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Old 04-26-07 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tygan
Yeah and in Purgatory, you can get shot by other people in Purgatory. Right - theory doesn't hold up. And the angels/gatherers of souls can be killed by people in Purgatory.

The more you think about it, the more holes there are in that theory.
Don't forget performing surgery to remove a tumor, giving birth, etc.

Not things you would expect souls in purgatory to be doing.
Old 04-26-07 | 03:16 PM
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Reminds me of the alternate reality from the old Star Trek tv series where there was the evil Spock with his goatee.

One reality is the plane crashing in the real world and the other reality is the plane crashing on the island.

Then again, who the hell knows!
Old 04-26-07 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
If it is purgatory, wouldn't that make the "extended" experiences like the online games and whatnot noncanon? Many of those official websites report the plane as missing but never found.
But that was ~30 days ago Lost-time.
Old 04-26-07 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Palaver
I think it is entirely possible that Patchy didn't die as we originally thought. I don't remember the exact details of his death, but I seem to recall that he had blood coming out of his ears. That might have just been some eardrum damage from the sonic fence. Did they actually check his pulse? I don't remember.

Did it seem like he was hard of hearing in episode? He didn't seem to respond to Jin coming after him yelling about the phone.
I was thinking something along those lines. He also held his hand up to his ear and said "What?" when Charlie was talking to him. At the time I thought he was trying to be cute, but in retrospect maybe he really couldn't hear him.
Old 04-26-07 | 03:55 PM
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Really, honestly...attaching rules to a Purgatory scenario? Come on, if they want to have surgery, it can be passed off as one of the steps towards salvation or the like. If they want to explain shooting other people, you can call it a "soul struggling against passing on." The rules go out the window...kind of like a train station with no exit (Matrix). I was simply pointing out that Purgatory is back on the table.
Old 04-26-07 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
Umm...did no one else here pick up on the fact that Jin's father is probably NOT Jin's father? That means there's a pretty good chance we've SEEN Jin's father in another episode.

Could it be
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the Asian guy from the Dharma instructional films?!
Spoiler:
He'd be a more appealing option than Mr. Paik. EEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Old 04-26-07 | 04:13 PM
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It's funny. I really felt that this episode should really put an end to the purgatory theories for good. Mostly because, if they were in purgatory, then the writers wouldn't give such a huge clue pointing to it at this point in the series. Where else do they go from here? How do you write for dead characters when the viewers know they are dead? It takes away much of the gravity of what is happening. "Oh! It doesn't matter if they get shot. It just means they're going to heaven."

It just smells too much like a red herring.
Old 04-26-07 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Well they know for a fact that she hooked up with Sawyer, video footage and all, so maybe just a pregnancy test or signs of being pregnant. Especially if they said the sperm is twice as potent on the island. Signs point to probably.
Actually, it's 5x as potent - making it Supersperm!
Old 04-26-07 | 04:37 PM
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I still maintain the writers are laughing their asses off at the moment, knowing that that one line was going to get all the purgatory theorists out of hiding again, when they are really planning a complete 180.
Old 04-26-07 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
No, all we saw was his body hitting the hood of a car. It was assumed what happened to him.
According to the podcast, it was suicide.

Here:
Lostpedia link

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Old 04-26-07 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by guywall
According to the podcast, it was suicide.

Here:
Lostpedia link
Which I said about 2-3 pages ago
Old 04-26-07 | 05:20 PM
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Don't Kate and Sawyer know that the Others set them up to have sex in the cage? That could be considered attempted murder on Kate. She's gonna be pissed!
Old 04-26-07 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jmanlakerfan
Don't Kate and Sawyer know that the Others set them up to have sex in the cage? That could be considered attempted murder on Kate. She's gonna be pissed!
If that's indeed what they did, it's not attempted murder. It's another case for Juliet to try and find a cure for this thing.
Old 04-26-07 | 10:05 PM
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I just rewatched the scene where Juliet leaves Ben a message. To make sure I heard what I thought she said, and she says:

"...I'm still working on getting samples from the other women. I should have Austin's soon. I'll report back when I know more."

So, she's not after just Kate, she's looking at all of the women.
Old 04-26-07 | 10:23 PM
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If that's indeed what they did, it's not attempted murder. It's another case for Juliet to try and find a cure for this thing.
There are places that hold trying to give somebody AIDS can be considered attempted murder (given, usually by statute). If we consider that attempted murder, it seems this would fall right in with that logic.
Old 04-26-07 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
Umm...did no one else here pick up on the fact that Jin's father is probably NOT Jin's father? That means there's a pretty good chance we've SEEN Jin's father in another episode.

Could it be
Spoiler:
the Asian guy from the Dharma instructional films?!
Better yet:
Spoiler:
Sun's father


Edit: big train beat me to it.

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Old 04-26-07 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kenny79
Better yet:

Spoiler:
Better still:
Spoiler:
Mr. Hanso?!?!?!

Or:
Spoiler:
Hattori Hanso the sword maker?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Old 04-27-07 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jmanlakerfan
Don't Kate and Sawyer know that the Others set them up to have sex in the cage? That could be considered attempted murder on Kate. She's gonna be pissed!
They were locked in separate cages though. Kate's the one that escaped and climbed into Sawyer's crib.
Old 04-27-07 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
They were locked in separate cages though. Kate's the one that escaped and climbed into Sawyer's crib.

AND didn't Ben make a comment something like 'that was unexpected' or something like that when he walked up behind Jack while he was viewing it?
Old 04-27-07 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Therecanbonly1
AND didn't Ben make a comment something like 'that was unexpected' or something like that when he walked up behind Jack while he was viewing it?
Yeah, but I think that was more a snide comment, kind of like, "Gee, how ever did that happen???"
Old 04-27-07 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by aktick
Yeah, but I think that was more a snide comment, kind of like, "Gee, how ever did that happen???"
I thought the snideness was more for Jack's benefit; but that he had been suprised by it (Didn't he see them together prior to Jack witnessing it?)
Old 04-27-07 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Therecanbonly1
I thought the snideness was more for Jack's benefit; but that he had been suprised by it (Didn't he see them together prior to Jack witnessing it?)
Wasn't it all a setup though? IIRC, Jack woke up or something and the door to his "cell" was open...he went out, wandering around, and just happened to come across a surveillance room where Kate and Sawyer could be seen together, and this is ultimately what pushed Jack over the edge to do the surgery for Ben. I think.
Old 04-27-07 | 09:31 AM
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Wasn't it all a setup though? IIRC, Jack woke up or something and the door to his "cell" was open...he went out, wandering around, and just happened to come across a surveillance room where Kate and Sawyer could be seen together, and this is ultimately what pushed Jack over the edge to do the surgery for Ben. I think.
That's how I remember it. He set it up to manipulate Jack.
Old 04-27-07 | 10:04 AM
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Just to clear up the debate:

They're NOT in purgatory and they're NOT dead. Why am I sure? Because Damon Lindelof says so!

See link:
http://www.tubewad.com/despite-what-...rs-1466-p.html
Old 04-27-07 | 10:21 AM
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