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Old 10-02-07 | 06:47 PM
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Except that "bad Claire" would probably actually act like "bad Claire" instead of just having the good Claire keep saying she's bad, because Hayden can actually act.
Old 10-02-07 | 07:09 PM
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Has anyone mentioned Pa Petrelli as the boogyman? Seems obvious to me. In season one, one of the first references that I remember of Pa Petrelli is that he had a falling out with someone for some reason. Then he's never mentioned afterwards.

Seems too good a seed to plant and not use later on. If they use it another way, kudos to the writers for the patience and investment across multiple seasons.

Of course, I could be misremembering things as I watched season one a long time ago.
Old 10-02-07 | 07:12 PM
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Supposedly, the patriarch of the Petrelli family is dead.
Old 10-02-07 | 07:13 PM
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Claire's toe can't grow into a full Claire, bad or otherwise - it doesn't have her brain. Apparently the only way to kill her is to detach her brain from her body, but I'm not sure how that works now unless you destroy the brain itself since it could, in theory, regrow her whole body around itself.
Old 10-02-07 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
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Does anyone else think it's a little convenient that Mohinder and Claire's dad are just chatting away on cell phones about how they're going to take down the company? After Claire's dad got tricked by the shape shifter last season, you'd think he'd be more careful than to chat on the phone so brazenly.

Also, I'm really not looking forward to having Sylar back. He was a good villain for the first season, but I was so glad to see him die. My least favorite thing about comic books is when they bring people back from the dead, and here they're doing it with a character who's too powerful to actually be interesting. Hopefully they strip him of most of his stolen abilities or something.
Although they pretty much made Peter in to a character that's too powerful too, albeit artificially limiting him by this whole amnesia thing. And oddly enough, I want to see him kick all sorts of ass. Funny how that works, as I sort of agree about leaving Sylar out
Old 10-02-07 | 07:56 PM
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The symbol was on Kensai's banner htingy wasn't it? So it's definately an old symbol.

Originally Posted by shoppingbear
Did anyone else notice that when the cops asked Ando what the symbol was on the photo of Hiro's dad, Ando said something about it being the symbol of Hiro's Dad's company? Or was that when Mrs. Patrelli was in the police station, and they asked her if she knew what the symbol was? It was also in the little girl's drawings, and now it's on Peter's necklace. If Hiro's Dad used it for his company, it must not be new, but now the boogeyman is using it to "mark" his victims? He HAS to be the one the little girl is so scared of.



You saw him use a pass-through power to get through the ropes, and you saw him have a super-strength he hadn't previously had. I thought those were BOTH plot advancements: he was only around Nikki and her hubby for a few minutes before he exploded, and that was FOUR MONTHS prior. It really seemed like his ability to absorb other powers was much stronger this ep.
Old 10-02-07 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bwvanh114
Has anyone mentioned Pa Petrelli as the boogyman? Seems obvious to me. In season one, one of the first references that I remember of Pa Petrelli is that he had a falling out with someone for some reason. Then he's never mentioned afterwards.

Seems too good a seed to plant and not use later on. If they use it another way, kudos to the writers for the patience and investment across multiple seasons.

Of course, I could be misremembering things as I watched season one a long time ago.
In the online novel, Pa Petrelli has no special power. He's a normal human.
Old 10-02-07 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mopower
The Boogey Man is...
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Simone's father.
completely agree.

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I also don't think Simone is dead. My guess it's going to turn out that Simone and her father were playing the other families against eachother to see who they could wipe out. It was never explained what her dad's power actually was, just that he could interact with Peter in dreams. Which he does after he's supposed to be dead towards the end of last season. You assume he's having a dream like Mohinder, but it's dream with a very alive Charles talking to him. If he's some sort of all knowing telepath (Charles as in...Xavier?), that would explain how he got his wealth certainly, and explain why he's a floating pair of eyes, as he could be everywhere. And IF he was truly dying as they said, why wouldn't Linderman heal him? Unless he was afraid of him. And since dad clearly had a power of some sort, he is in the inner circle from what Peter saw last season, it's VERY much possible Simone did/does as well. I think Charles is the one who has Sylar after the manhole escape. In the only Sylar footage shown so far from this season, they show Sylar on a beach wearing an Hawaiian shirt and resting on a sunbed, He turns to a woman (I guess) and says:.'none of this is real.' My guess is Charles has Sylar in a dream state.


