This season was so bad in 10 months I don't think I'll be able to care.

Peter's been shown to be able to heal reflexively as well. The first time he used his healing ability was when he fell off the school roof with Sylar; he didn't even know he had that ability when he used it. Likewise, when Sylar drove a piece of glass into his brain, Peter was technically dead for a good while, probably an hour or more. When he healed after the glass was removed, I don't see how that could be considered anything but reflexive. Finally, this season he healed after getting a beating from the Irishmen without even realizing it, which I would again call reflexive.

When the camera panned up out of the grave, it looked like there was a layer of concrete between him and the surface, like the casket was placed in a concrete tomb. Digging through concrete might take a bit longer, although since he's still alive I assume the show runners are keeping him "one ice" for a possible return to the show at a later point.

I thought the "concrete" was simply the color of the casket, though I may be wrong.

I don't think Sylar knows who Adam is, but he would be interested in his ability. (He wanted Claire for this reason.) If he killed Molly, he could take her ability, find Adam and bring him back on the show.

I thought you gave up on this show, or are you just forming opinions from information you're getting from reading these threads? I can't imagine you're one of the people that still enjoys this tripe.

Thank you for finally calling this person out. I have commented in several Heroes threads that we shouldn't expect to then see these folks posting in the threads if the show sucks so much, Mercury&Solace went away for a while, but I guess he just couldn't button his lip nor stop watching. And yet STILL?!?!?! Come on, dude, just stop posting in here. We get it, you f-ing hate the show. Find something else to watch and post about. :rolleyes:

Bravo John. This embarrassment should keep him out of these threads for awhile.

Agree with all of this. I think Micah's cousin was the coolest new hero idea this season, although I wish she was used a bit more efficiently. And I thought Elle was a great character, even if her powers are a bit standard.

Overall I voted this season as a thumbs down. There was some good stuff going on, but all in all there was a lot of wasted screen time of characters and storylines I really couldn't care less about.

I actually think the abbreviated season is going to help this show though. I only stuck around because I knew there was only three more eps left. If this season went a full 22-24 eps, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have come back after the break. And I think a general attrition of viewers would have continued as well.

I'm not ready to give up on the show just yet as I'm sure they could easily bounce back to season 1 quality. They just need to introduce some more intriguing characters, or only use the characters that people care about instead of trying to shoe-horn everyone in.

Considering how everything turned out, there was absolutely no point to the Nikki, Micah's, and Cousin' storyline. It didn't come into play with the overarching story much at all. I agree with those that liked the ability of Micah's cousin, but her ability wasn't used to great affect and the actress playing wasn't that great. I've never found the acting on this show to be exceptional, but she really lacked the ability to make me care about her, regardless of her storyline's importance.

I hope Kring and Co can clear the deck and come back stronger next season.

Tim Kring Explains Heroes' "Generations" Finale
 

http://www.tvguide.com/news/heroes-g...nale/071204-01

Will Nathan (Adrian Pasdar) die by an assassin's bullet? Was Niki (Ali Larter) truly blown to hot, blonde, gorgeous bits? Will Adam (David Anders) spend eternity six feet under? And — say it ain't so! — does badass Elle (Kristen Bell) really have an inner Girl Scout? The Dec. 3 episode of Heroes, the conclusion of the show's second volume "Generations," left us with lots of big questions. Creator and executive producer Tim Kring has the answers. And, whaddya know, he's even sharing some of them!

The fate of Nathan, who was shot during a TV press conference, and of Niki, who may have died in an abandoned building explosion, are "up in the air and will be determined when we come back after the strike," Kring says. "Things are fairly dire for them both." Immortal Adam was teleported by Hiro (Masi Oka) into a coffin buried in the same Japanese cemetery where his father Kaito (George Takei), who was slain by Adam, is also buried. "It's poetic justice to have Adam end up in the same graveyard as Kaito," Kring notes. "We've given the audience no reason to believe that Adam can figure a way to get out of there. The fact that he can live forever makes this the most gruesome of internments. If this happened to any of us, at least we'd know we'd soon have the mercy of death. Not here."

