Lucia and Libby? Did you?

MICHAEL: I had to, man. I, God, I couldn't find any other way. And Libby was a mistake. I, I didn't have time to think.

HURLEY: But if you did have time—you still would have killed her, right?

MICHAEL: I'm sorry. You understand—I am sorry. I'm sorry. I—my son!

It is what it is.

Thanks for at least confirming one of them wasn't immediately dead. I have to admit it doesn't make much sense for Michael to be able to get the 4 of them to the dock if they knew he was the killer at that point.

It kinda funny, but at the end of season two it was Sayid that figured out Michael was "compromised" and told Jack about it. Jack probably connected the deaths, hence why he didn't load Michael's gun in the season two finale.

I can see it now - whenever the show gets to the point that it shows us the Oceanic six getting off a plane together and being surrounded by the media and announced as the Oceanic six, with Aaron clearly being one of them as the producers have now confirmed and firmly stated, people on Internet message boards will say, "But if you look closely in this screenshot, you can see the top of someone's head in the background and it looks a lot like Jin's hair! CONSPIRACY!"

To my knowledge, the producers have never stated an outright lie about the show -- they have only been vague and mysterious when they didn't want to reveal something. But as they have now stated for a fact that Aaron is one of the Oceanic six, the argument is over.

And there were more important questions and interesting things to debate about this show even before they stated this fact. Jeez, people!

I stand corrected on the podcast about Aaron. I went back and relistened to it. While L&C addressed it, they did sidestep the issue, joking that people are assuming Aaron was one of the six even though he was in utero. They never outright said he wasn't one of the O6.

Dictionary.com -
sub·ver·sive
1.tending to subvert or advocating subversion, esp. in an attempt to overthrow or cause the destruction of an established or legally constituted government.

Merriam-Webster -
1. systematic attempt to overthrow or undermine a government or political system by persons working secretly from within

I know it's nothing, but I found it interesting that Michael only tried shooting himself once and in the magazine was one bullet not like the others. 5 are RP 38 Specials, then 1 is a Federal Special.

edit: it also looks like the French Woman is still alive at the end.

I agree, it's logistically impossible for Aaron to be Kate's kid posing as Claire's kid.

We've seen in Juliet's flashbacks women who have died from being pregnant on the island; the last Juliet-flashback episode had mention of it. So we know it's not a lie, although it was reasonable for Sun do be doubtful.

Also, Juliet theorized that if someone who conceived on the island then left the island before the baby came to term they should be fine, which is one of the reasons she was pushing for Sun to leave. However, no pregnant woman has made it past the second trimester on the island if they had conceived there.

Along the same lines of Michael's timeline off the island being suspect, how about the huge issue concerning Naomi and Frank, and the helicopter?

1.) Only one helicopter is shown on the deck of the boat as they make their way towards the island.
2.) Naomi is heard ordering Frank that she will go in first, that he will bring the science team in after her, and the reason for this is on a "need to know" basis. Frank sounds disgusted ands states something like he should be piloting in and not her.

So what helicopter did Naomi pilot in? The only thing I can think of is that she lied to the losties about it crashing, but that would mean somewhere along the line she decided to allow Frank to pilot it or it wouldn't have been able to pick up the science team. If she piloted it in, and it really did crash, then where did Frank's helicopter come from?

In any event, I think Frank was purposely put on the boat so he could be executed with the losties. He is the man who was slated to pilot 815 and was making waves about the planted bodies being fake. That makes him a threat to Widmore.

I think Naomi lied to the losties. My theory is that she went first to recon the area, with Frank managing the helicopter. Maybe because of the anomalies in the island's sky, she didn't parachute well and ended up hurting herself in the landing.

Very possible, we know she already lied about being sent by Penny instead of her father. Seems odd they would write in Naomi telling Frank he wasn't going though! Hopefully they'll clear this up.

The repost of the debunked theory behind LOST. :D

Debunked when? By whom? That's a damn good read. Well thought out theories as well.

debunked by anyone who reads it and has een watching the show.
anyway the author of that has changed it since it first appeared to take out anything that didn't add up.