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Not only all of that but apparently he doesn't have to actively remember the people he got the powers from to use them since, apparently, he can't remember them anyway.
But what if his power doesn't have anything to do with remembering the powers? What if all the powers are already in him and the memory thing is just a crutch for his mind to access them? Now, with no memory, he can access anything, which explains the new powers. But when his memory returns, he goes back to being one-power-at-a-time Peter. It gives the writers the chance to have a super character who's an ultimate badass for a short period of time. When it becomes too much, he gets hims memory back, and a power downgrade. Then again, I thought it would have been cool if Isaac wasn't actually seeing the future and painting it, but seeing a version of the future and making it happen by painting it. At somepoint, someone will go back to Isaac's loft and in the junk find a couple of paintings of Isaac's body regenerating and walking away after Sylar killing him, only to turn around and find an evil Isaac smiling at them.

Originally Posted by kaze0
The symbol was on Kensai's banner htingy wasn't it? So it's definately an old symbol.
The symbol also appears on papa Suresh's computer program.

BTW, anyone notice in last years "Six Months Later," Sylar's watchmaker shop is
"Gray and Sons?" This could be because it's the old family business, or Sylar could have a brother we haven't seen.

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Old 10-02-07 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Linn1
But what if his power doesn't have anything to do with remembering the powers? What if all the powers are already in him and the memory thing is just a crutch for his mind to access them? Now, with no memory, he can access anything, which explains the new powers. But when his memory returns, he goes back to being one-power-at-a-time Peter. It gives the writers the chance to have a super character who's an ultimate badass for a short period of time. When it becomes too much, he gets hims memory back, and a power downgrade. Then again, I thought it would have been cool if Isaac wasn't actually seeing the future and painting it, but seeing a version of the future and making it happen by painting it. At somepoint, someone will go back to Isaac's loft and in the junk find a couple of paintings of Isaac's body regenerating and walking away after Sylar killing him, only to turn around and find an evil Isaac smiling at them.
I gotta tell you, I saw Smallville do this too often and I gave that show up primarily because it just never went anywhere. If they do that same thing here with Peter, I don't know how I'll respond. Luckily there's more to Heroes than hoping Chloe is up to something good.
Old 10-02-07 | 11:44 PM
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I might be crazy I guess and I really thought I would have seen somebody else post this thought but does anyone else think that....

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Kensei=Linderman. To me the actor playing Kensei looks, acts and sort of speaks like Malcolm McDowell. Also Linderman had the power of healing and with this power he could have stayed alive all these years.


Sorry if I missed an earlier post pointing this out.
Old 10-02-07 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chipmac
I might be crazy I guess and I really thought I would have seen somebody else post this thought but does anyone else think that....

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Kensei=Linderman. To me the actor playing Kensei looks, acts and sort of speaks like Malcolm McDowell. Also Linderman had the power of healing and with this power he could have stayed alive all these years.


Sorry if I missed an earlier post pointing this out.

I had that thought as well, but the online comics have shown that Linderman was a young man during the vietnam war, where he served with Pa Petrelli.
Old 10-02-07 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chipmac
I might be crazy I guess and I really thought I would have seen somebody else post this thought but does anyone else think that....

Spoiler:
Kensei=Linderman. To me the actor playing Kensei looks, acts and sort of speaks like Malcolm McDowell. Also Linderman had the power of healing and with this power he could have stayed alive all these years.


Sorry if I missed an earlier post pointing this out.
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Linderman had the ability to heal others... not himself, otherwise he wouldn't be so dead.
Old 10-02-07 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CKMorpheus
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Linderman had the ability to heal others... not himself, otherwise he wouldn't be so dead.
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Well he did have his brains blown out and a stick in the brain stopped Clair from reviving. Right now I'm sticking with it until more than the online comics show otherwise.
Old 10-03-07 | 01:41 AM
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Better than last weeks but I am another one who things that the pacing and writing are a bit off from last season. Could this be because Bryan Fuller is not involved? How much did he really have to do with the storylines last year?
Old 10-03-07 | 02:30 AM
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You would think Claire would have the regeneration thing figured out after she burnt off her face and chest last year.
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Originally Posted by chipmac
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Well he did have his brains blown out and a stick in the brain stopped Clair from reviving. Right now I'm sticking with it until more than the online comics show otherwise.
I think it's a good theory. My guess is that

