New Amsterdam (FOX) --- Series Discussion
#101
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Originally Posted by Superman07
? I thought they got the guy for rape (after he was let go the first time)? If not, it's because I thought something in the system was rigging it. Would be interesting if a "bad" Amsterdam came around that was manipulating the city.
#102
DVD Talk Legend
At the end of the episode they said that they found another witness to one of the rape/murders that identified the taxi driver. Also the knife the taxi driver had did match the wounds on the nun. It was the wounds on Charvi that didn't match that knife, because the taxi driver didn't kill her, her dad did.
So they solved the original rape/murders as well as Charvi's murder.
So they solved the original rape/murders as well as Charvi's murder.
#103
This show I think is starting to come into its own. Unlike a previous poster, I like his glibness about his age and what he has seen. I think it fits in better with what someone that age would be like rather than the typical immortal who is able to hide it from everyone easily.
#104
I think this show suffers from the same illness that October Road, Jericho and 10 other series in the last couple years suffer from. Bad execution. NA splits itself down the middle between episodic crime drama and arc based drama. The two don't often cross because there really isn't any way to link his history to the crimes. I am not sure I like either of the shows.
The premise is great. But right from the beginning too many plot holes and scenes with sappy dialog muddy this up. New Amsterdam. I get it. He comes from Amsterdam (long time ago) and now lives in New York. Am I missing something? Why did the native woman place a condition on his resurrection? They may explain it later, but they show the freakin clip at the beginning of each episode. The acting is often weak, but the dialog is so forced that you can't really tell.
Most of what is good about the show is conceptual. The immortal man, and his legacy. The set design of the past leads me to believe its authentic, although I probably wouldn't know what is authentic. The intertwining of past and modern relationships. Most notably Omar.
It's a compelling enough premise to watch, but I think the execution will be it's ... errr execution.
The premise is great. But right from the beginning too many plot holes and scenes with sappy dialog muddy this up. New Amsterdam. I get it. He comes from Amsterdam (long time ago) and now lives in New York. Am I missing something? Why did the native woman place a condition on his resurrection? They may explain it later, but they show the freakin clip at the beginning of each episode. The acting is often weak, but the dialog is so forced that you can't really tell.
Most of what is good about the show is conceptual. The immortal man, and his legacy. The set design of the past leads me to believe its authentic, although I probably wouldn't know what is authentic. The intertwining of past and modern relationships. Most notably Omar.
It's a compelling enough premise to watch, but I think the execution will be it's ... errr execution.
Last edited by Ayre; 03-25-08 at 01:17 PM.
#105
DVD Talk Hero
I fast forward basically any scene that doesn't involve Amsterdam's true love(or whatever they're calling her). Whoever casted his partner should be fired. These networks have to let go of their obsession with crime procedural dramas. I think a good show could be created from this material but the current incarnation is definitely not it.
#106
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
I actually thought this weeks' episode built on the previous ones in a good way.
Also, I don't know where that new boss came from, but she's already helping balance out the bad, and interjecting some energy!
Partner still sucks.
I was having a hard time telling which of there "together" moments were dreams. Does that mean last weeks' was too?
I think the ending would have been better perhaps if she had of just walked off. However, I think it's very ironic that he told her the truth, but per his self he came off as glib and she didn't believe him.
Oh, I know a lot of you don't like her, but I thought "I Googled you." was funny.
Also, I don't know where that new boss came from, but she's already helping balance out the bad, and interjecting some energy!
Partner still sucks.
I was having a hard time telling which of there "together" moments were dreams. Does that mean last weeks' was too?
I think the ending would have been better perhaps if she had of just walked off. However, I think it's very ironic that he told her the truth, but per his self he came off as glib and she didn't believe him.

Oh, I know a lot of you don't like her, but I thought "I Googled you." was funny.
#109
DVD Talk Legend
I've been giving this show a shot every week because I like the lead actor and the idea behind the show.
One thing I hate about movies and TV is when they make simple mistakes because it's easy and lazy. I get in constant arguments with my son about this. He tells me I can't expect a story about an immortal to be realistic, but I simply point out that I want the writers to work within the rules of the universe they have created. In this case Amsterdam lives in OUR world, with our "rules", the only exception being he is immortal.
In this episode’s case the writers wanted to use 9-11 to explain why Amsterdam decides to become a cop. The problem is that if he decides to become a cop in September of 2001 he still has to go through an extensive background check for 4-9 months, an academy for 6 months, and then spend a year on training and probation. Even after all of that, regardless of what kind of super cop this guy is, there is no way he makes homicide detective right off training. (I suppose Robbery or vice might happen, but homicide is the crème-de-la-crème of experienced veteran detectives).
