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Originally Posted by mdc3000
I thought they said a few weeks back that the reason the pregnant women died is because in essence, the island IS TRYING to heal them and that it thinks the BABY IS A DISEASE. So it turns the body against itself to get 'rid' of the baby/disease and that's why the pregnant women die...but it's a process that BEGINS AT CONCEPTION, which is why if you conceive off the island like Claire, you can be fine with medication - but if you're like Sun, the wheels have already been set in motion.
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Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth
I wouldn't be surprised if it was purgatory. Every single backstory of the characters show that they are not really "good" people.
Jack and Locke seem good to me.... I first thought they might be clones after watching Par Avion, when Kate asked Patchy what was going on and he said she wouldnt understand because she is "flawed", but someone quickly dismissed that idea saying the writers stated there will never be mentions of clones on Lost. This would expain Roses cancer and Locke being able to walk again, etc. |
Good episode. It was actually a pretty touching moment when Sun found out it was Jin's baby.
Hurley's reaction was great. 'What?' Can't wait for the final 3 episodes. Although I do wonder if we are going to find out that Jack has been an Other all along. Remember, he was out in the jungle while everyone else was on the beach. He's also a doctor, and all of the Others seem to be into medicine and doctors and such. Interesting. |
Originally Posted by SuperBatMan
Can't wait for the final 3 episodes. Although I do wonder if we are going to find out that Jack has been an Other all along. Remember, he was out in the jungle while everyone else was on the beach. He's also a doctor, and all of the Others seem to be into medicine and doctors and such. Interesting.
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Originally Posted by SuperBatMan
I do wonder if we are going to find out that Jack has been an Other all along. Remember, he was out in the jungle while everyone else was on the beach. He's also a doctor, and all of the Others seem to be into medicine and doctors and such. Interesting.
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Awesome episode!
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Originally Posted by RoyalTea
He was also at the airport and on the plane.
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Purgatory is debunked by the fact that Ethan and left the island to get Juliette. Juliette was brought to the island by Ethan.
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Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth
I wouldn't be surprised if it was purgatory. Every single backstory of the characters show that they are not really "good" people.
from wiki: according to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, is the process by which, in the words of the Catechism: "All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the bliss of heaven. |
Originally Posted by JZ1276
Jack and Locke seem good to me....
His dad then performs the surgery drunk, Jack gets him disbarred for that and then he goes to Australia on a hellacious bender and dies of a heart attack. So Jack clearly has less than a clean slate. Locke is a little harder to pin down as having anything "bad". He was just gullible with helping his dad, getting sucked into the pot growing cult etc. |
Cool episode. Elizabeth Mitchell is an awesome actress. By the way, my view is that they are doing a double reverse on us here. They make us think she is good, then make us think she is a spy, and then they will reveal that she is good and will help the Losties. The " I hate you" comment was the start of that process.
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I know that the purgatory idea has been denied time and time again by the creators, but they've said all along they've had a plan for the whole arc of the show since the beginning. So if it was purgatory from the outset, it wouldn't be insulting or shocking to me if they did deny it. If people guessed it from the beginning and they never acknowledged it, all it would do is fuel the idea that it's true. Faith has been a huge piece of this puzzle since the first episode and I'll be shocked if it doesn't tie in somehow to the endgame of the series.
Now, I still don't think that's what is going on here, but I can't outright say it's not. |
I just have to say, if this Island ends up being an Island of clones, I'm going to be super pissed...I would think after the release of the movie THE ISLAND, if that was the plan, they would have changed it somehow.
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Purgatory seeming more and more likely. With the Others acting as "angels" or "gatherers" of souls. They only claim the innocent (children) and those who are ready (through death maybe?). If I remember correctly, the producers debunked this in the first week b/c that was the popular opinion. If the general public guessed my "big surprise" in week one, I'd be lying my a$$ off too.
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Yeah and in Purgatory, you can get shot by other people in Purgatory. Right - theory doesn't hold up. And the angels/gatherers of souls can be killed by people in Purgatory.