Witchy, bitchy Elle, who wound up saving the lives of Mohinder (Sendhil Ramamurthy), Maya (Dania Ramirez) and little Molly (Adair Tishler), clearly sparked when Mohinder called her a hero. "Kristen Bell gave us the perfect reaction in that scene," Kring says. "For a moment there, Elle sees she's been given an opportunity to use her powers in a good way. And she absolutely likes the sound of that word 'hero.'" Not to worry. There are plenty more baddies coming after the writers' strike concludes. In fact, the title of Volume 3 — "Villains" — says it all.

"We've introduced a cadre of them over the course of the show and we're going to see them rise up," Kring says. "Just as the heroes have found each other to save the world, the villains will do the same with the opposite intent." And their numbers may be legion. "The Company has catalogued many of these people over the years. There may be more of them down in that basement than we have alluded to so far."

Will Sylar (Zachary Quinto) be their ringleader? After being electro-zapped by Elle, Mister Eyebrows escaped to a back alley and skeevily injected himself with Claire's (Hayden Panettiere) blood. Then, in a wicked salute to Popeye, he telekinetically grabbed a can of spinach and said, "I'm back!"

"Sylar getting his power back does not bode well for our heroes," says Kring, who admits there is one upside to the writers' strike: Originally, Quinto was not going to be available for much of Volume 3 because of his commitment to the new Star Trek film. Now, with the strike dragging on, he'll likely be done playing young Spock by the time Heroes returns to production.

Tim Kring will appear on G4's The Post Show on Saturday, Dec. 8, at 11 pm/ET, following a repeat of last night's episode.

Wow, I must be really late to the party. I had no idea that he was going to be Spock. I googled a couple of images, and that just seems....illogical.

Kring is wise to keep his options open in the press, but I certainly hope these characters are dead. I think Nathan has been a pretty damned good character, but I think the best thing for the show to limit the "reset" ability of the Adam/Claire/possibly Peter blood would be to establish that trick only works once for people without the ability. Bring Pasdar in for the flashback episode we know they'll do and show that Peter tried to bring him back but it just didn't work.

anyone checking out the online comics until the show returns?

Whatever the writers originally intended for "Volume 2", it simply didn't work. The plot could have been condensed down to 4 or 5 episodes at most. There was just so much filler and the introduction of ill-conceived characters. I can just see in my mind the network executives telling the writers "the ratings are good but we need to increase the Hispanic demos. Why don't you make Sylar's new love interest Hispanic? And shoehorn some trip through South and Central America into the storyline."

Well, in an ideal situation, I could say something about how since we don't know what Maya's plotline will be, we don't know if the backstory is important or not. It's like the whole Micah/Monica/Nikki storyline. We can't say if Nikki's "death" is important to the storyline yet since we don't know what the consequences will be. Perhaps we'll see Micah and Monicah end up holding a grudge against The Company, since if Nikki hadn't been infected by their virus, she would have had the strength to save Monica, or something like that.

However, I say "an ideal situation", because ideally the show would be run by people who know where they want to take it. Now, I know every show can't be a Babylon 5 (where the show's creator had a vision of the entire storyline from day one), but it'd be nice that if at least the major plot points were thought about at least a couple episodes ahead of time. Stuff like the potential deaths of two characters that have been around since the first episode should be given a little more thought than "we don't even know if we're going to kill them off or not".

While we've had plenty of time with Nikki for her death to mean something, they might have painted themselves into a bit of a corner in regards to Nathan. It seems like they wanted to do something more with him this season than they did. He had lost his family, blames himself for Peter going nuclear, and was generally wracked with guilt (the whole "seeing himself burned in the mirror" thing). However, it was never really explored beyond fighting his burned self in the Maury-implanted dream. Either way, if they leave him dead, his death will feel a bit hollow due to the fact that he was MIA for most of the season, but if they bring him back it'll just feel like a cop-out.

