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Michael Corvin 04-26-07 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Good flash back for once, and a couple great WTF? moments with Mikhail coming back from the dead and the reveal at the end.

Jin & Sun never fail to deliver. I think I could watch an entire show about them. :lol:

All signs point to staging the crash, but if they didn't that leaves: purgatory, clones or the parallel dimension theories on the table. Personally I prefer the dimensional shift idea, but clones is seeming more likely. First you have dead folks roaming the island (Mikael, Jack's dad, Dave, etc.) and second I think a BIG clue is women on the island not being able to give birth. It just seems that the Others are ALL clones(except for Juliet who was brought in to help) trying to figure out how to procreate successfully to further their own existence. Third Ben was "born" on the island. Surely Dharma hasn't been there for 40 years. Fourth, everyone ignores the brainwash room that Alex's boyfriend was in. This could be their method of implanting false memories.


Originally Posted by cracksky
Maybe the magic 'box' really can create something as big as a sub or a plane.

I didn't buy that there was actually a 'magic box'. Did anyone else? I assumed it was an easy way to mess with Locke (they had their research station that found out about all the survivors) since Locke already believes in the fantastical properties of the island to get him to do what they wanted. In this case nuke the sub. They likely just sent someone off island to nab him. Is there another instance where they have used this 'magic box?'



Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Anyone else notice that while Juliet was leaving the message for Ben, she alluded to the fact that Kate might be pregnant too?

Well they know for a fact that she hooked up with Sawyer, video footage and all, so maybe just a pregnancy test or signs of being pregnant. Especially if they said the sperm is twice as potent on the island. Signs point to probably.

I'm not sure what to make of parachute girl. Hope wants it to be someone sent from Penny, but an Other parachuting in is just as likely. Especially since the sub was destroyed as well as their communications tower(not to mention the Swan implosion). Seems more likely actually, that someone would be checking in on the operation since things are starting to go south for them and they no longer 'appear' to have communication with to the outside world.

Snowmaker 04-26-07 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Groucho
This is the second episode in a row where a character we've seen "die" comes back.

Who came back last week?

Michael Corvin 04-26-07 07:19 AM

Nikki came back but she wasn't dead... and that was a few weeks back.

Chooch 04-26-07 07:19 AM

Who said McPatchy was dead? Maybe the others faked that too. Hell, if they can make Claire sick by remote and fake a plane crash, maybe they can make blood spurt out of his ears. I bet we find that that "fence" is only there to keep smokey out, not people.

DVD Josh 04-26-07 07:20 AM

Just a rumor, but apparently the producers cut out a scene which revealed the fate of Jae:

Spoiler:
He apparently jumps out the window, not pushed out of it

Gasspasser 04-26-07 07:25 AM

If it is purgatory how would Ben be able to let people leave the island?

DVD Josh 04-26-07 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by Gasspasser
If it is purgatory how would Ben be able to let people leave the island?

"Leaving the island" means escaping purgatory, so you would go to heaven (or whereever).

Doesn't matter as they are not in purgatory

Doug Heffernan 04-26-07 07:51 AM

Can we please start referring to Parachute GIrl by her real name - "Nessa!"
Another mystery of Las Vegas is solved!

Michael Corvin 04-26-07 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Just a rumor, but apparently the producers cut out a scene which revealed the fate of Jae:

Spoiler:
He apparently jumps out the window, not pushed out of it

who?

Autumn 04-26-07 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
who?

The guy Sun slept with in the flashbacks.

phattyphat69 04-26-07 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
who?

Egghead guy that Sun cheated with.

Red Dog 04-26-07 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by boogieman03
Assuming the new girl is right and they are all dead, I'm bringing back the theory that this is some sort of purgatory.


I will be so pissed off if that is the case.

Red Dog 04-26-07 08:00 AM

I like the fake crash theory too. :thumbsup:

Groucho 04-26-07 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker
Who came back last week?

Charlie had a "gotcha" death last week. Or was it the week before?

Snowmaker 04-26-07 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Just a rumor, but apparently the producers cut out a scene which revealed the fate of Jae:

Spoiler:
He apparently jumps out the window, not pushed out of it

I thought we already knew that.

RichC2 04-26-07 08:11 AM

Was last week. And afaik the Russian guy is the only one to "come back", Nikki was just paralyzed.

boogieman03 04-26-07 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Doug Heffernan
Can we please start referring to Parachute GIrl by her real name - "Nessa!"
Another mystery of Las Vegas is solved!

That was Nessa? Really?

DVD Josh 04-26-07 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker
I thought we already knew that.

No, all we saw was his body hitting the hood of a car. It was assumed what happened to him.

cracksky 04-26-07 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by headrippa
I'm thinking drop-in girl is the Russians replacement. The photo of Desmond would be coz he's probably the button pusher still, or the only one the 'mainland' people know of on the island.

Maybe one of the things Newgirl says is: What did one snowman say to the other? Desmond's replacement. Longshot I know. Mikhael might be a form of the Smoke Monster.

boogieman03 04-26-07 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
That's the one theory the producers have long said is bunk, along with time travel and "another planet". So it's not purgatory. I still think clones.

Yea, yea, I remember reading that article in EW where they debunked a bunch of the theories. If I had to pick one, it's my choice for a far out theory. The producers have lied to us before, so I wouldn't put it past them to do it again. Still, I think there is probably an easier explanation for "Nessa's" line about them being dead and I would be it's because she's lying.

I don't see why the others would need to create a "fake report/crash" to keep people from coming to their island. You couldn't find the island until the hatch imploded (remember the scene in that monitoring station at the end of last season). So why the need to keep people away?

Palaver 04-26-07 08:59 AM

I think it is entirely possible that Patchy didn't die as we originally thought. I don't remember the exact details of his death, but I seem to recall that he had blood coming out of his ears. That might have just been some eardrum damage from the sonic fence. Did they actually check his pulse? I don't remember.

Did it seem like he was hard of hearing in episode? He didn't seem to respond to Jin coming after him yelling about the phone.

RoyalTea 04-26-07 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Palaver
I think it is entirely possible that Patchy didn't die as we originally thought.

really?

Palaver 04-26-07 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by RoyalTea
really?

I'm just trying to say, I don't think he is a clone/twin or Smokey in disguise. Or the Island brought him back to life, etc.

mdc3000 04-26-07 09:27 AM

I thought McPatchy was still alive, only for the sole reason that they did not check his pulse and Locke didn't break his neck or something...I was shouting during that episode weeks ago to "make sure that motherfucker is dead", which of course, they didn't do.


Originally Posted by IDrinkMolson
Mikhail and Juliet mention the island healing people. About a day and a half for the punctured lung. But of course it opens more questions, which is good. Why doesn't the island heal the pregnant woman.

I thought they said a few weeks back that the reason the pregnant women died is because in essence, the island IS TRYING to heal them and that it thinks the BABY IS A DISEASE. So it turns the body against itself to get 'rid' of the baby/disease and that's why the pregnant women die...but it's a process that BEGINS AT CONCEPTION, which is why if you conceive off the island like Claire, you can be fine with medication - but if you're like Sun, the wheels have already been set in motion.

nodeerforamonth 04-26-07 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by Ranger
Ugh. I hope they don't go that route but it's possible considering how often religion comes into the show. Still, there's so much on the island to not be purgatory land.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was purgatory. Every single backstory of the characters show that they are not really "good" people.


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