Now I can see why the writers wanted to use the 9-11 attack. Amsterdam has lived there for 400 years and I liked how he referred to the attack on “my city”. To show him starting homicide in 2002 just bugged me, why wouldn’t the writers have set his flashback in 2004 or later?
Yeah I know its nitpicky, but it’s the same reason I didn’t give K-Ville a shot after the first episode.
One thing I hate about movies and TV is when they make simple mistakes because it's easy and lazy. I get in constant arguments with my son about this. He tells me I can't expect a story about an immortal to be realistic, but I simply point out that I want the writers to work within the rules of the universe they have created. In this case Amsterdam lives in OUR world, with our "rules", the only exception being he is immortal.
In this episode’s case the writers wanted to use 9-11 to explain why Amsterdam decides to become a cop. The problem is that if he decides to become a cop in September of 2001 he still has to go through an extensive background check for 4-9 months, an academy for 6 months, and then spend a year on training and probation. Even after all of that, regardless of what kind of super cop this guy is, there is no way he makes homicide detective right off training. (I suppose Robbery or vice might happen, but homicide is the crème-de-la-crème of experienced veteran detectives).
Now I can see why the writers wanted to use the 9-11 attack. Amsterdam has lived there for 400 years and I liked how he referred to the attack on “my city”. To show him starting homicide in 2002 just bugged me, why wouldn’t the writers have set his flashback in 2004 or later?
Yeah I know its nitpicky, but it’s the same reason I didn’t give K-Ville a shot after the first episode.
#110
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
Originally Posted by DeputyDave
I've been giving this show a shot every week because I like the lead actor and the idea behind the show.
In this episode’s case the writers wanted to use 9-11 to explain why Amsterdam decides to become a cop. The problem is that if he decides to become a cop in September of 2001 he still has to go through an extensive background check for 4-9 months, an academy for 6 months, and then spend a year on training and probation. Even after all of that, regardless of what kind of super cop this guy is, there is no way he makes homicide detective right off training. (I suppose Robbery or vice might happen, but homicide is the crème-de-la-crème of experienced veteran detectives).
In this episode’s case the writers wanted to use 9-11 to explain why Amsterdam decides to become a cop. The problem is that if he decides to become a cop in September of 2001 he still has to go through an extensive background check for 4-9 months, an academy for 6 months, and then spend a year on training and probation. Even after all of that, regardless of what kind of super cop this guy is, there is no way he makes homicide detective right off training. (I suppose Robbery or vice might happen, but homicide is the crème-de-la-crème of experienced veteran detectives).
#111
DVD Talk Legend
Originally Posted by N2DVD
He used to work in the CIA, according to comments he's made in the past, so it is not unreasonable that it would have put his application to the police department on the fast track.
Besides, why would 9-11 make him switch from the CIA to NYPD? Wouldn't the CIA be a better choice if you wanted to stop another attack?
#113
DVD Talk God
No it hasn't been renewed yet. FOX is advertising episode 8 as a "season finale." I think the chances are slim that it will get a renewal since FOX shut down production early. I think one of the suits must not like the show to have made that call.
The ratings have been okay. It's been getting numbers close to Prison Break and The Sarah Connor Chronicles from this season.
Personally, I like the show and have enjoyed all 7 episodes that have aired thus far.
The ratings have been okay. It's been getting numbers close to Prison Break and The Sarah Connor Chronicles from this season.
Personally, I like the show and have enjoyed all 7 episodes that have aired thus far.
#114
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
So I think the end of episode 7 was very revealing. There are a lot of implications and ways they could take that.
Look on his face at the end was terrific. There was so much hurt and despaire there that we haven't seen before. I was expecting him to stare at his son and share an unspoken aknowledgment.
This may have served as a good "season" finale, so I'll be interested to see what next weeks' episode brings. I hope it wasn't just the last of whatever was in the bag.
Look on his face at the end was terrific. There was so much hurt and despaire there that we haven't seen before. I was expecting him to stare at his son and share an unspoken aknowledgment.
This may have served as a good "season" finale, so I'll be interested to see what next weeks' episode brings. I hope it wasn't just the last of whatever was in the bag.
#116
DVD Talk God
Originally Posted by Axeramm
Are they gonna make the only other new female in his life from the first episode 'the one'?