In fairness, I don't think Kring's comments (if they're sincere and not just him trying to avoid giving up the resolution) reflect that they're totally making everything up as they go along. I think they would reflect that the network asked him to write an ending suitable to tie up all stories and he did so in a very short time span right before the WGA went on strike. There probably wasn't all that much time to crank out anything that allowed for contemplation of where the show was going in the broader picture.

I have to agree with this part. They've done it twice now on each season finale, and it's already getting old. Last season it was Sylar, Parkman, DL, Nathan and Peter who were all potentially dead, this season you have Nikki and Nathan, not to mention the death of HRG a few weeks ago which thankfully they didn't drag out.

The "death of a main character" cliffhanger needs to go away on this show.

The death of HRG wasn't a cliffhanger. It was resolved the same episode. The death of Sylar definitely wasn't a cliffhanger. He got dragged away, and I think everyone knew he wasn't dead because of that.

I thought it was pretty obvious Peter wouldn't be dead as well since Ted was never hurt by his own power, so why would he. I will give you Parkman, DL, Nikki, and Nathan though.

I pointed that out in the next paragraph.

Who are the "cadre" of villains they've introduced in the course of the show?

Sylar: still alive and back, though may be hampered by the Star Trek movie
HRG
Elle's "dad"
Parkman's dad
Ma Patrelli

anyone else?


Nikki's probably gone
Illusion girl is probably dead
Mind control girl from season 1 is dead
Linderman is dead
Adam is underground and unlikely to come back for at least a little bit

I mentioned HRG not being dragged out, but the point is they are desensitizing us to what should be the most powerful, emotional act on a television show- the death of a main character.

Claire's resurrection after being impaled through the brain was great since we were still learning her powers. Peter coming back from the same injury was already treading on shaky ground, then to have HRG killed and brought back just made it campy.

We already have regenerative blood that can bring people back from the dead, not to mention Hiro's ability to reset anything by going back in time (although he allegedly won't use his power that way). Character deaths are about as emotional as someone sneezing on this show.

Which is like every comic book there is. No one stays dead. In that way I would say they are staying true to the genre. I do however think the blood transfer thing is stupid and a cheap way to keep people alive. It pretty much makes Linderman's power cheap.

That was the neat thing about Linderman, though. Here was a guy who was planning on destroying a major city, although it was supposedly for the "greater good", and his power is that he can heal. I thought it was a nice contrast to have one of the big villains of the first season to have a non-villainous type of power.

As far as Noah goes, they were in another no-win situation as far as his "death" went. They had mentioned that it was coming way earlier in the season through Isaac's paintings (and as far as I know, the only one of his paintings that hasn't come true has been the NY nuclear explosion), but his resurrection was pretty easy to see coming since we saw Bob taking Claire's blood earlier in the episode.

I guess I've always had an issue with "reset button" storytelling. For instance, a few seasons back on Smallville (I think it was the second or third season finale) a character was seen entering a house that exploded soon afterwards. However, it was your standard situation where we didn't see the character actually get blown to pieces in the explosion, and it was revealed an episode or two later that they were actually rescued by being lead through a hidden tunnel or something similarly stupid.

So, now not only do we have an almost identical situation with Nikki, but we also have the regenerative blood acting as a huge possible reset button. Now, it's possible that they'll introduce some limitations to it. Maybe it doesn't work if someone's been dead for too long, or maybe there's some long-term side effects to being dosed with it. So far, there's been four characters who have taken the blood (Maya, Sylar, Nathan, and Noah), and perhaps we'll see something happen to them later on that will make it so that the blood isn't a magic cure for everything.

Either way, it really does just reinforce what's always bothered me about TV show deaths. I guess that's what I really enjoy about Prison Break. While people tend to have quite a few complaints about the show, I've always thought it was rather well done, and if nothing else, I don't think that anybody can say that they're shy about killing off their characters.

So-

Where's Kaitlin?...