High School Musical 2
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Originally Posted by talemyn
Only part of what you are saying is true, Chris.
Yes, kids are maturing physically faster than they used to. Yes, societal pressures are pushing them to dress and act in a more mature manner at an earlier age. And, yes, they are being forced to deal with more adult issues before they've reached adulthood.
However, they are not mentally and emotionally maturing any faster than they used to. In fact, the majority of research (psychological, sociological, and medical) indicates that the mental and emotional maturing process has actually slowed down to the point that people are starting to mature out of their adolescent stage as late as their mid-to-late twenties (specialists have even added a third stage of adolescence to their classifications, as a result).
The problem that this causes is when adults see outer signs (physical and behavioral) of "adulthood" in teenagers and start treating them like adults before they are mentally and emotionally ready to handle it. Depending on what's involved in the specific situation, this can actually have some pretty powerful negative impacts on their development, including severe long-term emotional issues.
So, no . . . there is nothing inherently wrong with physical attraction to a physically appealing attributes. However, there is a lot of potential danger attached to anything past that when the person in question is not mature enough to handle it.
Yes, kids are maturing physically faster than they used to. Yes, societal pressures are pushing them to dress and act in a more mature manner at an earlier age. And, yes, they are being forced to deal with more adult issues before they've reached adulthood.
However, they are not mentally and emotionally maturing any faster than they used to. In fact, the majority of research (psychological, sociological, and medical) indicates that the mental and emotional maturing process has actually slowed down to the point that people are starting to mature out of their adolescent stage as late as their mid-to-late twenties (specialists have even added a third stage of adolescence to their classifications, as a result).
The problem that this causes is when adults see outer signs (physical and behavioral) of "adulthood" in teenagers and start treating them like adults before they are mentally and emotionally ready to handle it. Depending on what's involved in the specific situation, this can actually have some pretty powerful negative impacts on their development, including severe long-term emotional issues.
So, no . . . there is nothing inherently wrong with physical attraction to a physically appealing attributes. However, there is a lot of potential danger attached to anything past that when the person in question is not mature enough to handle it.
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Originally Posted by mrpayroll
Why can't most men admit that they are attracted to someone who is 16 or 17 years old, especially when they look and act so much like an adult? Young women grow up so much faster today and look a lot older than the young women of 20 or 30 years ago. Society is forcing them to grow up faster than they should and then society says that we cannot say they are 'hot', when in fact they are.
btw...your argument is sorta creepy. Just thought I'd point out the (underaged?) elephant in the room.
*edit*
I did this before I read tally's response...which I agree with.
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Last edited by NotThatGuy; 08-24-07 at 11:21 PM.
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Originally Posted by mrpayroll
Instead of attacking me, why can't one or all of you just put me on 'ignore'? It really won't hurt my feelings.
Chris
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It's not good and it's not alright. These are the people we should protect. they need our help not our dick. They need to look to a future that has hope and all the world to win. Not something that shames all of us.
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Good Lord, what have I wrought? I think the bitchy, rich girl played by a 22 year old is cute but maybe I should have kept it to myself after all...
Hey, anyone see how amazing Michelle Pfeiffer looked in Stardust? I can't believe she's really fifty. Who's with me?
Hey, anyone see how amazing Michelle Pfeiffer looked in Stardust? I can't believe she's really fifty. Who's with me?
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Cloris Leachman.
Anyways, I don't know what happened to this thread. I wanted to say that I had an HSM2 viewing party with my 34 year old sister, her husband, HIS friend, and my 6 year old niece. I'm 25. We all left our "cheese-meter" at the door and all enjoyed it a ton.
I've been listening the soundtrack all week, and frankly, can't get enough of it!! Weird, cause I am pretty into classic rock and emo :P lol
My neice's buddy Isaac has a crush on Gabriella (who is 18) and I thought to myself, "kinda creepy that a 1st grader and I both have a crush on the same girl." WTF do I make of that? haha.
Anyways, I don't know what happened to this thread. I wanted to say that I had an HSM2 viewing party with my 34 year old sister, her husband, HIS friend, and my 6 year old niece. I'm 25. We all left our "cheese-meter" at the door and all enjoyed it a ton.
I've been listening the soundtrack all week, and frankly, can't get enough of it!! Weird, cause I am pretty into classic rock and emo :P lol
My neice's buddy Isaac has a crush on Gabriella (who is 18) and I thought to myself, "kinda creepy that a 1st grader and I both have a crush on the same girl." WTF do I make of that? haha.
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Originally Posted by Decker
Hard to believe, but the first soundtrack was the best selling CD of 2006. I bet the soundtrack of this one moves over 1 million units this week alone.
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Originally Posted by Decker
Good Lord, what have I wrought? I think the bitchy, rich girl played by a 22 year old is cute but maybe I should have kept it to myself after all...
Hey, anyone see how amazing Michelle Pfeiffer looked in Stardust? I can't believe she's really fifty. Who's with me?
Hey, anyone see how amazing Michelle Pfeiffer looked in Stardust? I can't believe she's really fifty. Who's with me?