Yeah, I am kind of curious to see how they end episode 8. I heard the original plan was to shoot 12-13 episodes, so I wonder if the next episode has a decent end point to be considered a "finale."
I think what this show has going against it will be cost. Even though the cast is essentially no-name, I heard it costs a fortune to shoot outside of California and it looks like this show is shot entirely in New York.
#119
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Originally Posted by DJariya
No it hasn't been renewed yet. FOX is advertising episode 8 as a "season finale." I think the chances are slim that it will get a renewal since FOX shut down production early. I think one of the suits must not like the show to have made that call.
Honestly not the best show but not terrible. Could certainly grow into something better, especially if they get rid of that awful partner. Fortunately, they have built in that Amsterdam can't keep a partner so hopefully she'll be kicked to the curb if the show somehow manages a renewal.
#120
DVD Talk God
Season Finale is tonight:
Synopsis:
I think the chances are very slim for a 2nd season. The only advantage this show has is that it's produced in house by Regency, which is part of FOX.
Synopsis:
Spoiler:
I think the chances are very slim for a 2nd season. The only advantage this show has is that it's produced in house by Regency, which is part of FOX.
#121
Some shows get middling ratings and deserve to be cancelled.
Some get middling ratings but while not being a great show yet, have a chance with some minor enhancements to become very good shows.
New amsterdam is the latter. It is quite compelling at times, especially when dealing with his lifetime and previous experiences. The cop stuff can be somewhat banal but that is improving and the new sargeant has been an imporvement there.
Overall, it does about as well as Prison Break and Terminator.
I would like to see some more episodes of this show and where they can take it. I like it now, and think it could really develop both in quality and in fanbase if given a shot.
Some get middling ratings but while not being a great show yet, have a chance with some minor enhancements to become very good shows.
New amsterdam is the latter. It is quite compelling at times, especially when dealing with his lifetime and previous experiences. The cop stuff can be somewhat banal but that is improving and the new sargeant has been an imporvement there.
Overall, it does about as well as Prison Break and Terminator.
I would like to see some more episodes of this show and where they can take it. I like it now, and think it could really develop both in quality and in fanbase if given a shot.
#122
its a good show so they will cancel for more stuff like Farmer Wants a Wife, America's Best Dog, or a show i am pitching entitled Get Them Off the Stage where 20 strangers stand on a stage and America votes them off one at a time. They just stand there while America decides who to get rid of so i figure its ratings gold.
#123
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Well... THERE was a season finale for you. YAWN! They didn't even attempt to potentially wrap it up. Not certain I enjoyed this show. Sure I watched it because it was amongst the only new programming during the "drought", but I'm not certain I would if it had been up again the normal Monday line ups. There are just a handful of really large missteps - not the least of which is that AWFUL partner of his!
If this show is going to continue, they need to do something about Amsterdam himself. The heavy-handed "I'm 400+ years old" references isn't just confusing to the characters around him but flat out annoying to the viewer. We KNOW his secret... how about we delve a little more into it and attempt to solve it from a different angle (e.g. is he the only one, surely this "spell" didn't happen with him for the first time and worked perfectly!)?
Not terrible. Not great. Certainly no Journeyman for sure!
If this show is going to continue, they need to do something about Amsterdam himself. The heavy-handed "I'm 400+ years old" references isn't just confusing to the characters around him but flat out annoying to the viewer. We KNOW his secret... how about we delve a little more into it and attempt to solve it from a different angle (e.g. is he the only one, surely this "spell" didn't happen with him for the first time and worked perfectly!)?
Not terrible. Not great. Certainly no Journeyman for sure!
#124
Originally Posted by rfduncan
Sure I watched it because it was amongst the only new programming during the "drought", but I'm not certain I would if it had been up again the normal Monday line ups.
I think it would have been a more interesting show if instead of being a cop, he used all his past life experiences to work undercover in various settings. He could have been a renegade on his own, and each episode he pretends to be an artist or a lawyer or one of the many professions he had once done. That would have been more interesting than him just being a cop.
And instead of solving crimes he could have been helping out all his various descendants in different ways. I liked that one episode the best where he solved the murder of his great-great-great grandson. That would have a cool idea for a series, if every episode, he was finding different branches of his family tree and helping them get their lives on track, sort of like Quantum Leap.
#125
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Don't be too critical of the lack of a wrap-up -- they only did 8 episodes after all. This was a better ending than most trial runs. Comparison-wise, I found this to be more similar to MOONLIGHT than J-MAN.



