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Old 08-14-07 | 08:00 PM
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That is why I never liked the sitcom Frasier, because the way they changed his character back into what he was like at the beginning. To me it did not make sense

Do you mean within the show "Frasier" itself? Or from "Cheers" to "Frasier" there was a change?


Either way, it can't stack up to his father's character arc, who went from being a dead scientist on Cheers, to a retired cop on Frasier. Now that's drama!
Old 08-14-07 | 08:20 PM
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The cast of Friends changed throughout the serie. The guys became wussier and gayer and the girls became tougher and stronger (not physically).
Old 08-14-07 | 09:41 PM
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The cast of Friends changed throughout the serie. The guys became wussier and gayer and the girls became tougher and stronger (not physically).
And Joey and Phoepe became dumber and dumber. I'm pretty sure they were bordering on mental retardation by the time the show wrapped up.
Old 08-14-07 | 09:46 PM
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The cast of Friends changed throughout the serie. The guys became wussier and gayer and the girls became tougher and stronger (not physically).
And Ross became a whiny girl after his marraige with Emily didn't work out.
Old 08-14-07 | 10:45 PM
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The cast of Seinfeld weren't complete a**holes in the first 2 or 3 seasons. Julia LD. wasn't as grating as she would be in later seasons.
Kramer went from a weird guy that had no friends and never left the building to sort of a ladies man that had different girlfriends from time to time and also supposedly hung out with people other than Jerry, George and Elaine even though those people were never seen. His schemes also got weirder and weirder as time went on.

George started out as just a total loser who couldn't do anything right but was fairly harmless. As time went on he became really coniving and wasn't quite as much of a loser because he was at least able to hold jobs for a while and get girls from time to time.

Elaine started off not having much of a romantic life. She hardly ever dated. As the show went on she dated a new guy every week. She also started out farily sweet but became extremely mean-spirited as the show went on.

Jerry stayed the same throughout the show.
Old 08-15-07 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sjrab16
That is why I never liked the sitcom Frasier, because the way they changed his character back into what he was like at the beginning. To me it did not make sense
I'm not a fan either. The show is definitely funny, but I really didn't like what they did to our beloved character from Cheers. He went from a beer swilling bud you'd have a laugh with at the local pub(Cheers) to a stuck up rich snob over night who wouldn't even go into a bar with his dad(Frasier).

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Old 08-15-07 | 09:10 AM
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Kramer went from a weird guy that had no friends and never left the building to sort of a ladies man that had different girlfriends from time to time and also supposedly hung out with people other than Jerry, George and Elaine even though those people were never seen. His schemes also got weirder and weirder as time went on.

George started out as just a total loser who couldn't do anything right but was fairly harmless. As time went on he became really coniving and wasn't quite as much of a loser because he was at least able to hold jobs for a while and get girls from time to time.

Elaine started off not having much of a romantic life. She hardly ever dated. As the show went on she dated a new guy every week. She also started out farily sweet but became extremely mean-spirited as the show went on.

Jerry stayed the same throughout the show.
And TV Guide named it the greatest TV show of all time?

Of course this is from the same list that named 60 minutes the 6th greatest TV show of all time & having Letterman higher on the list than Carson so…

I like Seinfeld now but the episodes that I first saw were the later seasons where Elaine was just plain out mean. It still bugs me why so many people hold the show in a holy-like status but I do appreciate the originality (not as original as people claim it too be) of Seinfeld.

I always found Kramer to be the likeable character on Seinfeld & that’s probably the reason why I found Seinfeld funny. Michael Richards may have some anger problems but damn is he great at doing slapstick comedy. Jerry Stiller is the gem on Seinfeld. He gets more of a chance to shine on The King of Queens though, which is probably why I enjoy the KOQ’s more.
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Every single frackin' character on DAMAGES sometimes within the same episode.
Old 08-15-07 | 03:14 PM
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Aqua Teen Hungerforce went from actually attempting to be detectives to... just being ATHF
Old 08-16-07 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Doc Moonlight
Every single frackin' character on DAMAGES sometimes within the same episode.
Disagree completely. Care to offer examples?
Old 08-16-07 | 12:12 PM
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Wesley - Buffy & Angel (transformed on Angel though)

Cordelia - Buffy & Agnel (transformed mostly on Angel, but change quite a bit in ways on Buffy too)

Willow - Buffy

Spike - Buffy & Angel

Faith - Buffy & Angel

Logan Echols - Veronica Mars

Gabrielle - Xena (couldn't fight worth a lick compared to Xena at first and by the end she was a badass.)

