Let me point out before I continue that I hate the way PG and Jaime went about their business.


I can't take Jeff anymore (been saying it for years, but it keeps getting worse). He's so full of shit with his "words of wisdom" about not assuming things. What does that even matter? How does that make what the ladies did stupid? Jeff needs to get over his bitch ass. What Jaime and PG did was smart - for them. It was smart for them, and for Erik, and for the two ex-Zhan Hus over on Fei Long.


But man, those bitches better watch out if James can get word to his Fei Long pals. Maybe Fei Long can kidnap him in the next episode and help him out a bit.

When he said that I was sure that James and Aaron would have immunity for this tribal council. If they did get it, Jeff's "wise words" would have actually made some sense.

I understand why PG and Jamie did what they did. However they should have done it without the sh*tface grin that they had the whole time. It's too bad the producers meddling cost Aaron a chance in this game but they have been doing the unfair switches since Africa.

Anyway, as much as I am rooting against PG and Jamie, I did enjoy PG throwing the art of war and Sun Tzu back at Jeff. You lose the battle to win the war. Jeff needs to stop injecting himself and affecting the game. He had some nasty things to say about PG during the season preview i.e. don't know if she will last long for being bossy, etc. He gets worse and worse each season.

Proof? I want proof where an entire tribe, post-merge, voted along tribal lines until every single one of the other tribe was gone.

I would have been sickened by the whole throwing a challenge deal except that I was already ill from James going on about what a sweet little morsel Denise was *shudder*.

I figure with the amount of dirty river water Jaime was sucking into her enormous pie hole she probably got her just desserts later that night.

And you have to know that Burnett will throw in another twist just to screw up the giggling girls' "strategy."

Tagi "Pagonged" Pagong
Chuay Ghan "Pagonged" Sook Jai
Chapera voted along tribal lines but had to vote out Alicia after Shii Ann won immunity
Casaya did the same thing with Terry winning all those immunities

I was thinking the exact same thing.

It was and it wasn't good strategy. First of all, it's risky. If I recall, there was at least one season where no merge at all occurred. If it doesn't occur, PG and Jaime just shot themselves in the foot. Second of all, while I understand the strategy from a logical standpoint, to giggle and be smug about it is going to paint a big red target on your back when people find out about it and it goes to a merge. You might as well scream, "DON'T EVER TRUST ME!!!" And that is BAD strategy.

Couple of twists that the Survivor producers could throw in there to satisfy the TV audience in wanting revenge on PG and Jaime:
1) Next week, do the switch AGAIN. Theoretically, Frosti and Sherea would go back. But then James and probably Erik would go over to the other side. Then, don't have a merge this season. The only person I would feel sorry for would be Frosti.

2) Just don't merge at all. Watch as Jamie, and PG squrim as to how to vote each other off because they can no longer win immunity challenges without James.

3) Fix it so James gets the hidden immunity idol. Hehe...you can imagine all the possible scenarios here.

I'd pay fifty bucks to see that happen.

I checked on those. It definitely happened in the first 2 you mentioned, but that was in 2 of the first 4 seasons. The third, an all-star edition, is not true. The fourth happened, except for Terry.

So, in 14 seasons, it has happened 3 times, and only once in the last 10 seasons. Those are pretty crappy odds. I don't think a 10-20% chance of something happening is a good bet and worth throwing a challenge. Plus, those were strong, unified tribes. Pei Wei's tribe is hardly either. Sherea is likely to bolt the first chance she gets and I doubt Frosti will approve of them throwing a challenge. My opinion stands, they are stupid.

And you are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is. Basically your whole argument is more about them admiting to throwing the challenge than actually throwing it. Which yes was a stupid thing to do. But its still just plain retarded not wanna go in 5-5 even if theres a good chance they are gonna turn on each other before all 5 of the others are gone. Nothing in this game is guaranteed one way or the other so all you can do is put the odds in your favor and going into a merge 5-5 gives you a much better chance of getting to the end than going in 7-3.

… Spend a day in Canada… DURING WINTER!!!

I’m not happy that Aaron got voted off, but I’m glad Mr. “I Bury People” isn’t gone.

I liked when James got really angry at P G back at camp after losing the challenge. He’s right, she didn’t need to answer Jeff’s question. I don’t get why Jaime & P G throw the challenge; it just doesn’t make any sense to me at all. On a side note, Jaime was looking extremely fine this episode & when she makes her angry/serious face, yum!

James talking about if the school lunch lady was ten year younger, or if he was ten years older, they’d have something “goin’ on!” was pretty funny.