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One point of this generations storyline is that we're going to find out that there are multiple people with the same or similar powers. I think it's entirely possible that Claire has the same power as Linderman/Kensei and she just hasn't tapped into the part that allows her to heal others. I think they didn't have DL take out a good bit of Linderman brain for nothing.
Old 10-03-07 | 08:30 AM
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Actually,

Originally Posted by Jimmy James
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One point of this generations storyline is that we're going to find out that there are multiple people with the same or similar powers. I think it's entirely possible that Claire has the same power as Linderman/Kensei and she just hasn't tapped into the part that allows her to heal others. I think they didn't have DL take out a good bit of Linderman brain for nothing.
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The writers have said in an interview a few months back that characters will have the same powers.
Old 10-03-07 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mosquitobite


Zuffy, who is Claude?

and my random thoughts and notes

*Krieg has said Claire's mother will be back for season 2.

*Did the invisible man actually die?

*Is "the company" related to Linderman/Hiro's dad/Ma Petrelli?

*The older generation "mutants" vs humans (the company?) (thus possibly the reason the older generation wanted the explosion to happen in NY?)
You may want to rewatch Season 1...this was all covered then. Linderman was funding the company, Hiro's dad was a member of it, and Petrelli/Hiro's dad were involved in some form. Claude isn't dead...he was helping Peter for a few episodes, then vanished when the Haitian/Mr. Bennet came after them.

Originally Posted by shoppingbear
Did anyone else notice that when the cops asked Ando what the symbol was on the photo of Hiro's dad, Ando said something about it being the symbol of Hiro's Dad's company? Or was that when Mrs. Patrelli was in the police station, and they asked her if she knew what the symbol was? It was also in the little girl's drawings, and now it's on Peter's necklace. If Hiro's Dad used it for his company, it must not be new, but now the boogeyman is using it to "mark" his victims? He HAS to be the one the little girl is so scared of.
No. Ando stated the Japanese meaning ('great power'). Mrs. Petrelli stated it was the symbol of her husband's law firm/company.

Originally Posted by bwvanh114
Has anyone mentioned Pa Petrelli as the boogyman? Seems obvious to me. In season one, one of the first references that I remember of Pa Petrelli is that he had a falling out with someone for some reason. Then he's never mentioned afterwards.
He was mentioned a lot. He's dead...killed himself.
Old 10-03-07 | 11:07 AM
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He was mentioned a lot. He's dead...killed himself.
I need to rewatch season one... I don't remember that at all.
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Claire's toe can't grow into a full Claire, bad or otherwise - it doesn't have her brain. Apparently the only way to kill her is to detach her brain from her body, but I'm not sure how that works now unless you destroy the brain itself since it could, in theory, regrow her whole body around itself.
Maybe she's a Sil?
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BTW, anyone notice in last years "Six Months Later," Sylar's watchmaker shop is "Gray and Sons?" This could be because it's the old family business, or Sylar could have a brother we haven't seen.
I wonder if The Batman episode called Seconds refers to this Heroes episode.
Old 10-03-07 | 02:21 PM
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Like Jessica/Nikki's story last year did?

I liked that story last year plus Ali Larter is great eye candy.

I liked tonights epsode, not great but was pretty good. The voices were way off when I watched it on TV though, started normal but by the end it was like watching a poorly dubbed godzilla flick.
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Originally Posted by chipmac
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Well he did have his brains blown out and a stick in the brain stopped Clair from reviving. Right now I'm sticking with it until more than the online comics show otherwise.
it's been pretty much established that the online comics are considered canon for the Heroes universe. I agree that it's annoying as hell.
Old 10-03-07 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Also, I'm really not looking forward to having Sylar back. He was a good villain for the first season, but I was so glad to see him die. My least favorite thing about comic books is when they bring people back from the dead, and here they're doing it with a character who's too powerful to actually be interesting. Hopefully they strip him of most of his stolen abilities or something.
What made you think that Sylar died? Seems to me we saw a bloody trail from where he fell leading to an open manhole cover. Doesn't at all mean he died.
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Yeah, Sylar is not dead.


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