Lex Luthor - Smallville

Beavis & Butthead (the voices and stuff like that anyway. lol.)
Old 08-16-07 | 12:25 PM
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Disagree completely. Care to offer examples?
I was being facetious about the tendency to have characters appear "good" one minute and "bad" the next. Wasn't really serious.
Old 08-16-07 | 03:06 PM
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Bobby Ewing -- he went from dead to being a wet dream.
Old 08-16-07 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc Moonlight
I was being facetious about the tendency to have characters appear "good" one minute and "bad" the next. Wasn't really serious.
No problem. To be fair, that sort of thing is pretty standard on FX dramas.
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How come no one has said Homer Simpson?!!

He used to be pretty average in the smarts and a decent father before he became a bubbling idiot in the "What wacky thing will Homer do this week" show.
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Originally Posted by nateman241

I like Seinfeld now but the episodes that I first saw were the later seasons where Elaine was just plain out mean. It still bugs me why so many people hold the show in a holy-like status but I do appreciate the originality (not as original as people claim it too be) of Seinfeld.


That's probably because you are about 14 years late to the party. If you watched Seinfeld in its original run you would think differently. Nearly every comedy in the past 10 years owes something to Seinfeld whether you believe it or not. The show was way ahead of the curve at the time which is why it took three seasons before it caught on.
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Blackadder from Series 1 to Series 2. It was done on purpose by the writers
Old 08-17-07 | 07:12 AM
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That's probably because you are about 14 years late to the party. If you watched Seinfeld in its original run you would think differently. Nearly every comedy in the past 10 years owes something to Seinfeld whether you believe it or not. The show was way ahead of the curve at the time which is why it took three seasons before it caught on.
True.

I noticed that on Will & Grace, Grace does the same thing as Elaine does, by going “get out” & trying to tap the other person who told her something shocking, but she hits way too hard. There were good comedies before Seinfeld though. Plus, even if every comedy, as you say, owes something to Seinfeld, sometimes the show that rips-it-off does it better.
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How come no one has said Homer Simpson?!!

He used to be pretty average in the smarts and a decent father before he became a bubbling idiot in the "What wacky thing will Homer do this week" show.
Homer changed a lot during The Simpsons. His voice in the first season was even different. I actually liked the semi smart & sensitive (to a point) Homer more than the idiot Homer who is a selfish idiot who isn’t sensitive all that often.

I still like Homer but I don’t like his current status quite as much.
Old 08-17-07 | 09:00 AM
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Drew Careys brother on the Drew Carey show?
Old 08-17-07 | 11:14 AM
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Blackadder from Series 1 to Series 2. It was done on purpose by the writers

They're two different guys from two different centuries.

Anyway, my contribution would be Nog from Star TrekS9. In his first scene in the pilot, he's being dragged away to Starfleet's equivalent of juvie court for looting. In the last episode he's a Starfleet Lieutenant with a penchant for discipline.
Old 08-17-07 | 11:46 AM
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I'm not a fan either. The show is definitely funny, but I really didn't like what they did to our beloved character from Cheers. He went from a beer swilling bud you'd have a laugh with at the local pub(Cheers) to a stuck up rich snob over night who wouldn't even go into a bar with his dad(Frasier).
I think it made a lot of sense if you look at his entire character arc, including the flashbacks to childhood. His intense brotherly competition with Niles to always be a little smarter, a little more snobbish, more socially elite permeates throughout the character's entire history. Away from his family, and especially his brother, changed him in Boston. A failed marriage and a return to that competition snapped him back to where he was before he left Seattle---because it was what he knew and what he was comfortable with.

If you remember the time Woody comes to visit Seattle, Frasier eventually found out he no longer has anything in common with him (and maybe his former self?) anymore.

But, that's all just IMO.
Old 08-17-07 | 11:49 AM
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i think i have the winner...
cory's brother on boy meets world.
in the beginning he was the cool older brother.
at the end he was practically the same age as cory and was weird and dumb.
Old 08-17-07 | 12:57 PM
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i think i have the winner...
cory's brother on boy meets world.
in the beginning he was the cool older brother.
at the end he was practically the same age as cory and was weird and dumb.
And Shawn went from cool but stupid guy to intelectual poet. Topanga went from hippy daughter girl to hot, sweet and loyal girlfriend.

Uncle Jesse from Full House went from biker dude to married guy with 2 kids.

Charlie in Lost went from junkie to nice clean guy who care for Claire and the baby.
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I think it made a lot of sense if you look at his entire character arc, including the flashbacks to childhood. His intense brotherly competition with Niles to always be a little smarter, a little more snobbish, more socially elite permeates throughout the character's entire history. Away from his family, and especially his brother, changed him in Boston. A failed marriage and a return to that competition snapped him back to where he was before he left Seattle---because it was what he knew and what he was comfortable with.

If you remember the time Woody comes to visit Seattle, Frasier eventually found out he no longer has anything in common with him (and maybe his former self?) anymore.

But, that's all just IMO.
I was going to post something similar.
Old 08-17-07 | 02:19 PM
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I was going to say Kramer from Seinfeld, but he was already mentioned.

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