The more you think about it, the more holes there are in that theory. |
Umm...did no one else here pick up on the fact that Jin's father is probably NOT Jin's father? That means there's a pretty good chance we've SEEN Jin's father in another episode.
Could it be Spoiler:
Also, from next week's previews, I take it that: Spoiler:
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Originally Posted by mdc3000
I thought they said a few weeks back that the reason the pregnant women died is because in essence, the island IS TRYING to heal them and that it thinks the BABY IS A DISEASE. So it turns the body against itself to get 'rid' of the baby/disease and that's why the pregnant women die...but it's a process that BEGINS AT CONCEPTION, which is why if you conceive off the island like Claire, you can be fine with medication - but if you're like Sun, the wheels have already been set in motion. They may have but since Sun was not an original member of the others I really doubt that the island is going to affect her pregnacy the same way as it does the others. Ben is not healed etc... |
Originally Posted by Tygan
Yeah and in Purgatory, you can get shot by other people in Purgatory. Right - theory doesn't hold up. And the angels/gatherers of souls can be killed by people in Purgatory.
The more you think about it, the more holes there are in that theory. Spoiler:
Again, if I had to bet I would bet against purgatory. But I think there's too many coincidences to conclusively bet against it. |
I think people think too hard. I think it's much simpler. It's on the surface, not in some deep layers you need to sort through. The island is some sort of secret research facility run by a very powerful organization (possibly government). They have been experimenting in a lot of different areas, including the paranormal (see "The Men Who Stare at Goats").
I think we'll just end up seeing how deep the conspiracy goes as time goes on. I wouldn't doubt that the last few episodes of the series actually take place off the island. |
Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Jack accused his father of having an affair with his wife, beat him up in an AA meeting which in turn drove him to drink again when he had been sober for a few months.
His dad then performs the surgery drunk, Jack gets him disbarred for that and then he goes to Australia on a hellacious bender and dies of a heart attack. So Jack clearly has less than a clean slate. Locke is a little harder to pin down as having anything "bad". He was just gullible with helping his dad, getting sucked into the pot growing cult etc. None of that is Jacks fault though, Ok attacking his dad maybe... but if he really thought that his dad had an affair he is justified in my opinion, turning his dad in was the right thing to do, I would have done the same, his dad getting drunk and dying after that is not his fault. If you think that you have never been around an alcoholic. |
I saw this on another site which seems interesting:
"I fully expected Juliet to contradict herself when she returned to the medical hatch to leave her taped message for Ben. But she didn't -- unless, that is, she's also lying to Ben. (Let me spin this out a bit -- if Juliet knows that Sun's baby was conceived off island she knows that baby and mother will likely survive. Now, if she tells Ben that the baby was conceived on island he will assume that Juliet has finally cracked the island's fertility problems and, as promised, release her from her duty there." |
Originally Posted by d2cheer
None of that is Jacks fault though, Ok attacking his dad maybe... but if he really thought that his dad had an affair he is justified in my opinion, turning his dad in was the right thing to do, I would have done the same, his dad getting drunk and dying after that is not his fault. If you think that you have never been around an alcoholic.
His dad was sober before that, so he helped push him off the wagon. Would he have fallen off anyway? Maybe, maybe not. But at any rate, given this purgatory discussion that started this, sins are the key point. "Honor thy parents" is one of the 10 commandments, and beating the crap out of your dad for no good reason certainly goes against that. ;) The other stuff, I agree he should have turned him in etc., but that doesn't change the fact that he started that chain of events. |
I think she's just blowing smoke up the Losties' collective butts.
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If it is purgatory, wouldn't that make the "extended" experiences like the online games and whatnot noncanon? Many of those official websites report the plane as missing but never found.
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To me the "clones" thing is always a weak out of any plot dilemma.
It reminds me of the endless debating about Palpatine/Sidious in regards to the prequel trilogy. |
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