This was the first episode that I didn’t mind Jean-Robert; he wasn’t terribly annoying.

back to Palau

That is your opinion. I wouldn't be concerned so much about numbers as I would about manipulating people at any given point in the game and adapting to each change. And my argument wasn't about them admitting it. I think it was stupid anyway whether or not they admitted it.

It's not that big a deal to me, but how do you figure it didn't happen on All-Stars?

Rupert and Jenna were originally on Saboga, but they were 100% Chapera once Boston Rob pulled them into the fold. He had all the Chapera members thinking they were his number 2 and they pretty much did whatever he said. The only reason Amber stayed after that bizarre switch thing was because Kathy and Lex thought Rob was their true friend, and Kathy feared his wrath if they got rid of Amber. Once the merge happened, all the original Mogo Mogos were dead in the water. Shii Ann saved herself a couple days with the immunity she won, but was voted off as soon as she was eligible.

cdollaz is conveniently ignoring Vanuatu, where the women voted off Rory, Sarge and Chad in a row before turning on each other. Palau doesn't even really count, considering Ulong was already decimated. Chances are, Koror would have voted them off if they had the chance.

the big train is also right about All Stars.

I'm not ignoring shit. They voted off those 3 men but didn't vote off the eventual winner. Read my original comment. I asked for examples where one tribe voted off EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the other tribe. As for all stars, the final 6 were made up of members from all 3 original tribes.

I'm tired of this stupid argument. I think it was a stupid move and you do not. We will see what happens.

Can anyone point out a bigger bitch in Survivor history than Erik?

I'd be furious if I were him that I busted my balls trying to get all those puzzle pieces from the water just to find out that his "alliance" was throwing the challenge. He had a golden opporitunity to boot PG and jump ship and making an alliance with the strongest survivors. I want to say he was thinking with his penis but after seeing how he just gave in to PG and Jaime, I don't think he has a set to think with. Which also explains why he's a virgin. I might be on to something here.

Big Mistake by the dumbass twins to vote off Aaron instead of James. Aaron caved as soon as he figured out what was going on. James on the other hand will try to fuck with the girls. I hope theres a kidnapping and he snags the immunity idol. It would obviously lead to Erik being voted out, which will probably lead to him crying and writing a poem about it.

With that said I can't really hate on PG and Jaimes move. Throwing the challenge made sense they just didn't pull it off very well. They could have been more discreet about it and not admitted it. That puts a huge target on their back and Eriks too by association. I hope the other tribe figures out what happened so Frosti and/or Sherea could jump alliances. Next week might be James' last week but I hope he goes out with a bang. He should tell the other tribe what happened, he should throw the reward challenge, and rip into PG and Jaime as much as possible. I hope he finds a way to single handedly win the immunity challenge next week.

The problem with "this stupid argument" is that you're trying to tell me Peih-Gee and Jaime should have taken the chance and rolled the dice on the off chance that one of the 5 original Zhan Hu members might beat the odds and make it past the other tribe to be the Sole Survivor. That makes no sense. A game like Survivor is a numbers game. Congratulations if you rock at immunity challenges or somehow convince the other tribe to keep you around, but most people view those as last resorts.

Yeah, but what possible benefit was it to Erik to vote out one of his strongest allies to "align" with two guys that weren't even aligned with each other. Aaron has said point blank in his interviews that he would have fully gone back to his old alliances once the tribes merged. Erik would not have had any place in that alliance (except possibly at the bottom of the totem pole), and his athleticism would have made him an easy early target.

The Pei Gee/Jaime plan has great risk, but even if it fails Erik is not really in any worse position that he would have been previously. Plus, even if it's a colossal bust and the three of them have to go to tribal council Erik and Jaime probably vote out Pei Gee.

Ian

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not even close

I think the problem with that is they didn't talk it over with the tribe first. They might now have bigger targets on there heads than James. Also the two people that went over to the other tribe might makes stronger ties over there just guaranteed none of them will make it to the end of the game. How do they know their former team mates will still be their team mates when the merge happens?

Aside from having the kidnappees switch back, here are a couple of other ways the producers might institute some damage control:

(1) Have a "second-chance" elimination bringing back those voted off & having them compete in a challenge (they've done this before, although I hated it).

(2) Have the next immunity challenge be a physical challenge (relay, etc.), but specify that the team member with the best results (time, throwing distance, number of pots broken, etc.) is immune from the vote that night.

I really hope that next episode begins with James getting back to the camp and just going nuts. Chucking the rice in the river, tearing down the shelter, hiding the water pot and then basically say ok fuckers, now lets see you fend for yourselves. That would be pretty great.