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Originally Posted by Brent_MN
I wanted to say that I had an HSM2 viewing party with my 34 year old sister, her husband, HIS friend, and my 6 year old niece. I'm 25. We all left our "cheese-meter" at the door and all enjoyed it a ton.
Alex Trebek: What? No. No, no, that is......?
Sean Connery: Gussy it up however you want, Trebek. What matters is does it work? Will it really Meter my Cheese, man?
Alex Trebek: It's not a product, Mr. Connery.
Sean Connery: Because I've ordered devices like that before - wasted a pretty penny, I don't mind telling you. And if The Cheese-Meter works, I'll order a dozen.
Alex Trebek: It's not a Cheese-Meter, Mr. Connery. There's no such thing!
Nicholas Cage: Wait, wait, wait.. are you selling Cheese-Meters?
Alex Trebek: No! No, I'm not.
Sean Connery: Well, you're sitting on a gold mine, Trebek!
Originally Posted by Brent_MN
My neice's buddy Isaac has a crush on Gabriella (who is 18) and I thought to myself, "kinda creepy that a 1st grader and I both have a crush on the same girl." WTF do I make of that? haha.
Nah....just kidding, Gabriella is hot...though born in Dec 1988?!!! (I just checked IMDB)
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Originally Posted by Preacher
Why do so many of your posts have the "is she young enough vibe" that is so horrifyingly consistant? Young and tan and friendly is good. But after a point you seem to be trolling for support. Sorry, but my preteen detector is set to "Get the fuck out of here you pedophile."
Runs consistantly. Nickel cadmium batteries and all.
It's not good and it's not alright. These are the people we should protect. they need our help not our dick. They need to look to a future that has hope and all the world to win. Not something that shames all of us.
Runs consistantly. Nickel cadmium batteries and all.
It's not good and it's not alright. These are the people we should protect. they need our help not our dick. They need to look to a future that has hope and all the world to win. Not something that shames all of us.
Seriously though, where in this thread have I mentioned anything about pre-teens, other than HSM2 being perfect for them?
I find it interesting that the majority of people that took offense to my honest statements of fact, (why is it okay to lust after someone who just turned 18, but the day before their 18th birthday it is not okay? - That is hypocritcal to me) that those persons first posts in this thread were attacking me? At least talemyn posted a thoughtful rebuttal to my statement.
At least my first post in this thread was about the movie, who it was geared towards, it's ratings & how much money it would make for Disney.
And in responding to Decker's comment:
And if I was certain Ashley Tisdale was over 18, I might admit she's pretty hot as well.
Back in 1982 when I saw Phoebe Cates in 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' my mouth dropped open because she was so beautiful. She was 18 at the time, but playing a 16 or 17 year old (??). Was I 'creepy' for thinking that? And am I still creepy now for thinking she was incredibly hot back then? And she is still hot!

Is the real problem because of my age (46)? What if I were an 18 year old making these comments, would it be okay with all of you?
At least I can be honest when I say that I'm attracted to younger women (20's & 30's), not just physically, but emotionally and we have more things in common. All of my friends are in their 20's & 30's. I have very little in common with most people my age. They've pretty much given up on life, don't like to have fun, are not physically fit and not fun to be around.
I like to have fun and do whatever I can to make sure my friends are happy. Whether it's video games, music, movies, hiking, etc.
I've been going to raves here in LA recently. The average age of the people going there? Probably early to mid 20's. I don't go to raves because there are a lot of young people there. I got # 1 for the energy of the music and # 2 for the energy of the crowd. It just so happens that younger people like the kind of music that I like (Euro House & Alternative). Does this make me creepy?
Chris
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Originally Posted by pedagogue
Yes.
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So, because I have loved a certain type of music (techno) since 1991, and just because I've become 16 years older since then, it makes me creepy to go to those type of dances?
I guess you would want to put all of us 'old' people in homes by the time we're 40?
This is the exact thing that I'm talking about. Putting an age bracket into a certain stereotype of life. I like to play video games. Am I too old for that? Should we pass laws banning 'old' people from having fun?
Chris
Last edited by mrpayroll; 08-26-07 at 02:00 AM.
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Originally Posted by Brent_MN
mr. payroll, do you have a blog? i wanna read more about your raves.
and you work for disney right? do they need any accountants?
and you work for disney right? do they need any accountants?

No, I don't have a blog. The last rave I went to was in Downtown LA on July 14th, I got tired by 11:30 and went home. Armin van Buren played at that one. Seriously, I had just gotten back from my European vacation and was still a little tired.
I'm thinking of going to NOCTURNAL 2007 on Sept 29th. That's a big one. The capacity is 25,000 and Paul van Dyk, The Chemical Brothers & Carl Cox are the headliners there.
And for sure I'm going to this on New Years Eve:
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If you caught the end of Tiësto’s performance last Saturday, you already know this… Tiësto himself announced his return to Los Angeles on New Year’s Eve… at GIANT MAXIMUS!
Following up on last year’s ‘GIANT MAXIMUS’ with Sasha and John Digweed, Armin van Buuren, Ferry Corsten and Sander Kleinenberg, we’re rolling out an all-new line-up this New Year’s Eve… starting with Tiësto... and we'll be adding many more top names to this 3 Stage event!
SPECIAL OFFER FOR GIANT MEMBERS: As a perk for reading our emails each week, we’re extending an exclusive GIANT MAXIMUS Ticket offer to you: Save up to $30 on General Admission Tickets and $50 on VIP Tickets if you purchase them before September 1, 2007. Tickets are already discounted by $20 (GA) and $40 (VIP) and you’ll save an additional $10 per ticket by inserting the coupon code MAXIMUS at the bottom of the Groove Tickets Order Page before your online purchase.
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so anyways, back to HSM2. 
The only song I didn't like...at all...was the second one of the movie. "Fabulous." It was just uncatchy in all respects. Anyone know when this is out on the DVD?

The only song I didn't like...at all...was the second one of the movie. "Fabulous." It was just uncatchy in all respects. Anyone know when this is out on the DVD?
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Is HSM / HSM2 worth renting for someone who enjoys musicals, but isn't really a fan of teen movies? I remember seeing the HSM CD all over the place on the charts, but haven't gotten around to listening to it.
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ps. Chris, I don't want to sidetrack this thread, so let's agree to disagree. No hard feelings.
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ps. Chris, I don't want to sidetrack this thread, so let's agree to disagree. No hard feelings.







